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DutchJuventino

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I do not agree about Milan's win against Atalanta. Milan were superior. Atalanta got a lucky penalty and the Milan attack was playing with Atalanta's defense. You obviously only watched the highlights.

Roma has not enough quality in their squad. We should keep an eye on Calafiori and Zaniolo, top 4 could be possible.

Juve and the two Milanese are fighting for the scudetto.
 

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pavluska

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Juve - I said it last year and I`ll say it again. Player wise Juve are the best in Italy but there is much work to be done. We are on the right track and I wouldnt rule anything just yet.
How anyone thinks otherwise is truly beyond me.

Let alone ours only being 5th or 6th best and "hoping to have a shot at 4th."
 
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. Player wise Juve are the best in Italy but there is much work to be done. We are on the right track and I wouldnt rule anything just yet.
I expect a strong second half to the season but I just hope we wont be too far from our objective when we eventually start doing well.
In what world is juve midfield superior to Milans Inter or even napoli?

In what world is juves attack better than inter milan napoli?

Ur defense? With bonucci & chestknee lol

stop playing fifa ur not winning scudetto with have beens
 

Siamak

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Juventus have the highest estimated squad transfer value in Serie A with €618m, and 11th in Europe excluding loans.

Top five in Serie A:

1 — Juventus : €618m
2 — Inter : €469m
3 — AC Milan : €434m
4 — AS Roma : €415m
5 — SSC Napoli : €387m

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Knowah

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In what world is juve midfield superior to Milans Inter or even napoli?

In what world is juves attack better than inter milan napoli?

Ur defense? With bonucci & chestknee lol

stop playing fifa ur not winning scudetto with have beens
Imagine thinking Rebic, Leao, Giroud, Ibra was better than Dybala, Chiesa, Morata, Kean.

Imagine thinking Martinez, Dzeko, Sanchez, Correa was better than Dybala, Chiesa, Morata, Kean.

Imagine thinking Insigne, Politano, Osimhen, Mertens was better than Dybala, Chiesa, Morata, Kean.
 

Orgut

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In what world is juve midfield superior to Milans Inter or even napoli?

In what world is juves attack better than inter milan napoli?

Ur defense? With bonucci & chestknee lol

stop playing fifa ur not winning scudetto with have beens
Its about one department
About the attackers - I think @Knowah said it quite well..
Defense - again not just player vs player but Bonucci isnt that bad overall although he isnt amazing as well. Honestly many clubs would definitely like him to play for them.
Woj - He is a decent keeper when he isnt giving away gifts. Up until this year`s howlers many said he is way better than Handanovich for example..
You are underestimating our team.

P.S our midfield sucks because we dont have a balance - This year we have Locatelli who really upgraded our midfield so now we need one creator and one who can also defend well.
Rabiot isnt a bad player, but he is neither of the two I types I mentioned while Bentancur isnt reliable.

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we have strongest squad no doubt. it is just that players and coaches are jerking around.
Now we have our "ugly playing" savior. We can win again
 

zizinho

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Imagine thinking Rebic, Leao, Giroud, Ibra was better than Dybala, Chiesa, Morata, Kean.

Imagine thinking Martinez, Dzeko, Sanchez, Correa was better than Dybala, Chiesa, Morata, Kean.

Imagine thinking Insigne, Politano, Osimhen, Mertens was better than Dybala, Chiesa, Morata, Kean.
Dzeko is the best of them all, followed by Chiesa. But yeah, we have a great attack but the midfield is garbage. Locatelli makes it above average, that's how bad the rest are
 

LiquidPLP

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Midfield makes or breaks a team. Ours is still lagging behind despite Locatelli's addition.
True, however Bentancur and Rabiot look way better next to Loca.

Ramsey and McBurger are hopeless. Arthur yet to be verified under Max.

Our mid is definitely not the best one in the league but the attacking options and defense look good. AS and MDL picked it up lately, Danilo has been solid for a year now.
 

Knowah

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Its about one department
About the attackers - I think @Knowah said it quite well..
Defense - again not just player vs player but Bonucci isnt that bad overall although he isnt amazing as well. Honestly many clubs would definitely like him to play for them.
Woj - He is a decent keeper when he isnt giving away gifts. Up until this year`s howlers many said he is way better than Handanovich for example..
You are underestimating our team.

P.S our midfield sucks because we dont have a balance - This year we have Locatelli who really upgraded our midfield so now we need one creator and one who can also defend well.
Rabiot isnt a bad player, but he is neither of the two I types I mentioned while Bentancur isnt reliable.

