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Elvin

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With automatic 4 CL spots imo if Roma, Napoli, and Lazio can keep Milano clubs out of CL another year they will permanently establish themselves as the new big clubs of Italy outside of Juve. Fingers crosssd this happens.
Amen.
None of them have shit on us historically, thus Milano clubs going irrelevant will just mean more money for us if their potential fan-base decides to support us.

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The verdict on VAR

The most recent Derby d’Italia between Juventus and Inter was a gleaming endorsement for Serie A. It showcased its goals, its drama, but also opened a window into the strength and foibles of Video Assistant Refereeing (VAR), as its use saw goals disallowed and players sent off.

Napoli President Aurelio de Laurentiis says VAR stinks, while Juventus Chief Andrea Agnelli says he wants to see it in the Champions League. But with the controversial technology set to make its debut at the Russia World Cup this summer, no doubt it is the future, no matter the opinion in Italy.

Like anything, the technology can be improved, but often its application causes issues, which is why it’s efficacy and popularity varies in different countries. For many in England, its sporadic use in the historic and coveted FA Cup has been haphazard at best. Staunch naysayers on the new technology were somewhat vindicated after an error-strewn and perplexing 90 minutes of football in the FA Cup between Tottenham and Rochdale.

In a match between Bundesliga sides Mainz and Freiburg, a handball decision was awarded retroactively, but only after the players had already gone down the tunnel for half time. They were all hauled back to the pitch for the resulting penalty to be taken.

VAR is only as good as those who use it, and whether Italian referees are the best in Europe is up for debate, but no doubt they have taken to the technology quicker than most.

Out of 1,736 checks in 346 games and 105 corrections there were only 17 errors, of which only eight affected the result. Without VAR the likelihood or errors increases 500%.

Marcello Nicchi, head of the Italian referees, says Italy are leading the way with the technology and he is right. That wasn’t always the case, though.

As early as Week 2, referees thought they had done well to spot the foul by Daniele Rugani on Andrey Galabinov in the box in a match between Genoa and Juventus, but failed to spot that Galabinov was offside, handing the home side an unwarranted spot kick.

Roberto Donadoni says VAR punishes the smaller teams, but many have said the same of refereeing decisions for years.

The team with biggest chip on their shoulder about it is Lazio. A three-game spell against Fiorentina, Sampdoria and Torino saw penalties, handballs and red card decisions go against them. Some of their appeals were not even given the courtesy of a video review.

President Claudio Lotito saw what he viewed as poor decisions as part of a larger conspiracy against Lazio as a football club. He threatened to pull them out of Serie A, with fans protesting the technology and its decisions outside the Italian FA’s headquarters and players voicing their anger on social media.

The ability to review events moments after they happen brings more scrutiny. Referees are expected to make the right call after reviews. Players do complain slightly less than before, which means very little time is added on, cancelling out one of VAR’s main faults. Review times have been slashed, as have the number of fouls, yellow cards and dives. Like it or not, VAR works.

It is not perfect by any means. Some still complain about VAR sucking the thrill and emotion from football and that might not change for a while. More decisions can perhaps be left to officials with screens instead of the referee having to trudge to the side-line too often.

Fans in the stadium should be able to see what the referee sees to avoid confusion, like in Rugby, and that is planned for the 2018 World Cup. After all, many of them can just look at their phones to see the images within moments anyway.

But all the naysayers in Italy only have to look around to see things could be worse. And for a technology in its infancy that is still befuddling to many, that is a step in the right direction.
 

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[video=twitter;995789746638065669]https://twitter.com/OfficialASRoma/status/995789746638065669[/video]

Roma not being a typical Italian

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Respect to Roma. Clearly visible they are the team on the right path. Monchi, EDF, interesting players, new stadium - happy they did well in CL. That's what opening your eyes and not being blinded by Juve hate does to a team.
 

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Report: Ancelotti close to Napoli
By Football Italia staff

Just a day after he was first linked with the role, Carlo Ancelotti has reportedly reached an agreement to become the next Napoli Coach.

It had been reported on Sunday that Napoli owner Aurelio De Laurentiis had several phone calls with Ancelotti and were due to meet on May 21.

However, CalcioNapoli24 has gone one step further by claiming the former Milan and Real Madrid boss will even sign a contract with the Partenopei this week.

The website explains the 58-year-old 'has embraced the Napoli project for a month now and wants to represent the club’.

