[Serie A] JUVENTUS 1-0 Roma [December 22nd, 2018] (1 Viewer)

[Snobist]

Kudos to you. This is actually pretty funny.

:love:

 

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[Post Ironic]

Facts are facts. We scored 1 goal. And that doesnt look destroyable score. However 1-0 vs Roma and 1-0 vs Inter was very different performance.

Yes they are. And the only ones that matter are right here for you:

1st place in league 49/51 points.

1st place in CL group.

All else is fluff right now.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I don't know about that. Was it an incorrect call?

Well the player gave the ball away, a turn over in possession that lead to the 2nd goal. Absurd and hugely flattering result for Roma. There wasn't even a foul on Olsen for the first disallowed goal

 

[Mike-e-y]

That ref was an absolute joke. His decisions throughout... even on re watch that VAR call was terrible.

Also why did the goal we scored with Chiellini not warrant a VAR intervention? No one even touched their keeper we just stood our ground

 

[Alen]

I don't know about that. Was it an incorrect call?

There was a similar situation before. Nzonzi fouls Dybala for what would have been his second yellow. Instead of simply falling, Dybala decided to make a pass to Ronaldo, who made a shot. The ref gave an advantage. Var wasn't used, but if it was and if the ref followed the same criteria he followed for Costa's disallowed goal, it was gonna be a red card for Nzonzi. Imo, it was correct not to use VAR since advantage was given.
It was the same here. If Matuidi won the ball and made the pass after making the foul (like Lichtsteiner did once in the past when we had a goal disallowed) then sure, use VAR and disallow the goal. But here the Roma player didn't fall and decided to go for an attacking pass (with his left foot, while being fouled on his right). He even continued running after the foul and before the pass. Advantage was clearly given and if the pass was successful, it might have been a goal for Roma.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

There was a similar situation before. Nzonzi fouls Dybala for what would have been his second yellow. Instead of simply falling, Dybala decided to make a pass to Ronaldo, who made a shot. The ref gave an advantage. Var wasn't used, but if it was and if the ref followed the same criteria he followed for Costa's disallowed goal, it was gonna be a red card for Nzonzi. Imo, it was correct not to use VAR since advantage was given.
It was the same here. If Matuidi won the ball and made the pass after making the foul (like Lichtsteiner did once in the past when we had a goal disallowed) then sure, use VAR and disallow the goal. But here the Roma player didn't fall and decided to go for an attacking pass (with his left foot, while being fouled on his right). He even continued running after the foul and before the pass. Advantage was clearly given and if the pass was successful, it might have been a goal for Roma.

Agreed. You know the first time to officiating any sport - Don't reward the team/player for bad skill. The 'foul' by matuidi did not cause the turn over in possession whilst it should also be deemed as a different phase of the play which should not have been considered by VAR

 

[juve103423]

Yes they are. And the only ones that matter are right here for you:

1st place in league 49/51 points.

1st place in CL group.

All else is fluff right now.

If that's the case for you, can you then please leave and come back to discuss facts at the end of the season?

 

[Post Ironic]

If that's the case for you, can you then please leave and come back to discuss facts at the end of the season?

lol

I'd imagine about 95% of the forum would truly be grateful if you would leave until the end of the season.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Well the player gave the ball away, a turn over in possession that lead to the 2nd goal. Absurd and hugely flattering result for Roma. There wasn't even a foul on Olsen for the first disallowed goal

There was a similar situation before. Nzonzi fouls Dybala for what would have been his second yellow. Instead of simply falling, Dybala decided to make a pass to Ronaldo, who made a shot. The ref gave an advantage. Var wasn't used, but if it was and if the ref followed the same criteria he followed for Costa's disallowed goal, it was gonna be a red card for Nzonzi. Imo, it was correct not to use VAR since advantage was given.
It was the same here. If Matuidi won the ball and made the pass after making the foul (like Lichtsteiner did once in the past when we had a goal disallowed) then sure, use VAR and disallow the goal. But here the Roma player didn't fall and decided to go for an attacking pass (with his left foot, while being fouled on his right). He even continued running after the foul and before the pass. Advantage was clearly given and if the pass was successful, it might have been a goal for Roma.

