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tosh_rose

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de vrij to inter - free transfer
torreira to napoli - 25m release clause


so much for :beppe: shopping in serie a strategy
Yes, two inferior teams are targeting and are close to sign two mediocre or slightly above average players that they need, as they are filled with those kind of players and those type of players are close to the best they can add to their rosters. How incompetent and ignorant is that Beppe guy for not trying to sign every lowlife there is in mother Serie A? I swear if it was announced that Juve's first two signings for the summer were exactly De Vrij and Torreira, the usual moaning from the usual people would follow as we are not improving our squad, we are far from a powerhouse, we are wasting our resourses instead of investing them in a world class players, star players, youngsters of great potential, etc... And in that case they would be right, as those two are not good enough for a starting spot at a top 5 European side, which is definitely Juve's status in last 4 years, whether you like it or not! Those players are obviously not the ones that fit our profile and suit our character, and it is not because I or someone else thinks that, it is because our management thinks that way, if Marotta, Paratici and our staff thinks that, then thats exactly the case here, as unlike us - fans, Beppe, Fabio and the rest are most definitely top notch, they are undoubtedly amongst the best in Europe at what they do, their record is brilliant, their knowledge and skills are unmatched, most big and not that big clubs would KILL to have them operating and managing their business, and yet we... we have those individuals, that are constantly hating on every single occasion, constantly moaning about every goddamn thing, constantly claiming that they know more about football and are more capable of doing their job... Some of you dont deserve this team...
 

Bianconero81

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De Vrij is not mediocre or above average; he's consistently one of the best defenders in Serie A. Don't bend facts to suit your narrative. We don't need him, seeing as we have Chiellini, Benatia, Rugani, and Caldara, and therefore he's unlikely to want to come here and warm the bench more often than not.

As for Torreira, he's probably too slight in frame to fit Allegri's style, but he's definitely no downgrade on The Accidental Footballer or this current version of Khedira. Hopefully we're passing up on the opportunity to sign him because we have a couple of quality CMs lined up.
 

Nedved96

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As for Torreira, he's probably too slight in frame to fit Allegri's style, but he's definitely no downgrade on The Accidental Footballer or this current version of Khedira. Hopefully we're passing up on the opportunity to sign him because we have a couple of quality CMs lined up.
Torreira might be small but he’s a tough mother fucker for his size. His workrate and tackling is much better than Pjanic or that lazy bum Khedira.
 

tosh_rose

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Aug 21, 2010
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De Vrij is not mediocre or above average; he's consistently one of the best defenders in Serie A. Don't bend facts to suit your narrative. We don't need him, seeing as we have Chiellini, Benatia, Rugani, and Caldara, and therefore he's unlikely to want to come here and warm the bench more often than not.

As for Torreira, he's probably too slight in frame to fit Allegri's style, but he's definitely no downgrade on The Accidental Footballer or this current version of Khedira. Hopefully we're passing up on the opportunity to sign him because we have a couple of quality CMs lined up.
I respect your oppinion, but you're not saying anything different than what I said, just used different words. We dont need the defender, as what we have is superior to him, no doubt about the starters, then there are the young ones, who got the skills and potential, its safe to say that they are Italy's brightest CB prospects, or one of the very few, lets say it that way. We dont need another center back, we shouldnt see a free De Vrij as a market opportunity, hence why we are not in the game for his signature...

Torreira seems like a decent kid, probably if he is well coached and finds himself in a fruitful environment he can reach a level above slightly average, but also he might not do that, if he makes a wrong career choice, or decides to make a step up earlier than it should. He was already warned by Jorginho's agent, publicly, that if he joins Napoli, he would be a reserve player, a back up. He might be, or he might flourish and win a starting spot at Italy's second best team. Time will tell, but while he may be a useful and convenient addition to Napoli, he is not for us. You chose to compare him to the weakest mid we currently have, yes, we can all agree that he is better than Sturaro, I dont want to offend him, but he's not good enough to be a squad player here, he has to go soon. Torreira and out of form Khedira, yes, the south american dwarf can prove to be more useful, as an out of form Khedira walks around the pitch and makes like 5 passes and zero of everything else for 90 minutes. But an inform Khedira is a classy player, and we saw that last year, we saw that several times this campaign also. The thing is, if Torreira was to join Juve, he wouldnt be fighting for a spot vs Khedira, nevermind in or out of form, he would be a 25 mil back up player, behind Pjanic, Matuidi, Khedira, someone new and more established player that we could/should get, and next to constantly injured and unfit Marchisio and young and talented Bentancur. Now if we already have Bentancur, why would we need to spend money on another youngster who is definitely not setting the world on fire as we speak. Yes, he scored a good goal against us, he did some good stuff in another games this season, but thats about it.

