Serie A 2016/2017 (5 Viewers)

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Cerval

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Frank De Boer: "Inter are a successful club. You can breathe the winning mentality here. Ajax had it too, but I had to push to do things there, while here everyone has more fun even during trainings. Every single person at Inter is motivated."
 

Seven

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Frank De Boer: "Inter are a successful club. You can breathe the winning mentality here. Ajax had it too, but I had to push to do things there, while here everyone has more fun even during trainings. Every single person at Inter is motivated."
Unbelievable. If you've worked at Ajax, a club where they are indeed used to winning, how can you get confused like that? I'd understand if he worked at Feyenoord, went to Inter and got his ideas all messed up.
 

Zacheryah

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Unbelievable. If you've worked at Ajax, a club where they are indeed used to winning, how can you get confused like that? I'd understand if he worked at Feyenoord, went to Inter and got his ideas all messed up.
Yeah, comparing Inter and Ajax is rather silly.


They are so unalike its more annoying then funny



Edit : However, the notion that Inter has 'winning mentality' is hilarious
 

PedroFlu

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Things are shaping up quicky in Serie A.

Napoli right now looks like the clear cut 2nd team in country. We have yet to see their stability during the season, but they've never had such a good squad, with a lot of young players.

Actually they might have reached their ceilling. They can't keep top players, but they keep discovering new talented ones.

And they are very solid. It's hard to imagine them losing a lot of points against teams other than Inter/Roma.

But I also think they are kind of predictable... that 433 scheme is like our 352, they are almost dependent on it. If somehow it gets figured out, they will struggle very badly.

Anyway, I don't think it will be a peace of cake this year. Firstly because again our team changed a lot, and secondly because Napoli are a very respectable team right now. Actually, I don't think scudetto is ever easy as final points may show. Last year was a fucking dog fight, because of our horrid start, and the 23 wins in 24 games is really taken for granted. It was historical, and it came through many tough games.

The only scudetto relatively "easy" was the 4th one, when Roma collapsed too early and too badly. Lazio was never a threat. But all of them came with many tough games, decided by the talent of our players (Vidal, Pogba and Tevez bailed us out countless times).

Considering the unparalleled amount of hate and rivalry we face, it will never be easy, never to be taken for granted. There's no big club as dominant and domestically hated as we are in big European leagues, I believe.

So I believe Napoli will actually get the best of us, which is good.

Inter is shaping to be our other rival the coming years. Right now they are probably 3rd tier with Roma.

Other clubs are weaker this year IMO, specially Lazio and Fiorentina, and maybe even Torino. Atalanta and Empoli also had interesting teams, with young talent, but this year they are worse. Udinese has been disappointing the last years with weaker teams also.

Milan is still a mess, but they are doing something interesting: their Italian homegrown players are starting to pop up. They have great youth ranks it seems. They need a heavy investor and to get rid of Berlusconi and Galliani. If they acquire a competent board and investment at least the level of the one Inter has now, they will be competitive again.

So I'd say now, it is:

1 - Juve
2 - Napoli
3 - Roma and Inter
rest (Milan below)
 

pitbull

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I wouldn't say Napoli have reached their ceiling, they are a pretty young team, Sarri is there to stay and in the summer their team might only get stronger, they probably will loose Koulibaly, but I can't see any other departures. For me they seem a little bit more focused on the long term than we are which worries me a little in regards to our future, in a year or two we might have a serious competition.
 

PedroFlu

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Btw, Inter in the past 2 years has done a some good business, they practically made a respectable team with players exclusively signed these years. Of course they spent a lot this summer, and they did some dumb shit before (like Kondogbia or Jovetic).

They had 2 good players before: Handanovic and Icardi. Last 2 mercatos they added:

Murillo - 8M (steal - he's probably worth 3x now)
Miranda - 4M for 2yrs loan + 11M (absolute steal - can't believe Atletico accepted this. One of the top CBs for me)
Perisic - 16M (he's a good left winger. Didnt fancy him, but the more I see him play, the more I like him)
Candreva - 22M (good pure right winger)
Banega - free (very good signing)

Joao Mario apparently was overpaid for 40M, but I dont really know the guy. Seems good. Gabriel is an interesting signing, like Caprari and Manaj. Eder is a good squad player, as is Brozovic, who was cheap.