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Now we have our "ugly playing" savior. We can win again
Defense to defense, only Inter are anywhere near our defensive backline of De Ligt, Chiellini, Bonucci, Sandro, Danilo. And they probably aren't better than ours. We probably have the best defense in the league. De Ligt and Bonucci would start instantly for Inter, Napoli, or Milan. Instantly. Chiellini also and probably Danilo in terms of centerbacks. Like no hesitation, no doubt, they would each start for those squads. Danilo/Chiellini probably not for Inter as I don't see them replacing Skriniar, Bastoni, or de Vrif but Bonucci or De Ligt would replace all three of those individually and if you put De Ligt and Bonucci on Inter, Bastoni and de Vrij would be on the bench in a heartbeat. Nevermind the jokes that are Dimarco, Dumfries, Darmian, D'Ambrosio, or Kolarov. Our fullbacks Danilo and Sandro start ahead of all of these.

Even when you look at the midfield, we have a wealth of average options and that's the complaint. But even when compared to Milan or Inter (Napoli is not good, come on now) you have to scratch your head. Milan has Kessie, Diaz, and Tonali but after that the dropoff is immediate are far worse than ours. Inter clearly has the best midfield, even with Eriksen out, but the dropoff is once again pretty stark. Barella, Perisic, Sensi, Brozovic into Gagliardini, Vidal, Vecino. Yikes. Locatelli, Rabiot, Bentancur on paper seem worse but not drasticaly worse than Inter. Now, on paper and performing on the pitch are two very different things as our midfield as shown. But that doesn't discount the fact that Ramsey, Arthur, and McKennie probably each could walk on to Napoli or Milan's midfield and would be first off the bench for Inter any day of the week. The fact Ramsey and Arthur are paid insane wages and yet are on our bench is exactly the problem.

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Dzeko is the best of them all, followed by Chiesa. But yeah, we have a great attack but the midfield is garbage. Locatelli makes it above average, that's how bad the rest are
I agree Dzeko is probably the best in terms of pure goals, something I have always complained about concerning Dybala. But he's not far and away the best compared to Dybala and Chiesa.

We clearly lack a lead forward to pair with Dybala and let him roam. Imagine an attack with a poacher like Dzeko, alongside the playmakers of Dybala and Chiesa. Morata is apparently that forward for this year but someway off the mark. We need a poacher, scorer that can be fed by Dybala and Chiesa and keep defensive backlines honest.

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True, however Bentancur and Rabiot look way better next to Loca.

Ramsey and McBurger are hopeless. Arthur yet to be verified under Max.

Our mid is definitely not the best one in the league but the attacking options and defense look good. AS and MDL picked it up lately, Danilo has been solid for a year now.
100% agree. Rabiot and Bentancur each have their own issues but they are far from awful players. Slightly above average and that is the complain as a fanbase. Juventus should not have average. Locatelli is a good step in the right direction and the problem now is the massive wages in our midfield means we have to sell them or wait. Both come with their own problems. But we will reinvigorate this midfield given time.

We got too crazy trying to sign players on Bosman. I don't know what management was thinking with Ramsey. His injury history was well known even then.
 

Cerval

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True, however Bentancur and Rabiot look way better next to Loca.

Ramsey and McBurger are hopeless. Arthur yet to be verified under Max.

Our mid is definitely not the best one in the league but the attacking options and defense look good. AS and MDL picked it up lately, Danilo has been solid for a year now.
So you're agreeing that the midfield is not up to the task? Too much revisionism otherwise. Sampdoria and Spezia won the midfield battle against ours. Bentancur and Rabiot are too error prone.

The teams doing better now and we're back to thinking its standard stuff.
 

zizinho

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Defense to defense, only Inter are anywhere near our defensive backline of De Ligt, Chiellini, Bonucci, Sandro, Danilo. And they probably aren't better than ours. We probably have the best defense in the league. De Ligt and Bonucci would start instantly for Inter, Napoli, or Milan. Instantly. Chiellini also and probably Danilo in terms of centerbacks. Like no hesitation, no doubt, they would each start for those squads. Danilo/Chiellini probably not for Inter as I don't see them replacing Skriniar, Bastoni, or de Vrif but Bonucci or De Ligt would replace all three of those individually and if you put De Ligt and Bonucci on Inter, Bastoni and de Vrij would be on the bench in a heartbeat. Nevermind the jokes that are Dimarco, Dumfries, Darmian, D'Ambrosio, or Kolarov. Our fullbacks Danilo and Sandro start ahead of all of these.

