Serie A 2016/2017 (15 Viewers)

[Hist]

I'd like an additional head start of 3-5 years for us before Milano clubs get their shit together.

Thats what it would take on a good scenario for them. Even PSG couldnt win their easy league in the first year after they were bought. The same for Chelsea. Mancity took 4 years to win their first league. None of these teams had to close a gap as sizable as the one between the Milan clubs and Juve and all of these clubs had insane money pumped into them consistently to become competitive.

I don't think the chinese will go nuts in their spending and they will need to completely transform the clubs culture and how the clubs are managed. I think they should become Roma/Napoli level within a year or two and wont be serious competitors against us before 3 years have passed. Thats a very long time in football btw.

 

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[Elvin]

yeah but dude, none of Chelsea, City or PSG had the prestige, fan-base, or winning history that the Milano clubs have.
So I'm afraid it could take them shorter.

 

[il brutto]

yeah but dude, none of Chelsea, City or PSG had the prestige, fan-base, or winning history that the Milano clubs have.
So I'm afraid it could take them shorter.

Good, I'm sure our players are ready for the "challenge".

 

[Tomate]

Deloitte estimates that in 16/17 the Premier League will generate 3 times as much money as the Serie A.

Serie A is in desperate need of better teams besides Juve as well as a Juve that continues to get stronger. Juve needs a strong Serie A, Agnelli recently said something to the same effect, if we want to be able to keep the Dybala's of this world in the long-run. Revenue at Juve only can increase in the proportion it needs if the league can sell the internationl TV rights for a much higher price in the future, same with sponsorship deals. Serie A is only making good cash on national TV rights, in every other sector the league is way behind the Bundesliga, PL and La Liga and the gap is only growing year after year.

No need to worry about a stronger Serie A btw, Juve always will grow proportionally to the league. The same way Bayern has profited from the rise of the Bundesliga, transforming them from a team that barely had any chance to win the CL into a team that is one of the favourites every year, we would profit from a stronger Serie A in the long-run imo. When we reached nearly 4 CL finals in a row in the 90s, that wouldn't have been possibly without Serie A being hierarchically well positioned at that time. In those 4 years Italy was clear number one in the Uefa ranking.

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method1/crank1995.html

 

[zizinho]

Whats the situation with coefficient points after this season? How much behind the EPL are we now?

 

[Alex-444]

SUPERCOPPA TIM: data da definirsi tra 10/09/16 e 31/01/17

SERIE A TIM: inizio domenica 21/08/2016-fine domenica 28/05/2017

TURNI INFRASETTIMANALI: mercoledì 21/09/2016, mecoledì 26/10/2016, giovedì 22/12/2016

SOSTE: domenica 04 Settembre 2016 (gare squadre nazionali), domenica 9 ottobre 2016 (gare squadre nazionali), domenica 13 novembre 2016 (gare squadre nazionali), domenica 25 dicembre 2016 (sosta natalizia), domenica 01 gennaio 2017 (sosta natalizia), domenica 26 marzo 2017 (gare squadre nazionali), domenica 28 maggio 2017.

TIM CUP:
Primo turno eliminatorio: domenica 31/07/2016
Secondo turno eliminatorio: domenica 07/08/2016
Terzo turno eliminatorio: sabato 13/08/2016
Quarto turno: mercoledì 30/11/2016
Ottavi di finale: mercoledì 11/01/2017 e mercoledì 18/01/2017
Quarti di finale: mercoledì 25/01/2017 e mercoledì 01/02/2017
Semifinali (andata): mercoledì 01/03/2017
Semifinali (ritorno): mercoledì 05/04/2017
Finale: venerdì 02/06/2017 (data di riserva mercoledì 17/05/17)

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Whats the situation with coefficient points after this season? How much behind the EPL are we now?

We start 2017 with a 2 point difference

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2017.html

 

[DutchJuventino]

Whats the situation with coefficient points after this season? How much behind the EPL are we now?

England: 76.284
Italy: 70.439

Next season the 11/12 year will fall away so:
England: 76.284 - 15.250 = 61.034
Italy: 70.439 - 11.357 = 59.082

61.034 - 59.082 = 1952
So we need to earn 1952 more points than England next year.

Coefficient points are from uefa.com

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Oh AFL was quicker haha

 

[Elvin]

SUPERCOPPA TIM: data da definirsi tra 10/09/16 e 31/01/17

SERIE A TIM: inizio domenica 21/08/2016-fine domenica 28/05/2017

TURNI INFRASETTIMANALI: mercoledì 21/09/2016, mecoledì 26/10/2016, giovedì 22/12/2016

SOSTE: domenica 04 Settembre 2016 (gare squadre nazionali), domenica 9 ottobre 2016 (gare squadre nazionali), domenica 13 novembre 2016 (gare squadre nazionali), domenica 25 dicembre 2016 (sosta natalizia), domenica 01 gennaio 2017 (sosta natalizia), domenica 26 marzo 2017 (gare squadre nazionali), domenica 28 maggio 2017.

TIM CUP:
Primo turno eliminatorio: domenica 31/07/2016
Secondo turno eliminatorio: domenica 07/08/2016
Terzo turno eliminatorio: sabato 13/08/2016
Quarto turno: mercoledì 30/11/2016
Ottavi di finale: mercoledì 11/01/2017 e mercoledì 18/01/2017
Quarti di finale: mercoledì 25/01/2017 e mercoledì 01/02/2017
Semifinali (andata): mercoledì 01/03/2017
Semifinali (ritorno): mercoledì 05/04/2017
Finale: venerdì 02/06/2017 (data di riserva mercoledì 17/05/17)

WTF. Supercoppa in the end of January? Screw thaaat

 

[zizinho]

We start 2017 with a 2 point difference

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2017.html

England: 76.284
Italy: 70.439

Next season the 11/12 year will fall away so:
England: 76.284 - 15.250 = 61.034
Italy: 70.439 - 11.357 = 59.082

61.034 - 59.082 = 1952
So we need to earn 1952 more points than England next year.

