or just send him back to samp. he's been treating us as a samp level team anyway with signings like giaccherini, padoin and giovinco.
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[Serie A, 20th round] Fiorentina 2-1 JUVENTUS [15th January, 2017] (2 Viewers)
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I try 
I despise his cost.
Or in other words: There are smarter ways to spend such an amount.
I don't think he's a bad player though.
But he might just be the most overrated player on the entire forum.
Not really. But I do find it amusing how he's always the one being singled out.
Look at last night: for the life of me, I can't even come up with 3 players who performed better than him. But hey, Sturaro is clearly a limited player, so let's bitch about him anyway.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Pjanic either.
Spending over 120 million on 2 players is considered being cautious these days?
I despise his cost.
Or in other words: There are smarter ways to spend such an amount.
I don't think he's a bad player though.
But he might just be the most overrated player on the entire forum.
Not really. But I do find it amusing how he's always the one being singled out.
Look at last night: for the life of me, I can't even come up with 3 players who performed better than him. But hey, Sturaro is clearly a limited player, so let's bitch about him anyway.
did I miss something?
Spending over 120 million on 2 players is considered being cautious these days?
I wonder if Juve will ever accept the need to play long and miss out the midfield in certain games?
Fiorentina blocked up the midfield effectively. With little danger of Juve playing though the midfield and no sign of Juve playing long, Fiorentina were able to keep their defensive line high and keep the game almost entirely in Juve's half of the pitch and press Juve hard.
Juve failed to address this issue and kept playing the game Fiorentina wanted and kept playing short passes into midfield that just invited more and more pressure from Fiorentina.
Just the occasional long ball could have helped to force Fiorentina's defence back a bit and/or force Fiorentina's midfield to think about the space between them and the defence. Both those things would make it harder for Fiorentina to commit to such an intense press.
And then Juve might have been able to start playing the ball through midfield.
Fiorentina certainly didn't bother playing the though midfield much. Their first thought was mostly to go long to Kalinic and then squeeze players up behind him to compete for the lose ball (see first goal). It was tricky, windy conditions and so it was going to be hard for defenders to consistently judge the flight of the ball and make proper clearances and so Fiorentina made use of that and played a low-risk style that put Juve under considerable pressure.
This approach was more effective than it should have been due to Juve's defenders not dealing with Kalinic. Kalinic's movement was good, as it always is, and he showed a bit more aggression than he usually does, but he wasn't doing anything that should have allowed him to occupy three defenders in the way he did. Real lack of aggression from Juve's back three.
In years gone by it was understandable that Juve were very much wedded to the idea of always playing through midfield. I didn't necessarily think it was the right thing to do at times, but with the extraordinary midfield they had, that approach could be justified. Juve no longer have an exceptional midfield, but their approach to games hasn't really changed and that is causing problems.
Fiorentina blocked up the midfield effectively. With little danger of Juve playing though the midfield and no sign of Juve playing long, Fiorentina were able to keep their defensive line high and keep the game almost entirely in Juve's half of the pitch and press Juve hard.
Juve failed to address this issue and kept playing the game Fiorentina wanted and kept playing short passes into midfield that just invited more and more pressure from Fiorentina.
Just the occasional long ball could have helped to force Fiorentina's defence back a bit and/or force Fiorentina's midfield to think about the space between them and the defence. Both those things would make it harder for Fiorentina to commit to such an intense press.
And then Juve might have been able to start playing the ball through midfield.
Fiorentina certainly didn't bother playing the though midfield much. Their first thought was mostly to go long to Kalinic and then squeeze players up behind him to compete for the lose ball (see first goal). It was tricky, windy conditions and so it was going to be hard for defenders to consistently judge the flight of the ball and make proper clearances and so Fiorentina made use of that and played a low-risk style that put Juve under considerable pressure.
This approach was more effective than it should have been due to Juve's defenders not dealing with Kalinic. Kalinic's movement was good, as it always is, and he showed a bit more aggression than he usually does, but he wasn't doing anything that should have allowed him to occupy three defenders in the way he did. Real lack of aggression from Juve's back three.
In years gone by it was understandable that Juve were very much wedded to the idea of always playing through midfield. I didn't necessarily think it was the right thing to do at times, but with the extraordinary midfield they had, that approach could be justified. Juve no longer have an exceptional midfield, but their approach to games hasn't really changed and that is causing problems.
I try
I despise his cost.
Or in other words: There are smarter ways to spend such an amount.
I don't think he's a bad player though.
But he might just be the most overrated player on the entire forum.
Not really. But I do find it amusing how he's always the one being singled out.
Look at last night: for the life of me, I can't even come up with 3 players who performed better than him. But hey, Sturaro is clearly a limited player, so let's bitch about him anyway.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Pjanic either.
I despise his cost.
Or in other words: There are smarter ways to spend such an amount.
I don't think he's a bad player though.
But he might just be the most overrated player on the entire forum.
Not really. But I do find it amusing how he's always the one being singled out.
Look at last night: for the life of me, I can't even come up with 3 players who performed better than him. But hey, Sturaro is clearly a limited player, so let's bitch about him anyway.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Pjanic either.
IMO Pjanič is a similar situation to Pirlo in his last season with us, he has great overall quality that can contribute much needed goals and assists, but having him on the pitch also is a great disadvantage, because he doesn't put in much work
for not playing Pjanić from the start.
I actually missed your analyses.
In your opinion, what do you think should be our starting XI and in which formation?
Do you agree that a 4312 would work better than our current setup?
In your opinion, what do you think should be our starting XI and in which formation?
Do you agree that a 4312 would work better than our current setup?
Buffon
Licht - Bonucci - Rugani - Sandro
Khedira - Marchisio - Rincon/Lemina
Pjanic
Dybala - Higuain
Licht - Bonucci - Rugani - Sandro
Khedira - Marchisio - Rincon/Lemina
Pjanic
Dybala - Higuain
I don't like 4-3-1-2 as a general rule.
But broadly speaking Juve are missing a midfielder with energy and drive to give the balance that is needed with Marchisio and Khedira. Juve need to play Sturaro to give the energy to over the space, but that obviously comes at the cost of technique.
And if you don't have the energy or drive in midfield, you need the forwards to do more. Obviously Higuain and Dybala are good players, but they aren't the players to stretch a game and work a defence in the way that would help Juve's midfield just now. Mandzukic would try, but he isn't quick enough to really do it.
So those factors push me to feeling more has to come from Juve in wide areas. But only Alex Sandro can consistently give a lot from fullback.
So I don't think there is a good option for Juve without a new signing.
Best i could come up with just now would be an awkward lop-sided sort of shape:
Buffon
Lichtsteiner-Bonucci-???????-Sandro
Cuadrado-??????-Marchisio-Pjanic
Dybala
Higuain
Lichtsteiner-Bonucci-???????-Sandro
Cuadrado-??????-Marchisio-Pjanic
Dybala
Higuain
Pjanic can drift towards trequartista as Alex Sandro pushes up that flank.
Thats a 352 mate 
But yeah, we need that energetic CM
But yeah, we need that energetic CM
Juve's squad still looks to me to be built for 3-5-2 more than anything else.
But if it is 3-5-2 then I think Khedira is the player who needs to miss out to get Pjanic in.
Khedira is undoubtedly a better player than the other options, but all the other option for midfield (that I can think of) are more suited to playing with Marchisio and Pjanic.