So you'd rather see Juve flop just for the sake of seeing Capello fail? Geez if anoy other team fan would read that they would be convinced that Juve fans are just glory hunters.
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How exactly would they be convinced that Juve fans are glory hunters? Because I want Capello to fail, I'm a glory hunter? Right.
And yes, I'd rather see Juve flop for the sake of seeing Capello fail. I already stated that you can only be a true fan if you like what your team represents. You should be able to identify with your team. Capello's creating a figthing, scumbag Juventus with lots of ****ed up personalities and idiotic tactics, but with no class whatsoever.
And yes, I'd rather see Juve flop for the sake of seeing Capello fail. I already stated that you can only be a true fan if you like what your team represents. You should be able to identify with your team. Capello's creating a figthing, scumbag Juventus with lots of ****ed up personalities and idiotic tactics, but with no class whatsoever.
Well yes cos they say we choose a winning team and are so used to winning that we have become spoilt. I've heard this argument shitloads of times unfortunately.
If you say being a true fan is by being what your team represents then you should be supporting Juve right now, cos from the past coaches we've had, Lippi was the only undefensive coach. We have always been associated to a hard-working province squad unlike Milan. That's what we are, not a classy all-out attack team.
You're being too biased against Capello.
If you say being a true fan is by being what your team represents then you should be supporting Juve right now, cos from the past coaches we've had, Lippi was the only undefensive coach. We have always been associated to a hard-working province squad unlike Milan. That's what we are, not a classy all-out attack team.
You're being too biased against Capello.
No I'm not. I'm afraid you misunderstood me there. We don't have to be an all-out attack team as far as I'm concerned, but we do have to act classy on and off the pitch. It would be nice if we were more attacking, but that's not the thing that bothers me most. We used to change players like Zlatan. They would become more mature at Juventus. That doesn't happen now Capello's here. He even wants another spoilt brat at Juve!
And let's take a closer look at our beloved coach:
In 2003 Capello states that he could never coach Juventus, because it would require him to change his lifestyle. He starts working at Juventus in the summer of 2004. A BLATANT LIAR.
At Roma he had some great successes with Cassano and Totti. The first thing he does at Juventus, is talking bad about Cassano and Totti.
A HYPOCRITE.
When coaching Juventus he couldn't help but finding himself in a tight spot. His ego was too big to share the dressing rooms with some other famous Italian. AN EGOTRIPPER.
That's not what I like to be associated with.
And let's take a closer look at our beloved coach:
In 2003 Capello states that he could never coach Juventus, because it would require him to change his lifestyle. He starts working at Juventus in the summer of 2004. A BLATANT LIAR.
At Roma he had some great successes with Cassano and Totti. The first thing he does at Juventus, is talking bad about Cassano and Totti.
A HYPOCRITE.
When coaching Juventus he couldn't help but finding himself in a tight spot. His ego was too big to share the dressing rooms with some other famous Italian. AN EGOTRIPPER.
That's not what I like to be associated with.
Might I add the following post is nothing personal, its strictly football talk.
You talk out of your arse. Your post is incosistent on further analysis and I will expose that right now.
In your opinion Capello is too negative, yet you talk about that as its a clear fact? One of the other Stu.
So we can win seire A with this negative attitude, but not the CL? Well **** me sideways. I thought teams playing a similar style to us were the victors on the last 2 champions leagues. Either way, your arguement is already bullsheisse as it doesnt make sense.
Yes.. we have had an inability to break down teams... three times? Liverpool and perhaps Palermo or Sampdoria. Yes.. Capello has some part to do with it but when youve won the most games in serie A (to collect the league title) not to mention won every CL group stage game bar 1... yes, we really have a big failure to break teams down.
Taking the lead and defending is stupid.. what crap. If it was so stupid, why is it employed by coaches all over the world for many years in football... and yet with this style of playing Porto won the CL. And pool. Defending after the goal was scored against Chelsea won them a place in the final. Again Stuart, poor effort arguements with crap for foundations.