Hmm, I get what you guys are saying, and it's not wrong, but VAR in combination with the advantage rule is always going to be tricky. Ref makes a decision based on what he knows or thinks he saw. But in the end it turns out he missed something, so our goal gets disallowed. If we hadn't converted this chance, the foul wouldn't have been called. That's just how it is, I guess. Fair enough.

I really don't see this as a wrong call, just a confusing one.

 

[Post Ironic]

Hmm, I get what you guys are saying, and it's not wrong, but VAR in combination with the advantage rule is always going to be tricky. Ref makes a decision based on what he knows or thinks he saw. But in the end it turns out he missed something, so our goal gets disallowed. If we hadn't converted this chance, the foul wouldn't have been called. That's just how it is, I guess. Fair enough.

I really don't see this as a wrong call, just a confusing one.

It's a wrong call imo, because VAR is supposed to be used for major incidents only. A ref can't even use VAR on yellow card incidents, so why can he rewind the clock 30 seconds before a goal, and decide he didn't play a good enough advantage.

 

[Alen]

Only one close was the Licht decision last year.

I don't get how the ref can check little decisions like that, that have next to nothing to do with the goal. I thought VAR was supposed to be used for only major incidents. I know they can't check yellows with it, so why they heck can they check nonsense like this.

Today we were punished for a good pass and they were rewarded for a bad one. If Dybala's pass to Ronaldo wasn't successful, that was gonna be a foul, free kick for us from an excellent position and most probably a second yellow for Nzonzi. As a matter of fact, if the ref decided for an advantage in that position, he could have still given the deserved yellow to Nzonzi. Players given yellow for a foul after the advantage is given, is something we see frequently.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Normally don't complain about the ref, but that was a rubbish performance today.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Hmm, I get what you guys are saying, and it's not wrong, but VAR in combination with the advantage rule is always going to be tricky. Ref makes a decision based on what he knows or thinks he saw. But in the end it turns out he missed something, so our goal gets disallowed. If we hadn't converted this chance, the foul wouldn't have been called. That's just how it is, I guess. Fair enough.

I really don't see this as a wrong call, just a confusing one.

The thing that I think we should bare in mind here is that the foul was not in the same phase of play as the play the attacking play to the goal as the roma player had already misplaced his pass, yet we still had to construct the attack to score. Var is not meant to rewind and correct a previous phase of play.

 

[JuveMkd]

I loved this win even better. They got all the decisions and still couldn't do anything against us.

 

[Post Ironic]

Normally don't complain about the ref, but that was a rubbish performance today.

A couple guys on FIF complaining that the goal was only disallowed and Matuidi didn't get sent off for stomping Zaniolo's ankle. @Cerval

 

[Boksic]

So if one of our team gets clipped, carries on playing then misplaces a pass and the other team score, the goal will be revoked. Good to know.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

It's a wrong call imo, because VAR is supposed to be used for major incidents only. A ref can't even use VAR on yellow card incidents, so why can he rewind the clock 30 seconds before a goal, and decide he didn't play a good enough advantage.

I don't know. Isn't a goal considered a major incident?

As in, the goal happened, now let's look back & verify whether or not something incorrect happened?

 

[Post Ironic]

I don't know. Isn't a goal considered a major incident?

As in, the goal happened, now let's look back & verify whether or not something incorrect happened?

Then how far back do we rewind. If there had been no stoppages in play, do you comb over the last 5 minutes to determine if a foul had been made somewhere in there that might have changed the course of those 5 minutes?

 

[amir3323]

A couple guys on FIF complaining that the goal was only disallowed and Matuidi didn't get sent off for stomping Zaniolo's ankle. @Cerval

So they’re just not concerned about their own team’s performances anymore? They have no right to talk about about anyone else after their performance today.

 

[juve123]

So if one of our team gets clipped, carries on playing then misplaces a pass and the other team score, the goal will be revoked. Good to know.

It depends upon the referee interpretation