Furthermore, he would be happy for Cristiano Giuntioli to stay on as sporting director, with the intention of 'preserving’ the core of Napoli’s first team.

However, while Maurizio Sarri is being tipped to seek employment elsewhere, La Repubblica warns no clubs have yet to show a willingness to pay his 8m release clause.

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Respect to Roma. Clearly visible they are the team on the right path. Monchi, EDF, interesting players, new stadium - happy they did well in CL. That's what opening your eyes and not being blinded by Juve hate does to a team.
Everything seems to be better under American ownership. :p

I keeeeed!
 

s4tch

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Ancelotti at Napoli doesn't scare me, Conte at Milan or Simeone at Inter would be way scarier imo
it's usually about the squads' overall strength. conte wouldn't do miracles with this milan, at least not to the level that it would disturb us. simeone would be closer to roma with inda. ancelotti at napoli, however... that's a threat to juve if they keep their squad together and have some real depth options besides the chiriches' and rogs of the world.
 

pitbull

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it's usually about the squads' overall strength. conte wouldn't do miracles with this milan, at least not to the level that it would disturb us. simeone would be closer to roma with inda. ancelotti at napoli, however... that's a threat to juve if they keep their squad together and have some real depth options besides the chiriches' and rogs of the world.
nah, Ancelotti ain't a league coach, besides Napoli have kinda hit their ceiling, I don't think a club of their stature can punch much higher. their top players like Mertens, Jorginho, Hysaj, Koulibaly won't stay there forever to not win silverware and get paid significantly less than elsewhere (Mertens is on 3.5m, Jorginho on 1.6m, Hysaj on 0.7m and Koulibaly on 2m), Scudetto pact can work for one season, but that's not going to last long, their underpaid stars will leave and they'll replace them with young up and comers

now Milan or Inter getting revived is scary in the long term, they're not at a point where they could become title challengers overnight, but once someone like Conte or Simeone sorts the garbage out, their financials and muscles are going to grow 3 times as fast as Napoli if they become top teams again
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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@Hustini

They lost scudetto in hotel room because they didn't get to bed early enough. What a complete bitch Sarri is. :rofl:

So happy we won't be seeing this jackass on our sideline. :weee:
The truly remarkable bit about this is that Sarri seems completely oblivious to the fact mentality is key to winning trophies.

When Juve were 2-1 down, we easily could have let it go. Napoli scored the winner in the last minute, we gave away a lead against 10 men.. If ever there was a moment to lose hope, it was then. But instead we pulled through and took what was ours.

Napoli face a similar disheartening moment the next day because of our win, but completely crumble. That's not the calendar's fault. That's a loser attitude.

Sarri has to stay as far away from our team as possible. Classless calimero.

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Fred

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The truly remarkable bit about this is that Sarri seems completely oblivious to the fact mentality is key to winning trophies.

When Juve were 2-1 down, we easily could have let it go. Napoli scored the winner in the last minute, we gave away a lead against 10 men.. If ever there was a moment to lose hope, it was then. But instead we pulled through and took what was ours.

Napoli face a similar disheartening moment the next day because of our win, but completely crumble. That's not the calendar's fault. That's a loser attitude.

Sarri has to stay as far away from our team as possible. Classless calimero.

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Mmmm. I would say the resources you have at your disposal is a more critical determinant of a managers ability to win league titles especially. In terms of mentality, he got a Napoli team that has nowhere near the financial resources of Juventus to challenge until the final rounds and possibly even reach 90 points in the process. He has been scoring very high points totals for a team with Napoli's resources, that requires a positive, winning mentality. He's made his team believe that they are good enough to challenge, and they are improving and overachieving in the league every season. To say, his problem was mentality is extremely unfair.

If he were able to pay Juve level wages, to keep players like Higuain, and attract players like Douglas Costa, Dybala, D.Alves, Pjanic and other players on that caliber, but still he wasn't able to wrestle the league title from Juve, then yes it might be a mentality problem. Until then, IMO its an issue of resources.
 

Seven

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Mmmm. I would say the resources you have at your disposal is a more critical determinant of a managers ability to win league titles especially. In terms of mentality, he got a Napoli team that has nowhere near the financial resources of Juventus to challenge until the final rounds and possibly even reach 90 points in the process. He has been scoring very high points totals for a team with Napoli's resources, that requires a positive, winning mentality. He's made his team believe that they are good enough to challenge, and they are improving and overachieving in the league every season. To say, his problem was mentality is extremely unfair.

