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Alen

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These kind of stats are always going to be worse for players who get substituted in. For example most of Sami's draws are because he was substituted in from the bench. I would imagine it's the same for Bernardeschi too.
True, but not for these two cases. Khedira started 9 of 12 matches, while Berna started 9 of 16. In some cases what you're saying is valid, but in many cases we have these kind of situations:

Bernardeschi
Inter-Juventus 1:2. With Berna on it was 1:1 and he played 62 minutes. He gets a draw, Juve get a win.
Juve-Genoa 2:1. With Berna on it was 1:1. He played 79 minutes. He gets a draw, Juve get a win.
Torino-Juve 0:1. With Berna on it was 0:0. He played 67 minutes. Berna draw, Juve win.
Juve-Milan 1:0. With Berna on it was 0:0. He played 61 minutes. Berna draw, Juve win.
Atalanta-Juve 1:3. With Berna on it was 0:0. He started the match and played some 30 minutes. He gets a draw, Juve get a win.
Juve-Sassuolo 2:2. With Berna on it was 1:2. He played 53 minutes. Juve gets a draw, he records a defeat.

Or check Can. He has 3 defeats on matches where we won (3) or drew (1).
Juventus-Napoli 4:3. Before Can enters in 60th minute we lead 2:0. It ends 4:3. Juve gets a win, Can a defeat.
Inter-Juventus 1:2. Can plays 71 minutes and it's 1:1. He gets a draw, we get a win.
Atalanta-Juve 1:3. Can plays 70 minutes and we're losing 1:0 until that point. He gets a defeat, Juve gets a win.
Juve-Sassuolo 2:2. Can plays 54 minutes and we're losing 1:2. He gets a defeat, Juve a draw.

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And also... that's why I added the goal difference, because it kinda gives more complete picture. Berna played more minutes than Ramsey and D. Costa, but check their goal differences, and, since it's more important in their cases, the number of goals we score when they're playing.
 

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True, but not for these two cases. Khedira started 9 of 12 matches, while Berna started 9 of 16. In some cases what you're saying is valid, but in many cases we have these kind of situations:

Bernardeschi
Inter-Juventus 1:2. With Berna on it was 1:1 and he played 62 minutes. He gets a draw, Juve get a win.
Juve-Genoa 2:1. With Berna on it was 1:1. He played 79 minutes. He gets a draw, Juve get a win.
Torino-Juve 0:1. With Berna on it was 0:0. He played 67 minutes. Berna draw, Juve win.
Juve-Milan 1:0. With Berna on it was 0:0. He played 61 minutes. Berna draw, Juve win.
Atalanta-Juve 1:3. With Berna on it was 0:0. He started the match and played some 30 minutes. He gets a draw, Juve get a win.
Juve-Sassuolo 2:2. With Berna on it was 1:2. He played 53 minutes. Juve gets a draw, he records a defeat.

Or check Can. He has 3 defeats on matches where we won (3) or drew (1).
Juventus-Napoli 4:3. Before Can enters in 60th minute we lead 2:0. It ends 4:3. Juve gets a win, Can a defeat.
Inter-Juventus 1:2. Can plays 71 minutes and it's 1:1. He gets a draw, we get a win.
Atalanta-Juve 1:3. Can plays 70 minutes and we're losing 1:0 until that point. He gets a defeat, Juve gets a win.
Juve-Sassuolo 2:2. Can plays 54 minutes and we're losing 1:2. He gets a defeat, Juve a draw.

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And also... that's why I added the goal difference, because it kinda gives more complete picture. Berna played more minutes than Ramsey and D. Costa, but check their goal differences, and, since it's more important in their cases, the number of goals we score when they're playing.
Can's record this season is tragic as is Berna's. These kind of stats are definitely interesting and useful :tup:
 

cimenk

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Jul 23, 2008
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True, but not for these two cases. Khedira started 9 of 12 matches, while Berna started 9 of 16. In some cases what you're saying is valid, but in many cases we have these kind of situations:

Bernardeschi
Inter-Juventus 1:2. With Berna on it was 1:1 and he played 62 minutes. He gets a draw, Juve get a win.
Juve-Genoa 2:1. With Berna on it was 1:1. He played 79 minutes. He gets a draw, Juve get a win.
Torino-Juve 0:1. With Berna on it was 0:0. He played 67 minutes. Berna draw, Juve win.
Juve-Milan 1:0. With Berna on it was 0:0. He played 61 minutes. Berna draw, Juve win.
Atalanta-Juve 1:3. With Berna on it was 0:0. He started the match and played some 30 minutes. He gets a draw, Juve get a win.
Juve-Sassuolo 2:2. With Berna on it was 1:2. He played 53 minutes. Juve gets a draw, he records a defeat.

