[Serie A] Bari 3-1 JUVENTUS (December 12th, 2009) (8 Viewers)
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That's called reality, hardly a nightmare 
@ Ahmed: I am not a pessimist; I have just had the fortune (or misfortune), whichever way you want to look at it judging by our performances this season, of watching almost all of Juve's games this season. I am just being conservative and realistic as regards expectations. Honestly, every game we go into is a lottery, because we lack identity, have no clear game plan, and sorely lack pace. This was cruelly exposed by both Bayern and Bordeaux in Europe. The fact that we manage to scrape by in Serie A owes much to the flawas and faults of our opponents than to our own merits. Serie A has declined drastically over the past few years that finishing in the top 3-4 positions should hardly pose a challenge for Juve anymore.
I believe that the only players performing consistently, the ones showing grit and determination, and the only ones worthy of donning a Juve shirt at present are Buffon, Chiellini, and Marchisio. All the other players have been dismal and disappointing, showing no heart and conviction whatsoever in their performances and displays.
I say we revert to the 4-2-3-1 for the game against Bari. Giovinco and Camo have to play and support Diego. We have to give a chance for this formation to work, because it is the only one which allows us to fully utilize the pacey players at our disposal.
@ Ahmed: I am not a pessimist; I have just had the fortune (or misfortune), whichever way you want to look at it judging by our performances this season, of watching almost all of Juve's games this season. I am just being conservative and realistic as regards expectations. Honestly, every game we go into is a lottery, because we lack identity, have no clear game plan, and sorely lack pace. This was cruelly exposed by both Bayern and Bordeaux in Europe. The fact that we manage to scrape by in Serie A owes much to the flawas and faults of our opponents than to our own merits. Serie A has declined drastically over the past few years that finishing in the top 3-4 positions should hardly pose a challenge for Juve anymore.
I believe that the only players performing consistently, the ones showing grit and determination, and the only ones worthy of donning a Juve shirt at present are Buffon, Chiellini, and Marchisio. All the other players have been dismal and disappointing, showing no heart and conviction whatsoever in their performances and displays.
I say we revert to the 4-2-3-1 for the game against Bari. Giovinco and Camo have to play and support Diego. We have to give a chance for this formation to work, because it is the only one which allows us to fully utilize the pacey players at our disposal.
I would try it with Giovinco in DP`s place, it would not be that far from the 4-2-3-1 (since Gio plays very much on the left and with Camo attacking from the right as he always does no matter where he plays) that everybody here seems to love. But now that I started thinking (not one of my strenghts) it could possibly look more like 4-3-2-1, but there`s nothing wrong with that.
I also wouldn`t mind to see Tiago play against Bari, he can`t really make our game look much worse than it already is...
hey Rip Van Winkle, how has your 4 month nap been ??
I couldnt have said it better myself
its plain and simple, we lack a gameplan and an identity
sure there is... WE SUCK !!!! :frown:
That's called reality, hardly a nightmare
@ Ahmed: I am not a pessimist; I have just had the fortune (or misfortune), whichever way you want to look at it judging by our performances this season, of watching almost all of Juve's games this season. I am just being conservative and realistic as regards expectations. Honestly, every game we go into is a lottery, because we lack identity, have no clear game plan, and sorely lack pace. This was cruelly exposed by both Bayern and Bordeaux in Europe. The fact that we manage to scrape by in Serie A owes much to the flawas and faults of our opponents than to our own merits. Serie A has declined drastically over the past few years that finishing in the top 3-4 positions should hardly pose a challenge for Juve anymore.
I believe that the only players performing consistently, the ones showing grit and determination, and the only ones worthy of donning a Juve shirt at present are Buffon, Chiellini, and Marchisio. All the other players have been dismal and disappointing, showing no heart and conviction whatsoever in their performances and displays.
I say we revert to the 4-2-3-1 for the game against Bari. Giovinco and Camo have to play and support Diego. We have to give a chance for this formation to work, because it is the only one which allows us to fully utilize the pacey players at our disposal.
@ Ahmed: I am not a pessimist; I have just had the fortune (or misfortune), whichever way you want to look at it judging by our performances this season, of watching almost all of Juve's games this season. I am just being conservative and realistic as regards expectations. Honestly, every game we go into is a lottery, because we lack identity, have no clear game plan, and sorely lack pace. This was cruelly exposed by both Bayern and Bordeaux in Europe. The fact that we manage to scrape by in Serie A owes much to the flawas and faults of our opponents than to our own merits. Serie A has declined drastically over the past few years that finishing in the top 3-4 positions should hardly pose a challenge for Juve anymore.
I believe that the only players performing consistently, the ones showing grit and determination, and the only ones worthy of donning a Juve shirt at present are Buffon, Chiellini, and Marchisio. All the other players have been dismal and disappointing, showing no heart and conviction whatsoever in their performances and displays.
I say we revert to the 4-2-3-1 for the game against Bari. Giovinco and Camo have to play and support Diego. We have to give a chance for this formation to work, because it is the only one which allows us to fully utilize the pacey players at our disposal.
its plain and simple, we lack a gameplan and an identity
sure there is... WE SUCK !!!! :frown:
You can play Giovinco and Trezeguet up front supported by Diego. But we need two players up front not one.
Its basically the same players but organized in a different way. Its what this team was built to do.
We were never built in the transfer market to play 4-2-3-1. We have to stick with one formation so the player can learn their roles. Changing from one formation to another just destabilize the team and players especially during rough times.
If you want 4-2-3-1 to work you need all 3 Diego, Camo and Giovinco ready to play in every single. And we all know that is not possible. While 4-3-1-2 or a diamond 4-4-2 is what this team is built to do. We just need either Gio or DP to be fit to play the assistant striker and either Diego or Camo to play the OM. heck even DP or Gio can play the OM if needed. But DP cannot cover on the left midfield and the Right wing where camo players is exposed if he doesn't play there.
Shoving 4-2-3-1 every other game is killing the team, because it is just a fact. We cannot play with this as our main formation. Until we fix our main formation we should not do these stunts.
I'd rather continue to win 1-0 and 2-1 rather than winning 5-0 and loosing when it counts.
All the big teams STICK with one formation through 90% of the season or more. We're not even half way through the season and we have played with: 4-3-1-2, flat 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1, 4-3-2-1 and 4-2-2-2
Come on.. This is not healthy.
Its basically the same players but organized in a different way. Its what this team was built to do.
We were never built in the transfer market to play 4-2-3-1. We have to stick with one formation so the player can learn their roles. Changing from one formation to another just destabilize the team and players especially during rough times.
If you want 4-2-3-1 to work you need all 3 Diego, Camo and Giovinco ready to play in every single. And we all know that is not possible. While 4-3-1-2 or a diamond 4-4-2 is what this team is built to do. We just need either Gio or DP to be fit to play the assistant striker and either Diego or Camo to play the OM. heck even DP or Gio can play the OM if needed. But DP cannot cover on the left midfield and the Right wing where camo players is exposed if he doesn't play there.
Shoving 4-2-3-1 every other game is killing the team, because it is just a fact. We cannot play with this as our main formation. Until we fix our main formation we should not do these stunts.
I'd rather continue to win 1-0 and 2-1 rather than winning 5-0 and loosing when it counts.
All the big teams STICK with one formation through 90% of the season or more. We're not even half way through the season and we have played with: 4-3-1-2, flat 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1, 4-3-2-1 and 4-2-2-2
Come on.. This is not healthy.