We, as a club, as a team, as a unit, already reached the phase when we dont need to add what may seem as a useful addition to the squad, we dont need a summer of five, six, seven or more new arrivals, we can do with three or four, who will challenge from day one what we have as a starters and eventually take their spot, making those players who lost that spot a very strong options to have on the bench. I hope we dont waste our budget on those kind of players and concentrate on few, very few really good, strong, classy and established players, and probably we will do just that. We'll see, main thing is, missing on De Vrij and Torreira is not exactly a miss for us, and is definitely a good business for the clubs mentioned to be after them and close to signing them. That is how big the difference is between us and them...
 

pavluska

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Apr 25, 2013
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de vrij to inter - free transfer
torreira to napoli - 25m release clause


so much for :beppe: shopping in serie a strategy
We aren't signing de Vrij b/c we don't need him. Why do you want him when we already have Caldara, Rugani, Benatia, Chiellini, Barzagli? And why would he sign with us with so much competition? And who do you want to sell? For de Vrij to agree to join us, you'd have to sell both Rugani and Benatia, and that'd be uber stupid.

To sign Torreira, we've to sell Pjanic. Torreira might or might not turn out to be better, but makes no sense to take that risk when Pjanic is already doing well for us as regista.

But don't let simple logic stop you from complaining for the sake of it.
 

Juliano13

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May 6, 2012
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We aren't signing de Vrij b/c we don't need him. Why do you want him when we already have Caldara, Rugani, Benatia, Chiellini, Barzagli? And why would he sign with us with so much competition? And who do you want to sell? For de Vrij to agree to join us, you'd have to sell both Rugani and Benatia, and that'd be uber stupid.

To sign Torreira, we've to sell Pjanic. Torreira might or might not turn out to be better, but makes no sense to take that risk when Pjanic is already doing well for us as regista.

But don't let simple logic stop you from complaining for the sake of it.
Torreira is a regista? I always thought he was more Vidal type.
 

pavluska

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Apr 25, 2013
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Torreira is a regista? I always thought he was more Vidal type.
In Italy, they even call De Rossi a regista.

Torreira is a good passer who can get stuck in also.

Plays in the same position as Pjanic (deepest midfielder, middle of 3).

To buy Torreira, we'd have to sell Pjanic or Marchisio which makes no sense, and we've priorities elsewhere.
 

Juliano13

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May 6, 2012
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In Italy, they even call De Rossi a regista.

Torreira is a good passer who can get stuck in also.

Plays in the same position as Pjanic (deepest midfielder, middle of 3).

To buy Torreira, we'd have to sell Pjanic or Marchisio which makes no sense, and we've priorities elsewhere.
Can't he play as a b2b next to Pjanic? 25m is really cheap in today's market.
 

Rollie

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Apr 15, 2008
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I think Torreira and Pjanic could play together. Torreira does play in that deep role at Samp, but I think you could move both of them around. Different enough players in practice, and both have a high football IQ.

He may be fairly short (5'6"), but he's quite strong in the tackle and a totally fearless, physical player. Outstanding motor (which we desperately need in MF), very quick feet, moves the ball real well; slick in tight spaces, love the way he keeps things ticking. From everything I've read, he's mature, a football junkie, and a well respected individual in the locker room. Good head on his shoulders, he's a reference point for Samp; already one of their leaders at a very young age.

I certainly enjoy watching him play. Doesn't seem like we're in for him at this point, but 25M is a steal in this market.

Just turned 22 last month. Guy is a stud, and he looks ready to take the next step now (unlike some of the other young players we've been linked to).
 
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