And why shouldnt Capello be satified with 1-0... A match thats 7-0 or 1-0 still only brings in 3 points at the end of the day. The result is irrelavant in the scoreline as long as it favours us. We got burned once or twice by doing it because in football its never a 100%... but we have had more wins then losses when we sat back on our laurels. Explain that. You are a slamming a system that is bringing us lets say 20 wins and 2 losses.. WTF?
Wont argue against pool tactics.. Ive done it before and you still keep the same conclusion
Now on to transfers... you sound like a kid on christmas who got a black playstation 2 when he wanted a blue one.. you should be thrilled that Emerson and Viera came- as am I. Pizzaro is great, but how can one slam a coach who didnt choose to sign a player like Pizzaro in favour of a footballing giant like Viera?? If Moggi and Capello believed that Pizzaro was right for the team they would of signed him.. usually in club football managers and coaches tend to sign players they think will benefit the club the most. I would prefer the Moggi and Capello's combined Wisdom rather then yours to be honest, as im sure the rest of the Juventus fans would. Bar you. not to mention, take it from someone who reguarly watches the bundesliga.. Rosisky is a great player but is frail and incosistent- not something a top side needs... Hleb is a good attacker but he cannot tackle well- he would be a downgrade to blasi defensively.
No player on the team ' deserves ' to be played.. as the coach its his responsiblity and his wage earner to choose which one of the players he has plays.. he plays to get results, if he doesnt deliver, he gets fired. So pray tell, why would he block good results from happening? Surely, if in his vast experience of football, playing Del Piero would make the team win, then he will surely play him? And how is it being a man by giving into the demands of the media and fans? If anything youve got balls to defy them and play your own game- and still win the league title. If thats your definiton of a man.. well...
Now on to Cassano.... One can see here you are now firing non exsistant ammo at Capello here.. the transfer deal hasnt even been done yet, and yet you are already bashing him for giving away Mutu? Lets see what the hell happens. And can you blame Capello for wanting to work with players he has had sucess with? There is alot of money flying around football- sucess is everything. This isnt dinnertime when you can critize someone for constantly ordering Pizza with Salami and never varying with their food. Capello is being payed to create a winning team- and if its his opinion that Cassano will bring sucess, then my god- Could this be not taking a risk and getting a player whom has brought you sucess, and will probably bring it again? Whilst mutu is IMO not much of a risk given his talent, Capello is just signing a player which he thinks will make the perform better. He doesnt take risks.. so. I would like to see you be so adventourous when the outcome of Juventus FC lies on your desicions.
Now on a personal note.. Name calling against Capello and arguements like this (you know, the kind that look really deep but suck shite and have no real logic to back it up) really make you look immature. Just a tip.
You talk out of your arse. Your post is incosistent on further analysis and I will expose that right now.
In your opinion Capello is too negative, yet you talk about that as its a clear fact? One of the other Stu.
So we can win seire A with this negative attitude, but not the CL? Well **** me sideways. I thought teams playing a similar style to us were the victors on the last 2 champions leagues. Either way, your arguement is already bullsheisse as it doesnt make sense.
Yes.. we have had an inability to break down teams... three times? Liverpool and perhaps Palermo or Sampdoria. Yes.. Capello has some part to do with it but when youve won the most games in serie A (to collect the league title) not to mention won every CL group stage game bar 1... yes, we really have a big failure to break teams down.
Taking the lead and defending is stupid.. what crap. If it was so stupid, why is it employed by coaches all over the world for many years in football... and yet with this style of playing Porto won the CL. And pool. Defending after the goal was scored against Chelsea won them a place in the final. Again Stuart, poor effort arguements with crap for foundations.
And why shouldnt Capello be satified with 1-0... A match thats 7-0 or 1-0 still only brings in 3 points at the end of the day. The result is irrelavant in the scoreline as long as it favours us. We got burned once or twice by doing it because in football its never a 100%... but we have had more wins then losses when we sat back on our laurels. Explain that. You are a slamming a system that is bringing us lets say 20 wins and 2 losses.. WTF?