Or check Can. He has 3 defeats on matches where we won (3) or drew (1).
Juventus-Napoli 4:3. Before Can enters in 60th minute we lead 2:0. It ends 4:3. Juve gets a win, Can a defeat.
Inter-Juventus 1:2. Can plays 71 minutes and it's 1:1. He gets a draw, we get a win.
Atalanta-Juve 1:3. Can plays 70 minutes and we're losing 1:0 until that point. He gets a defeat, Juve gets a win.
Juve-Sassuolo 2:2. Can plays 54 minutes and we're losing 1:2. He gets a defeat, Juve a draw.

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And also... that's why I added the goal difference, because it kinda gives more complete picture. Berna played more minutes than Ramsey and D. Costa, but check their goal differences, and, since it's more important in their cases, the number of goals we score when they're playing.
Good Insight
Berna, Can, Khedira, and Danilo look worse
I hope Sarri check this
 

Orgut

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radu is also suspended, and correa is injured. they should beat parma regardless.
Radu and Correa are not SMS or L.Alberto - This is why I havent listed them..

Lazio are definitely a favorite for this one even without these players but Lazio`s problem is depth so whenever SMS or L.Alberto are out their game should suffer heavily as a result. I expect Parma to be able to stun Lazio but not before Immobile puts one for his team..
 

Karim30

Allegri is back, life is back.
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True, but not for these two cases. Khedira started 9 of 12 matches, while Berna started 9 of 16. In some cases what you're saying is valid, but in many cases we have these kind of situations:

Bernardeschi
Inter-Juventus 1:2. With Berna on it was 1:1 and he played 62 minutes. He gets a draw, Juve get a win.
Juve-Genoa 2:1. With Berna on it was 1:1. He played 79 minutes. He gets a draw, Juve get a win.
Torino-Juve 0:1. With Berna on it was 0:0. He played 67 minutes. Berna draw, Juve win.
Juve-Milan 1:0. With Berna on it was 0:0. He played 61 minutes. Berna draw, Juve win.
Atalanta-Juve 1:3. With Berna on it was 0:0. He started the match and played some 30 minutes. He gets a draw, Juve get a win.
Juve-Sassuolo 2:2. With Berna on it was 1:2. He played 53 minutes. Juve gets a draw, he records a defeat.

Or check Can. He has 3 defeats on matches where we won (3) or drew (1).
Juventus-Napoli 4:3. Before Can enters in 60th minute we lead 2:0. It ends 4:3. Juve gets a win, Can a defeat.
Inter-Juventus 1:2. Can plays 71 minutes and it's 1:1. He gets a draw, we get a win.
Atalanta-Juve 1:3. Can plays 70 minutes and we're losing 1:0 until that point. He gets a defeat, Juve gets a win.
Juve-Sassuolo 2:2. Can plays 54 minutes and we're losing 1:2. He gets a defeat, Juve a draw.

- - - Updated - - -

And also... that's why I added the goal difference, because it kinda gives more complete picture. Berna played more minutes than Ramsey and D. Costa, but check their goal differences, and, since it's more important in their cases, the number of goals we score when they're playing.
Great job, thank you
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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Jesus, I thought Mancini was good but his past couple games he is just getting passed around by attackers.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
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Orsolini :tup:

Better than Chiesa as a player and much better value for money too. €26m for him is a no brainer

I like the look of their Japanese RB, Tomiyasu. Doesn’t stop running.

i don't see orso as a big team player. he strikes me as a midtable level talent. hope he proves me wrong

chiesa on other hand is real deal. aside from talent he busts his ass off for the team. juve player mentality
 

X Æ A-12

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i don't see orso as a big team player. he strikes me as a midtable level talent. hope he proves me wrong

chiesa on other hand is real deal. aside from talent he busts his ass off for the team. juve player mentality
:agree: Chiesa is very underrated around here for some reason. people discount that isnt purely technique but also speed and workrate you know the sort of thing you might miss if youve only seen youtube highlights
 
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