Coefficient points are from uefa.com

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Oh AFL was quicker haha

We can overtake that easily. Thos are average points per team and England will have 8 teams in eurocups next season while Italy will have 6. we just need no one to suck completely

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Juve and Sassuolo to fly thr flag while Roma and inert embarass Italy. Napoli to have an okay EL campaign

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[Salvatore]

We can overtake that easily. Thos are average points per team and England will have 8 teams in eurocups next season while Italy will have 6. we just need no one to suck completely

Every year there are several disappointments, Serie A clubs are just too shit.

I'd be prepared to bet the gap increases after next season, and it'll be easier long term to aim to beat Germany.

 

[zizinho]

Every year there are several disappointments, Serie A clubs are just too shit.

I'd be prepared to bet the gap increases after next season, and it'll be easier long term to aim to beat Germany.

Its mostly the one wild card that qualifiers from Serie A that sucks like Sampdoria last season. We need all 6 clubs in the group stages and atleast 4 to make it to the knock out rounds. We need Juve to go far in CL and one of the other to make the SF in EL or 2 to make the QF... England has some top clubs miss out on CL and I can't see any of them reach quarterfinals in CL. For them it depends on how well United and Liverpool do in EL and if that one team that gets to play EL due to fair play can make the group stages

 

[DutchJuventino]

Juventus - Win the Champions League
Napoli - quarter finales Champions League
Roma - 1/16 finals Champions League
Inter - semi-final Europa League
Fiorentina - Quarter/semi-final EUropa League
Sassuolo - they will do a Torino and reach quarter final

I will be happy

Reality:
Juventus - Win the Champions League
Napoli - mediocre, semi-final Europa League
Roma - 1/16 final Champions League
Inter - failing, dead in quarter finals Europa League
Fiorentina - quarter final Europa League
Sassuolo - Do a Sampdoria and lose 0-4 against Vojvodina

 

[il brutto]

Every year there are several disappointments, Serie A clubs are just too shit.

I'd be prepared to bet the gap increases after next season, and it'll be easier long term to aim to beat Germany.

Not sure on that when you look at the teams competing in Europe next season.

Serie A--------------------------------------------------------Premier League
CL: Juventus, Napoli and Roma*----------------------------Leicester, Arsenal, Tottenham and City*
EL: Inter, Fiorentina and Sassuolo*-------------------------ManU, Southampton and West Ham*

*needs to go through qualifying rounds

I'd say Italy has the better teams competing in Europe next season.

 

[DutchJuventino]

Its mostly the one wild card that qualifiers from Serie A that sucks like Sampdoria last season.

Mostly true, only Torino did a great job 2 years ago. They won the poule with (Kopenhagen, Brugge, HJK), in 1/16 they sent Athletic Bilbao home (!) and in 1/8 they lost unlucky against Zenit. Torino deserved to win the home match with 4-0 or something, but it was only 1-0 at the end.

Hopefully Sass can do something great. If Inter would get the takeover by Chinese, they can reach semi's. For Fiorentina is quarter/semi's the maximum. It depends on the draw.

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Not sure on that when you look at the teams competing in Europe next season.

Serie A--------------------------------------------------------Premier League
CL: Juventus, Napoli and Roma*----------------------------Leicester, Arsenal, Tottenham and City*
EL: Inter, Fiorentina and Sassuolo*-------------------------ManU, Southampton and West Ham*

*needs to go through qualifying rounds

I'd say Italy has the better teams competing in Europe next season.

Yeah, we have luck Liverpool didn't qualify for Europa League and Tottenham and Leicester are in Champions League. Arsenal will choke again in 1/16. Only City and Man U. can be candidates for semi-finals or win the cup.

 

[il brutto]

Yeah, we have luck Liverpool didn't qualify for Europa League and Tottenham and Leicester are in Champions League. Arsenal will choke again in 1/16. Only City and Man U. can be candidates for semi-finals or win the cup.

Sevilla winning the Europa League was really good for Serie A.

 

[zizinho]

Not sure on that when you look at the teams competing in Europe next season.

Serie A--------------------------------------------------------Premier League
CL: Juventus, Napoli and Roma*----------------------------Leicester, Arsenal, Tottenham and City*
EL: Inter, Fiorentina and Sassuolo*-------------------------ManU, Southampton and West Ham*

*needs to go through qualifying rounds

I'd say Italy has the better teams competing in Europe next season.

+ England usually gets one fair play spot in EL so they are likely to have 8 teams compared to Italy 6, which means their total points get divided by 8 and Italys by 6. huge advantage there

 

[piotrr]

+ England usually gets one fair play spot in EL so they are likely to have 8 teams compared to Italy 6, which means their total points get divided by 8 and Italys by 6. huge advantage there

"The UEFA Executive Committee approved in December 2014 changes to the rewards given according to the Respect Fair Play ranking, and starting from the 2016–17 season, the three Fair Play berths will no longer be allocated to the Europa League.[1] Instead, a financial bonus will be paid by UEFA to the best Fair Play association, the most improved association, and the association with the best behaved spectators."

 

[zizinho]

Thats not good. We need United to choke now or not care about the EL