If he were able to pay Juve level wages, to keep players like Higuain, and attract players like Douglas Costa, Dybala, D.Alves, Pjanic and other players on that caliber, but still he wasn't able to wrestle the league title from Juve, then yes it might be a mentality problem. Until then, IMO its an issue of resources.

Of course. Mentality is just one factor. But it is nevertheless still a factor and a necessary one at that. It is mindboggling how a supposedly fantastic manager like Sarri doesn't seem to understand what he is saying. Surely if his team is that weak mentally, they do not deserve to be anywhere near the title.
 

Fred

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Of course. Mentality is just one factor. But it is nevertheless still a factor and a necessary one at that. It is mindboggling how a supposedly fantastic manager like Sarri doesn't seem to understand what he is saying. Surely if his team is that weak mentally, they do not deserve to be anywhere near the title.
You still take what managers say at face value? :D

Its become fashionable to play mind games.
 

Elvin

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You still take what managers say at face value? :D

Its become fashionable to play mind games.
Mentality is the reason Arsenal hasn't won a league title in ages, resources are there.
Mentality is the reason Liverpool never win PL, mentality is the reason we underperform in CL finals. Mentality is vital.
 

Fred

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Mentality is the reason Arsenal hasn't won a league title in ages, resources are there.
Mentality is the reason Liverpool never win PL, mentality is the reason we underperform in CL finals. Mentality is vital.
I don't agree. Resources relative to who?

Arsenal and Liverpool both do not spend on transfers and wages anything close to what Chelsea, City and United have over the years. In Arsenal's case, I'm not defending us, because I think even relative to our resources we have underperformed a lot in the past few years, but you still can't compare Arsenal's expenditure on players to the aforementioned three teams. The same applies to Liverpool.

As for Juve, the fact that they've reached two CL finals in the past few years IMO is overachievement relative to their resources. Its why I think Allegri has been world class in the past four years. There is no comparison in terms of squad quality, and expenditure on players between Juve and the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona especially. The fact that Juve have reached two CL finals beating both those teams on the way, and have generally been as good as teams like Barcelona(if not better) in the CL, despite the disparity in resources is testament to Juve's winning mentality not a lack of it.

Perhaps if Juve was able to keep their best players every year, and was able to buy players like Neymar, Coutinho, Modric, Kroos, and co, then maybe things would have been different. I think that is a much more valid explanation as to why Juve haven't won the CL, than a lack of winning mentality.

And please don't tell me you are one of those people that believe in club DNA?
 

Fred

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I do to a degree, to be honest. Sue me :D
Oh FFS :sergio: :D

I don't even know how that is possible. If Juve sell all their players tomorrow and trade them for Benevento's players, will their club DNA keep them winning Serie A titles?

Also, how do you explain teams like City and Chelsea who have no "DNA" dominating English football after they got their sugar daddies. Same for PSG in France? Teams with DNA in France, the likes of Nantes and St. Etienne get beaten 5-0 by no DNA PSG these days.


Resources >>>> A team's "DNA"(whatever the fuck that is anyway)
 

ADP1897

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Mmmm. I would say the resources you have at your disposal is a more critical determinant of a managers ability to win league titles especially. In terms of mentality, he got a Napoli team that has nowhere near the financial resources of Juventus to challenge until the final rounds and possibly even reach 90 points in the process. He has been scoring very high points totals for a team with Napoli's resources, that requires a positive, winning mentality. He's made his team believe that they are good enough to challenge, and they are improving and overachieving in the league every season. To say, his problem was mentality is extremely unfair.

If he were able to pay Juve level wages, to keep players like Higuain, and attract players like Douglas Costa, Dybala, D.Alves, Pjanic and other players on that caliber, but still he wasn't able to wrestle the league title from Juve, then yes it might be a mentality problem. Until then, IMO its an issue of resources.
He's too stubborn, like Conte, rarely use bench player. Napoli starting 11 qlready burn out in march. Yet he's refuse to change the player.

And the fact sarri & napoli celebrate after 1-0 in Turin was a huge question of mentality. I not fanboying over Allegri, but the fact he push Dybala and got red after Inter match is the mentality you need to grind result when it's the most needed.

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