Wont argue against pool tactics.. Ive done it before and you still keep the same conclusion
Now on to transfers... you sound like a kid on christmas who got a black playstation 2 when he wanted a blue one.. you should be thrilled that Emerson and Viera came- as am I. Pizzaro is great, but how can one slam a coach who didnt choose to sign a player like Pizzaro in favour of a footballing giant like Viera?? If Moggi and Capello believed that Pizzaro was right for the team they would of signed him.. usually in club football managers and coaches tend to sign players they think will benefit the club the most. I would prefer the Moggi and Capello's combined Wisdom rather then yours to be honest, as im sure the rest of the Juventus fans would. Bar you. not to mention, take it from someone who reguarly watches the bundesliga.. Rosisky is a great player but is frail and incosistent- not something a top side needs... Hleb is a good attacker but he cannot tackle well- he would be a downgrade to blasi defensively.
No player on the team ' deserves ' to be played.. as the coach its his responsiblity and his wage earner to choose which one of the players he has plays.. he plays to get results, if he doesnt deliver, he gets fired. So pray tell, why would he block good results from happening? Surely, if in his vast experience of football, playing Del Piero would make the team win, then he will surely play him? And how is it being a man by giving into the demands of the media and fans? If anything youve got balls to defy them and play your own game- and still win the league title. If thats your definiton of a man.. well...
Now on to Cassano.... One can see here you are now firing non exsistant ammo at Capello here.. the transfer deal hasnt even been done yet, and yet you are already bashing him for giving away Mutu? Lets see what the hell happens. And can you blame Capello for wanting to work with players he has had sucess with? There is alot of money flying around football- sucess is everything. This isnt dinnertime when you can critize someone for constantly ordering Pizza with Salami and never varying with their food. Capello is being payed to create a winning team- and if its his opinion that Cassano will bring sucess, then my god- Could this be not taking a risk and getting a player whom has brought you sucess, and will probably bring it again? Whilst mutu is IMO not much of a risk given his talent, Capello is just signing a player which he thinks will make the perform better. He doesnt take risks.. so. I would like to see you be so adventourous when the outcome of Juventus FC lies on your desicions.
Now on a personal note.. Name calling against Capello and arguements like this (you know, the kind that look really deep but suck shite and have no real logic to back it up) really make you look immature. Just a tip.
Seven you are a cut above this usually:
People change.. we live in an age of no certaintitys. I used to say I would never get a playstation but I have not only a Ps but also a PS2. Not to mention he said that to be diplomatic- he was coaching roma FFS!
Capello has never talked bad about Cassano- perhaps Totti but this was at provocation when Totti gave him bad comments. No need to make up things
If he really had this problem, surely he would of had it with Totti.. or Cassano. Or any of the players he coached in his era with Milan...
You can make better arguements usually. Your standards have slipped.
People change.. we live in an age of no certaintitys. I used to say I would never get a playstation but I have not only a Ps but also a PS2. Not to mention he said that to be diplomatic- he was coaching roma FFS!
Capello has never talked bad about Cassano- perhaps Totti but this was at provocation when Totti gave him bad comments. No need to make up things
If he really had this problem, surely he would of had it with Totti.. or Cassano. Or any of the players he coached in his era with Milan...
You can make better arguements usually. Your standards have slipped.
So you would want Capello to tell everybody while he's still at Roma that he's moving to their hated rival, thus turning the fans against him and disrupting stability at the club? Albeit during a season in which they could win the Scudetto? Don't be an idiot Seven....not even Lippi would tell us something like that.
So would he offend some of his own players and put them in their place while still leading the club, once again right in the middle of a Scudetto season? Do you realize how retarded that would be Seven? Again, think this through for a little bit. You are making no sense at all.