Even when you look at the midfield, we have a wealth of average options and that's the complaint. But even when compared to Milan or Inter (Napoli is not good, come on now) you have to scratch your head. Milan has Kessie, Diaz, and Tonali but after that the dropoff is immediate are far worse than ours. Inter clearly has the best midfield, even with Eriksen out, but the dropoff is once again pretty stark. Barella, Perisic, Sensi, Brozovic into Gagliardini, Vidal, Vecino. Yikes. Locatelli, Rabiot, Bentancur on paper seem worse but not drasticaly worse than Inter. Now, on paper and performing on the pitch are two very different things as our midfield as shown. But that doesn't discount the fact that Ramsey, Arthur, and McKennie probably each could walk on to Napoli or Milan's midfield and would be first off the bench for Inter any day of the week. The fact Ramsey and Arthur are paid insane wages and yet are on our bench is exactly the problem.

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I agree Dzeko is probably the best in terms of pure goals, something I have always complained about concerning Dybala. But he's not far and away the best compared to Dybala and Chiesa.

We clearly lack a lead forward to pair with Dybala and let him roam. Imagine an attack with a poacher like Dzeko, alongside the playmakers of Dybala and Chiesa. Morata is apparently that forward for this year but someway off the mark. We need a poacher, scorer that can be fed by Dybala and Chiesa and keep defensive backlines honest.

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100% agree. Rabiot and Bentancur each have their own issues but they are far from awful players. Slightly above average and that is the complain as a fanbase. Juventus should not have average. Locatelli is a good step in the right direction and the problem now is the massive wages in our midfield means we have to sell them or wait. Both come with their own problems. But we will reinvigorate this midfield given time.

We got too crazy trying to sign players on Bosman. I don't know what management was thinking with Ramsey. His injury history was well known even then.
Chiesa I give you, but Dybala has been inconsistent and out injured since atleast 3 years. Lautaro has outperformed him for 2 seasons in a row, and is looking good again this season. Him and Dzeko, Osimen and Insigne, Ibra and that Diaz kid, if you look at the front 2 (SS and CF), do you consider us to be stronger? Chiesa is what puts out attack on the map, but he's a wide man. Same with Cuadrado and the midfield. Our strength over them is the wide areas and central defense, but inter has the better GK, midfield and attack. Or as people like to do, go over the teams player for player and compare... I consider us the 2nd best team purely on paper, but you have to take other stuff into account. Injuries, chemistry, fit, balance. Our team is not very well built, despite some great names in it
 

LiquidPLP

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So you're agreeing that the midfield is not up to the task? Too much revisionism otherwise. Sampdoria and Spezia won the midfield battle against ours. Bentancur and Rabiot are too error prone.

The teams doing better now and we're back to thinking its standard stuff.
Oh, midfield would be the first area for improvement - I'd definitely try to upgrade on Rabiot and Bentancur. Getting a couple of CMs would by my #1 move. Ahead of anything else.

With that being said, what I meant before is that it's too simplistic to rate a team just by one department. Yes, midfield needs upgrading but we all know these players aren't THIS bad. I mean, 18th place? 11th place? No one can take this seriously. It's not just midfield, the whole team was malfunctioning.

If you say that the midfield makes the defense look bad, then it's only half of the story IMO - it can work the other way around too. If the defense is insecure, the midfielders need to drop deeper, giving away space etc. If attack is disjointed, it also makes the midfield look bad.
Max needs to make these guys function as a unit, then they will look much better individually too. I mean, this is what for example Milan has - their midfield doesn't look that exciting on paper but it actually works for them, those guys are a good fit for their team. Move them elsewhere and they will struggle to impose their game.
 

zizinho

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Oh, midfield would be the first area for improvement - I'd definitely try to upgrade on Rabiot and Bentancur. Getting a couple of CMs would by my #1 move. Ahead of anything else.

With that being said, what I meant before is that it's too simplistic to rate a team just by one department. Yes, midfield needs upgrading but we all know these players aren't THIS bad. I mean, 18th place? 11th place? No one can take this seriously. It's not just midfield, the whole team was malfunctioning.

If you say that the midfield makes the defense look bad, then it's only half of the story IMO - it can work the other way around too. If the defense is insecure, the midfielders need to drop deeper, giving away space etc. If attack is disjointed, it also makes the midfield look bad.
Max needs to make these guys function as a unit, then they will look much better individually too. I mean, this is what for example Milan has - their midfield doesn't look that exciting on paper but it actually works for them, those guys are a good fit for their team. Move them elsewhere and they will struggle to impose their game.
We are 7 games in, you can't look at the team position at the table so soon, league is played on consistency so you need more games for a full picture. Also, we lost Ronaldo 1 game into the season, we have a new coach and the team was very disfunctional when he arrived. We will be at the top soon
 
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