Serie A 2024-25 (71 Viewers)
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I don't trust this damn offside system.
They sit and draw what they need.
Make a live var so everyone can hear what's going on there
Oh wait, Marotta league, I forgot.
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In the Premier League, at least, they draw a line
and discuss it, we can see that.
These assholes give us a video graphics in half an hour.
which they painted
They sit and draw what they need.
Make a live var so everyone can hear what's going on there
Oh wait, Marotta league, I forgot.
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In the Premier League, at least, they draw a line
and discuss it, we can see that.
These assholes give us a video graphics in half an hour.
which they painted
Krstovic actually the best player in Serie A in numbers of shots, but the rate for shoot on target and the conversion rate is pretty low, basically a machine gun type of striker. More like a just try to shoot it striker, but for a relegation club striker to able to shoot so much shots something that need to be appreciated
No, sorry. I watched the match live and everything about that third Inter goal was crazy, but I don't find it scandalous. The ball fully past the line only by a millimeter. Even the goal line technology needed some time. Martinez went for a header and I don't think there was a deliberate push, or a hand push at all.
However, there sure was a contact from behind and it was decisive. I saw a hundreds of fouls like this being called in the middle of the pitch. For me it's a 49-51 situation, with the 51 being "it's a foul", but not a scandalous call.
Still, it's the small details and ref calls that can bring a scudetto...
However, there sure was a contact from behind and it was decisive. I saw a hundreds of fouls like this being called in the middle of the pitch. For me it's a 49-51 situation, with the 51 being "it's a foul", but not a scandalous call.
Still, it's the small details and ref calls that can bring a scudetto...
I don't think that's the case.
If Monza scored this goal for 3:2, I am 100% sure that it would have been disallowed. But if that makes it a joke of the league, then Serie A was a joke of a league since the first day I started following it, because the scudetto favorites were always getting the calls that the small teams didn't. Hell, we find it hard to admit it, but there were times when one particular big team was getting the small, or even the big calls, even against the direct rivals who were also big teams and scudetto favorites. We'd have been justifiably mad if we lost a scudetto for a gol di Muntari or Iuliano foul on Ronaldo.
But this season I don't see that only one big team gets the small or the big calls. I watch Serie A and I can claim with certainty that Napoli are getting just as many calls as Inter. They are favored or forgiven just like Inter. The stats for fouls, yellows etc confirm that too. Conte is a big crybaby, but do you hear him complain? Check how many times teams that played Napoli complained about the refs.
Juve fans here and everywhere focus only on Inter and we created an impression that the league is rigged for one team to win it. Even last week the video of Dumfries' handball against Napoli went viral. The impression that it was supposed to create, I guess, was that even against the direct rivals Inter are getting the big calls in their favor. But somehow we forgot to share this video (around 0:09-0:10):
I leave it till the end of the season to be proven right or wrong, but as things stand Inter and Napoli are being equally favored by the refs, and that wouldn't have been the case if they were rigging the league for only one team to win it.
If Monza scored this goal for 3:2, I am 100% sure that it would have been disallowed. But if that makes it a joke of the league, then Serie A was a joke of a league since the first day I started following it, because the scudetto favorites were always getting the calls that the small teams didn't. Hell, we find it hard to admit it, but there were times when one particular big team was getting the small, or even the big calls, even against the direct rivals who were also big teams and scudetto favorites. We'd have been justifiably mad if we lost a scudetto for a gol di Muntari or Iuliano foul on Ronaldo.
But this season I don't see that only one big team gets the small or the big calls. I watch Serie A and I can claim with certainty that Napoli are getting just as many calls as Inter. They are favored or forgiven just like Inter. The stats for fouls, yellows etc confirm that too. Conte is a big crybaby, but do you hear him complain? Check how many times teams that played Napoli complained about the refs.