That is simply biased speculation Seven, and it doesn't even make any sense. We don't know what goes on in Capello's head, and making all this crap up just to fuel your hate for his treatment of Del Piero is rather absurd. Another case of a fan getting pissed off and losing all objectivity in the process. You are such a drama queen when it comes to Del Piero, Seven.
So would he offend some of his own players and put them in their place while still leading the club, once again right in the middle of a Scudetto season? Do you realize how retarded that would be Seven? Again, think this through for a little bit. You are making no sense at all.
That is simply biased speculation Seven, and it doesn't even make any sense. We don't know what goes on in Capello's head, and making all this crap up just to fuel your hate for his treatment of Del Piero is rather absurd. Another case of a fan getting pissed off and losing all objectivity in the process. You are such a drama queen when it comes to Del Piero, Seven.
I'm sorry Dan, but I don't agree with all of this. Our management has continuously overlooked finding creative options for the midfield, something us football fans can easily point out as one of our weaknesses. Just because Capello thinks his way is right, doesn't mean we need to agree with him and certainly doesn't mean we cannot share our opinion on this matter.
I hate when managers of anything disregard a problem that is clear for the eye to see....the obvious case at Juventus being our lack of creativity. The problem has been addressed time and time again and we are not even sure if Capello or Moggi were even pondering helping us in this respective area. If you take a look at all the previous winners of the Champions League for quite some time you will see that every team has a playmaker or a very good distributor in midfield, and this is not just some mere coincidence I'm afraid. In the Champions League you need to combine a strong defense with an unpredictable attack, and the ability to surprise stems from creativity and imagination. Nedved was able to provide us some in 2003 when we lost the Final to Milan, however was that even enough?
The clear aspect of our game that is holding us back is our inability to change our pace of play and surprise the opponents....remedy? A natural playmaker or deep-lying playmaker who knows how to pass the ball. I think as supporters of this club we have the right to request a simple player that we all know could work wonders for our hopes and aspirations in the Champions League. I'm sorry, but Vieira and Emerson don't have much creativity and Camoranesi plays wing...that is not enough when we are faced with a difficult defense in front of us. We could have gotten Pizarro for 8 million plus Miccoli or Appiah yet we held off and are only interested in a player Capello loves, namely Cassano. Ahhh, did I mention a player we don't need, Cassano?
How about we fix the obvious problems instead of trying to buy another forward that we dont even friggin need. And what about Mutu? Is he not a capable player? I can see why many here are pissed about our management cuz I am too.
I hate when managers of anything disregard a problem that is clear for the eye to see....the obvious case at Juventus being our lack of creativity. The problem has been addressed time and time again and we are not even sure if Capello or Moggi were even pondering helping us in this respective area. If you take a look at all the previous winners of the Champions League for quite some time you will see that every team has a playmaker or a very good distributor in midfield, and this is not just some mere coincidence I'm afraid. In the Champions League you need to combine a strong defense with an unpredictable attack, and the ability to surprise stems from creativity and imagination. Nedved was able to provide us some in 2003 when we lost the Final to Milan, however was that even enough?
The clear aspect of our game that is holding us back is our inability to change our pace of play and surprise the opponents....remedy? A natural playmaker or deep-lying playmaker who knows how to pass the ball. I think as supporters of this club we have the right to request a simple player that we all know could work wonders for our hopes and aspirations in the Champions League. I'm sorry, but Vieira and Emerson don't have much creativity and Camoranesi plays wing...that is not enough when we are faced with a difficult defense in front of us. We could have gotten Pizarro for 8 million plus Miccoli or Appiah yet we held off and are only interested in a player Capello loves, namely Cassano. Ahhh, did I mention a player we don't need, Cassano?
How about we fix the obvious problems instead of trying to buy another forward that we dont even friggin need. And what about Mutu? Is he not a capable player? I can see why many here are pissed about our management cuz I am too.
Ok, let me address the points I disagree with- if I dont adress it I cant really say anything against it:
First let me actually agree with you that there is a correlation in the CL winners that they have playmakers (of some kind). However, this is still not a cert- A match of football is a match of football. We can still win the CL with the style we play now- its not impossible. On the contrary its a rather successful style of football.