Now, they actually have a team. Kondogbia has been horrible, but part of is probably because of the mess the club has been. In an ordinated team, he could be a good DM.

What they don't have is fullbacks. Their fullbacks are disgusting. But they do have Di Marco, the greatest prospect in a long time for the LB position. Kid could be a stalwart for Italy at the position for years to come.

If they solve their fullback problem and get some depth for the midfield and defense, they will be very competitive.

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I wouldn't say Napoli have reached their ceiling, they are a pretty young team, Sarri is there to stay and in the summer their team might only get stronger, they probably will loose Koulibaly, but I can't see any other departures. For me they seem a little bit more focused on the long term than we are which worries me a little in regards to our future, in a year or two we might have a serious competition.
Thing is, they will be a threadmill team. The ceilling is the limits on salaries. They actually kept Cavani and Lavezzi for more time than I expected.

Jorginho and Allan are 2 players that fit very well for Napoli's size. If Zielinsky, for example, explodes, I don't think they can keep him for long. Milik the same. They have space for one or two top player salaries, but not for more than that.

They've hit the jackpot signing guys like Allan, Jorginho, Goulam, Mertens, Callejon, who are good to very good players and thus Napoli can keep. A little bit better, they be top, and Napoli would have to sell them, and start all over again. These are guys that would be excellent rotation players for us. But really good enough to start consistently.

I just dont see them becoming much better than they are now, not without more revenue. They are doing something close to the best possible job with the revenue and appeal they currently have.

The only way to scape this would be regularly performing well in CL. If they manage to build some name, like Dortmund did, they could grow.

But as of right now, I already see them as a championship threatning team. Juve will have to be solid as hell.
 

JuveJay

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But they do have Di Marco, the greatest prospect in a long time for the LB position. Kid could be a stalwart for Italy at the position for years to come.
Going from having virtually no one to choose from, Italy seem to have a few young left backs coming through at the same time - Di Marco, Masina (Bologna) and Barreca (Torino). I'd also keep an eye on Luca Germoni (Lazio-owned).
 

PedroFlu

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Going from having virtually no one to choose from, Italy seem to have a few young left backs coming through at the same time - Di Marco, Masina (Bologna) and Barreca (Torino). I'd also keep an eye on Luca Germoni (Lazio-owned).
Yes. But honestly, I've never really obseved Masina, can't tell how good he is. The same for Barreca, who is just starting to get some groundhype.

Anyway, Dimarco on the left and Calabria on the right, the starters of every Italian NT since U16, are looking very good and there's a real chance they will be the top fullbacks in the country for many years to come.

Actually, there's a whole lot of young players who have the potential to be very good on the coming years. What Italy lacks is a reference, a world talent to lead this new generation. It's been a while since they had one, decades actually.
 

JuveJay

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Actually, there's a whole lot of young players who have the potential to be very good on the coming years. What Italy lacks is a reference, a world talent to lead this new generation. It's been a while since they had one, decades actually.
Verratti is the closest. Balotelli was supposed to be, but he's a moron. The last outfield superstar to wear the shirt was Pirlo, and the only player younger than him who had that genuine superstar-level natural talent was Cassano.
 

Zacheryah

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Yes. But honestly, I've never really obseved Masina, can't tell how good he is. The same for Barreca, who is just starting to get some groundhype.

Anyway, Dimarco on the left and Calabria on the right, the starters of every Italian NT since U16, are looking very good and there's a real chance they will be the top fullbacks in the country for many years to come.

Actually, there's a whole lot of young players who have the potential to be very good on the coming years. What Italy lacks is a reference, a world talent to lead this new generation. It's been a while since they had one, decades actually.
Verratti is a reference, a world class talent
 
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