Juve fans here and everywhere focus only on Inter and we created an impression that the league is rigged for one team to win it. Even last week the video of Dumfries' handball against Napoli went viral. The impression that it was supposed to create, I guess, was that even against the direct rivals Inter are getting the big calls in their favor. But somehow we forgot to share this video (around 0:09-0:10):
I leave it till the end of the season to be proven right or wrong, but as things stand Inter and Napoli are being equally favored by the refs, and that wouldn't have been the case if they were rigging the league for only one team to win it.
that mctominay call is the only one i can remember that went against inda. and they got scandalous favors countless times
what you need to take a look at the people making decisions about calcio. the president of the league is interista, chiné has a zanetti book right next to his office desk, rocchi never appears publicly with any other club official than marotta, the prosecutors (both civil and mafia) are openly interisti, and i could go on. any other club would have been seriously investigated and most probably punished for both their financial troubles (including liquidity, business continuity, lack of transparency of their ownership) and mafia connections
and the refereeing isn't balanced and "equally favors both inda and napoli" like you suggest. for that, you'd need scandalous calls during each and every napoli game, just like inda gets them all the time. ffs inzaghi can enter the pitch while the game is on, can shout at the ref, lautaro can throw a ball at the ref and literally nothing happens. last year they were the team with the most favorable foul to yellow card ratio, i posted the statistical analysis about that iirc, and this year they are yet to have 1 game of suspension for any of their players, being the only team at that lol. it's not something juventini just made up to cover for jj's failures, you could see them if you wanted to.
they are untouchable since years
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and here's an other one lol. it's like a job requirement for any football related management position in italy. i guess marelli will be kept at dazn
what you need to take a look at the people making decisions about calcio. the president of the league is interista, chiné has a zanetti book right next to his office desk, rocchi never appears publicly with any other club official than marotta, the prosecutors (both civil and mafia) are openly interisti, and i could go on. any other club would have been seriously investigated and most probably punished for both their financial troubles (including liquidity, business continuity, lack of transparency of their ownership) and mafia connections
and the refereeing isn't balanced and "equally favors both inda and napoli" like you suggest. for that, you'd need scandalous calls during each and every napoli game, just like inda gets them all the time. ffs inzaghi can enter the pitch while the game is on, can shout at the ref, lautaro can throw a ball at the ref and literally nothing happens. last year they were the team with the most favorable foul to yellow card ratio, i posted the statistical analysis about that iirc, and this year they are yet to have 1 game of suspension for any of their players, being the only team at that lol. it's not something juventini just made up to cover for jj's failures, you could see them if you wanted to.
they are untouchable since years
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and here's an other one lol. it's like a job requirement for any football related management position in italy. i guess marelli will be kept at dazn
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i remembered anguissa was suspended a few rounds ago but i was wrong apparently, he's just risking suspension
that's your reply? finding one inaccuracy and ignoring everything else? át least i know you agree with the rest
that's your reply? finding one inaccuracy and ignoring everything else? át least i know you agree with the rest
Plus I really don't follow the off the pitch things and I don't think that I can contribute to that discussion.
But I follow the matches and I just don't see a conspiracy against everyone else in order Inter to win the scudetto.
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I chose to reply at least to that one inaccuracy because I think it was important to the point I was making.
Last week you (or maybe someone else) posted the Dumfries handball against Napoli. Now you said that only Inter didn't have a player suspended for cards.
But there is Mctominay's foul on the same match, and Napoli are the only other team apart from Inter that doesn't have a player suspended.
Inter are not the only team that's getting the favors, and if the league is rigged for them to win it, it's very strange that their main rivals are being so favored too.