Of course we need to share our views- but im saying to stu and now to you that we dont nessercarily need a playmaker to win the CL, as it is afterall just a series of matches which each individually need to be won, and our squad can do that.
We didnt get Pizzaro cos we got Viera.. who is better suited for the game Capello likes to play. In fairness, our midfield and defence is like a brick wall- but that comes at a cost, namely killing off our creativity as its extremely rare to find a player whom is creative and as good defensively as Viera or Emerson. So it was really either one or the other- and as well all know defence wins cups..
I can see why Capello wants Cassano. Its practical to the style we play- not to mention to win the CL you need 2 world class forwards- which is surely what Ibra and Cassano will be very soon. Since we only boot long bals to the forwards generally, Ibra and Trez are good for that. Cassano could easily add some flair to our attacking 3rd.
This problem doesnt really exist.. since Capello has choosen to go for the extreme on one side. Real madrid are the case of the other extreme. But the time where ultra attacking football won things is ending. (bar spain, where a good defence is unheard of) Not only that, but when chelsea introduced that style, they won by a massive margain and their first 11 is no better then Arsenal's or Manchesters. Chelsea's creativity comes from their wings however- it would be foolish to say that Duff and Robben arent creative players.
Lets see how things go this season. If we have a crappy season and get raped all over the place ill agree...
First let me actually agree with you that there is a correlation in the CL winners that they have playmakers (of some kind). However, this is still not a cert- A match of football is a match of football. We can still win the CL with the style we play now- its not impossible. On the contrary its a rather successful style of football.
Of course we need to share our views- but im saying to stu and now to you that we dont nessercarily need a playmaker to win the CL, as it is afterall just a series of matches which each individually need to be won, and our squad can do that.
We didnt get Pizzaro cos we got Viera.. who is better suited for the game Capello likes to play. In fairness, our midfield and defence is like a brick wall- but that comes at a cost, namely killing off our creativity as its extremely rare to find a player whom is creative and as good defensively as Viera or Emerson. So it was really either one or the other- and as well all know defence wins cups..
I can see why Capello wants Cassano. Its practical to the style we play- not to mention to win the CL you need 2 world class forwards- which is surely what Ibra and Cassano will be very soon. Since we only boot long bals to the forwards generally, Ibra and Trez are good for that. Cassano could easily add some flair to our attacking 3rd.
This problem doesnt really exist.. since Capello has choosen to go for the extreme on one side. Real madrid are the case of the other extreme. But the time where ultra attacking football won things is ending. (bar spain, where a good defence is unheard of) Not only that, but when chelsea introduced that style, they won by a massive margain and their first 11 is no better then Arsenal's or Manchesters. Chelsea's creativity comes from their wings however- it would be foolish to say that Duff and Robben arent creative players.
Lets see how things go this season. If we have a crappy season and get raped all over the place ill agree...
We could have brought in Vieira while still shopping for Pizarro or another playmaker, it's simple. Especially when we are seemingly going to buy Cassano, another player we don't even need. And what is Capello's fascination with defensive midfielders anyway?
Sure, we don't neccesarly need a playmaker to win the Champions League.....of course. However, a playmaker would certainly help our cause a great bit, giving us more options in midfield and more importantly better ideas with the ball. With our emphasis on defensive solidity a natural playmaker would add so much to our side going forward, much more than another forward or measley defensive midfielder. And hell, even if Capello would start Vieira instead of a Pizarro-like player we would still have him on the bench, available when neccesary to help us attack later on in a match we would eventually lose. It's not just about Pizarro vs. Vieira, it's also about having a capable bench with players who can make a difference. We have no players who can provide us with an extra spark or deft passing range.
We are indeed playing the defensive extreme however that does not mean we cannot have a creative midfielder controlling our attacks....just look at Mourinho's Porto with Deco at the helm. Chelsea has quite a few creative players with Joe Cole, Robben, and Lampard in midfield. Vastly more creative than our boys.