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please go on, i'm curious
you can easily fact check everything. the whole calcio world has a clear and overwhelming bias towards inda when it comes to representatives
it's not irrelevant but it's not very important either. nobody said that calcio was 100% corrupt. that's borderline impossible. i'm talking about a very clear bias, and one or two episodes won't make my point invalid. you're a stats guy, you obviously know that
what you completely ignore is that this happens in italy, a notoriously corrupt country. inda also has clear mafia ties, there are plenty of credible news about it that are based on interrogations, intercepted calls and reports by non-tabloid press. of course you won't find anything on gazzetta, but la stampa, la repubblica and calcio e finanza have dozens of reports. and everything what we see on the pitch makes sense. you don't put your loyal people in key positions then expect nothing in return, that's how corruption works everywhere
i have a very good friend who just wrote a book about calcio's history. he's also a professional translator, i hope he translates it to english so everyone can read it. brilliant book with plenty of less known and interesting stories. one of the main takeaways is that strong teams that ruled calcio for a longer period usually had strong political background too. juventus always had l'avvocato's backing and nobody was strong enough to challenge him while he was alive. luckily he was a more than decent man so he didn't abuse his power for decades. when he died, calciopoli happened and inda won 5 in a row. make anything you want about it
you can easily fact check everything. the whole calcio world has a clear and overwhelming bias towards inda when it comes to representatives
it's not irrelevant but it's not very important either. nobody said that calcio was 100% corrupt. that's borderline impossible. i'm talking about a very clear bias, and one or two episodes won't make my point invalid. you're a stats guy, you obviously know that
what you completely ignore is that this happens in italy, a notoriously corrupt country. inda also has clear mafia ties, there are plenty of credible news about it that are based on interrogations, intercepted calls and reports by non-tabloid press. of course you won't find anything on gazzetta, but la stampa, la repubblica and calcio e finanza have dozens of reports. and everything what we see on the pitch makes sense. you don't put your loyal people in key positions then expect nothing in return, that's how corruption works everywhere
i have a very good friend who just wrote a book about calcio's history. he's also a professional translator, i hope he translates it to english so everyone can read it. brilliant book with plenty of less known and interesting stories. one of the main takeaways is that strong teams that ruled calcio for a longer period usually had strong political background too. juventus always had l'avvocato's backing and nobody was strong enough to challenge him while he was alive. luckily he was a more than decent man so he didn't abuse his power for decades. when he died, calciopoli happened and inda won 5 in a row. make anything you want about it
I will not, because, as I said, I don't really follow what happens off the pitch. I don't have any knowledge or a single argument to counter what you and other Juventini claim is happening behind the scene. I do however find it a sheer incompetence on Inter's part to own practically everything and yet only be competing for their third scudetto in 15 years.
On the other hand, they seem to be engaging in at least the same practices that Juve did, yet they remain unpunished, while we were relegated, had points deductions etc.
As for what happens on the pitch, I could respond to every (often justified) accusation that referees have favored Inter this year by showing videos of Napoli matches, but what’s the point? 101 times out of 100, I’d rather see Napoli win the Scudetto over Inter. And so would everyone else here too I think, because we all ignore what's happening on Napoli's matches. In the post I decided to delete, I also addressed that stat you brought up about Inter having the most favorable foul to yellow card ratio last season. But what does that really prove? The season before, it was Napoli. This season, Bologna has by far the most favorable foul-to-card ratio. Does that mean the league is rigged for Bologna to win?
If we selectively pick stats and information to fit a predetermined narrative, we can "prove" anything we want. I’ve conducted similar experiments countless times in real life with historical facts. I know how it works and what it can provoke.
"Inter had the most favorable foul to card ratio. Also, the ref didn't give a clear penalty to Inter's main rivals Napoli for a clear handball from Dumfries. Inter are the only team that didn't have a suspended player this year"....
I'll stop here though. I won't be Inter's advocate. I just wish that you're wrong and Inter won't win the scudetto. As a matter of fact I wish that you're completely wrong and we win the scudetto with some ref help.
On the other hand, they seem to be engaging in at least the same practices that Juve did, yet they remain unpunished, while we were relegated, had points deductions etc.
As for what happens on the pitch, I could respond to every (often justified) accusation that referees have favored Inter this year by showing videos of Napoli matches, but what’s the point? 101 times out of 100, I’d rather see Napoli win the Scudetto over Inter. And so would everyone else here too I think, because we all ignore what's happening on Napoli's matches. In the post I decided to delete, I also addressed that stat you brought up about Inter having the most favorable foul to yellow card ratio last season. But what does that really prove? The season before, it was Napoli. This season, Bologna has by far the most favorable foul-to-card ratio. Does that mean the league is rigged for Bologna to win?
If we selectively pick stats and information to fit a predetermined narrative, we can "prove" anything we want. I’ve conducted similar experiments countless times in real life with historical facts. I know how it works and what it can provoke.
"Inter had the most favorable foul to card ratio. Also, the ref didn't give a clear penalty to Inter's main rivals Napoli for a clear handball from Dumfries. Inter are the only team that didn't have a suspended player this year"....
I'll stop here though. I won't be Inter's advocate. I just wish that you're wrong and Inter won't win the scudetto. As a matter of fact I wish that you're completely wrong and we win the scudetto with some ref help.