And you might want to check your facts about horrible defenses in Spain....remember Valencia and Depor?
Sure, we don't neccesarly need a playmaker to win the Champions League.....of course. However, a playmaker would certainly help our cause a great bit, giving us more options in midfield and more importantly better ideas with the ball. With our emphasis on defensive solidity a natural playmaker would add so much to our side going forward, much more than another forward or measley defensive midfielder. And hell, even if Capello would start Vieira instead of a Pizarro-like player we would still have him on the bench, available when neccesary to help us attack later on in a match we would eventually lose. It's not just about Pizarro vs. Vieira, it's also about having a capable bench with players who can make a difference. We have no players who can provide us with an extra spark or deft passing range.
We are indeed playing the defensive extreme however that does not mean we cannot have a creative midfielder controlling our attacks....just look at Mourinho's Porto with Deco at the helm. Chelsea has quite a few creative players with Joe Cole, Robben, and Lampard in midfield. Vastly more creative than our boys.
And you might want to check your facts about horrible defenses in Spain....remember Valencia and Depor?
++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
We could have brought in Vieira while still shopping for Pizarro or another playmaker, it's simple. Especially when we are seemingly going to buy Cassano, another player we don't even need. And what is Capello's fascination with defensive midfielders anyway?
Sure, we don't neccesarly need a playmaker to win the Champions League.....of course. However, a playmaker would certainly help our cause a great bit, giving us more options in midfield and more importantly better ideas with the ball. With our emphasis on defensive solidity a natural playmaker would add so much to our side going forward, much more than another forward or measley defensive midfielder. And hell, even if Capello would start Vieira instead of a Pizarro-like player we would still have him on the bench, available when neccesary to help us attack later on in a match we would eventually lose. It's not just about Pizarro vs. Vieira, it's also about having a capable bench with players who can make a difference. We have no players who can provide us with an extra spark or deft passing range.
We are indeed playing the defensive extreme however that does not mean we cannot have a creative midfielder controlling our attacks....just look at Mourinho's Porto with Deco at the helm. Chelsea has quite a few creative players with Joe Cole, Robben, and Lampard in midfield. Vastly more creative than our boys.
And you might want to check your facts about horrible defenses in Spain....remember Valencia and Depor?
We could have brought in Vieira while still shopping for Pizarro or another playmaker, it's simple. Especially when we are seemingly going to buy Cassano, another player we don't even need. And what is Capello's fascination with defensive midfielders anyway?
Sure, we don't neccesarly need a playmaker to win the Champions League.....of course. However, a playmaker would certainly help our cause a great bit, giving us more options in midfield and more importantly better ideas with the ball. With our emphasis on defensive solidity a natural playmaker would add so much to our side going forward, much more than another forward or measley defensive midfielder. And hell, even if Capello would start Vieira instead of a Pizarro-like player we would still have him on the bench, available when neccesary to help us attack later on in a match we would eventually lose. It's not just about Pizarro vs. Vieira, it's also about having a capable bench with players who can make a difference. We have no players who can provide us with an extra spark or deft passing range.
We are indeed playing the defensive extreme however that does not mean we cannot have a creative midfielder controlling our attacks....just look at Mourinho's Porto with Deco at the helm. Chelsea has quite a few creative players with Joe Cole, Robben, and Lampard in midfield. Vastly more creative than our boys.
And you might want to check your facts about horrible defenses in Spain....remember Valencia and Depor?
Anyway, lets pick this up again in the middle of the season. If we are having a problem then I suppose you are right in this instance.
Ah yes, but Valencia never had a really good defense to be fair.. not to mention out of the potential title takers this season in La Liga they were both out and out teams with Barca having more hunger.. and just generally being better anyway.
And depor? :wth: this could be my extreme mis intrepretation but I always had them pegged down as an attacking side! (bar last season cos they sucked balls)
First of all, it actually is Capello's team and not Del Piero's.
Secondly, could it possibly be that Del Piero has received the treatment from Capello that he should have been receving all those underperforming years under Lippi and Ancelotti. They didnt have the balls to bench Del Piero, but Cap does, and more often than not, regardless of what you want to believe, it was justified.
I just want to point out a couple of things,hopefully to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Capello has some fundamental and character flaws no coach should have.
Capello has an obvious bias against Del Piero,and he's a huge fan of Zlatan.That much is obvious;it may be an opinion of mine and not a fact, but the evidence is there and it's not at all an unfounded and unfair statement to make.Needless to say, a personal bias amongst your players is a fundamental flaw in any coach, especially in Capello's case where he makes it so plainly visible through his actions and decisions.
Now, I do not claim to be a coaching genius, but anyone can see that the team is suffering an imbalance at the moment in terms of depth.Already the forward department is overstaffed, and if (as many claim he will) Capello buys Cassano then he's obviously an idiot, more so if he spends an astronomical amount of funds.The element of bias does come again into play here, since Cassano is one of his proteges.
There are a hundred other examples that would prove my point but I don't want to go into the details here...I just hope I got the point across by taking note of the painstakingly obivous and not delving into the finer points of football management.
Capello has an obvious bias against Del Piero,and he's a huge fan of Zlatan.That much is obvious;it may be an opinion of mine and not a fact, but the evidence is there and it's not at all an unfounded and unfair statement to make.Needless to say, a personal bias amongst your players is a fundamental flaw in any coach, especially in Capello's case where he makes it so plainly visible through his actions and decisions.
Now, I do not claim to be a coaching genius, but anyone can see that the team is suffering an imbalance at the moment in terms of depth.Already the forward department is overstaffed, and if (as many claim he will) Capello buys Cassano then he's obviously an idiot, more so if he spends an astronomical amount of funds.The element of bias does come again into play here, since Cassano is one of his proteges.
There are a hundred other examples that would prove my point but I don't want to go into the details here...I just hope I got the point across by taking note of the painstakingly obivous and not delving into the finer points of football management.
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Thats true. Its all a given what you are saying, but it isnt really a problem per se, just something that would be nice to watch better football. If I was honest with you, I would rather have Pizzaro then Cassano.. then again I would of rather had Viera then Pizzaro.. but we will see what the whole game plan is. Perhaps we sign Rosikcy and Mancini.. then you would be sorry
Anyway, lets pick this up again in the middle of the season. If we are having a problem then I suppose you are right in this instance.
Ah yes, but Valencia never had a really good defense to be fair.. not to mention out of the potential title takers this season in La Liga they were both out and out teams with Barca having more hunger.. and just generally being better anyway.
And depor? :wth: this could be my extreme mis intrepretation but I always had them pegged down as an attacking side! (bar last season cos they sucked balls)
Thats true. Its all a given what you are saying, but it isnt really a problem per se, just something that would be nice to watch better football. If I was honest with you, I would rather have Pizzaro then Cassano.. then again I would of rather had Viera then Pizzaro.. but we will see what the whole game plan is. Perhaps we sign Rosikcy and Mancini.. then you would be sorry
Anyway, lets pick this up again in the middle of the season. If we are having a problem then I suppose you are right in this instance.
Ah yes, but Valencia never had a really good defense to be fair.. not to mention out of the potential title takers this season in La Liga they were both out and out teams with Barca having more hunger.. and just generally being better anyway.
And depor? :wth: this could be my extreme mis intrepretation but I always had them pegged down as an attacking side! (bar last season cos they sucked balls)
Valencia? They had a fantastic defense when Hector Cuper was at their helm, and also when Benitez won the UEFA Cup a few years ago. If I remember correctly Deportivo had one of the better defenses in 2004 when Porto won the CL, infact I think they had the best defense in the competition along with Porto. Everybody always says La Liga defenses are poor but that is not the case IMO.
