[Seria A] Roma - Juventus (12 Viewers)

romanista

Junior Member
Mar 4, 2005
59
++ [ originally posted by ZAF3000 ] ++
romanista,

Roma Vs Juve match was a total disaster. Do you really believe that the ref helped Juve out on this one.. Roma was lucky to end the match just losing the game. They were lucky not to have Cufre and Totti shown the red card for various types of ocassions. And they will be lucky if the Series A commity did not take actions against them. Totti and cufre are vital players for Roma. How will your team behave without them? What if now the commity decided to ban Totti and cufre for 2 matches. Do you seriously think Roma can get good results without them? I agree lets say that both Juves goals were not correct. But what about two incidents Cannavaro's PK and Zlatan's goal. What if Totti and Cufre were shown the red card from the first half. Do you think the match would have ended 1-2? Or would it have been much worse. Even more, if that did happen, what would Roma's result be next match without Cufre and Totti.
I think Roma was luckier than Juve in this match, don't you think?
Still that was the refs desicions, as you accept it when its your side you should accept it when its against you.
Roma's players behavoirs towards ex-roma players totally unprofessional. Zidane left Juve after playing some very nice football, when he came back to Turin to play the players were happy to seem him. Del Piero hugged him. Unlike what happened last night, when the players were hand shaking, totti refused to look at emerson when it was his turn plus he intentially hit him without a ball on the field. So much for being a captain.

IncuboRossonero,
I have to admit, Milan has a better squad than Juve. I've been saying it for a long time and I will continue to say it. But in my opinion they don't have a better coach. Capello is much better than ancelotti. Again my opinion feel free to disagree.
You have to agree that the last few weeks in the Serie A milan were pretty lucky. Against Man U they played better and deserved the win. Milan played a very tactical match. Man U were horrible.
About the ref again, you tend to accept it as human error when its on your side (Carespo's goal against Lazio, Serginho's goal which was a foul on Cafu, generous extra time ..etc) but you cannot accept the ref to make mistakes in favour of other teams especially Juve because they are the ones who are racing with you for the Scudetto.
So please enough with the ref favour Juve song... Its really getting boring.
When Juve played against Milan it may be was one of the worst performances this year. Milan played much better, we might have been lucky on some parts but Cannavaro's performance was top class. He managed to stop almost all of Milans attempts through Sheva and Kaka. He Litrally isolated Sheva. But one must agree Milan played a better match. I hope when we meet again it will be different and we can win ;)

yeah what if Zebina got a red for trying to out right kick Totti

what if Zambrotta got a red for that horrid tackle on Panucci

even the anouncer said those should have been straight reds

what if those idiots of officials actually did a good job

could have been a really different game

we'll never know
 

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Chxta

Onye kwe, Chi ya ekwe
Nov 1, 2004
12,088
++ [ originally posted by romanista ] ++



yeah what if Zebina got a red for trying to out right kick Totti

what if Zambrotta got a red for that horrid tackle on Panucci

even the anouncer said those should have been straight reds

what if those idiots of officials actually did a good job

could have been a really different game

we'll never know
You really are incorrigible. I think replying you is a waste of time.
 

Gino Genesio

Senior Member
Nov 14, 2004
4,329
++ [ originally posted by ZAF3000 ] ++
romanista,

Roma Vs Juve match was a total disaster. Do you really believe that the ref helped Juve out on this one.. Roma was lucky to end the match just losing the game. They were lucky not to have Cufre and Totti shown the red card for various types of ocassions. And they will be lucky if the Series A commity did not take actions against them. Totti and cufre are vital players for Roma. How will your team behave without them? What if now the commity decided to ban Totti and cufre for 2 matches. Do you seriously think Roma can get good results without them? I agree lets say that both Juves goals were not correct. But what about two incidents Cannavaro's PK and Zlatan's goal. What if Totti and Cufre were shown the red card from the first half. Do you think the match would have ended 1-2? Or would it have been much worse. Even more, if that did happen, what would Roma's result be next match without Cufre and Totti.
I think Roma was luckier than Juve in this match, don't you think?
Still that was the refs desicions, as you accept it when its your side you should accept it when its against you.
Roma's players behavoirs towards ex-roma players totally unprofessional. Zidane left Juve after playing some very nice football, when he came back to Turin to play the players were happy to seem him. Del Piero hugged him. Unlike what happened last night, when the players were hand shaking, totti refused to look at emerson when it was his turn plus he intentially hit him without a ball on the field. So much for being a captain.

IncuboRossonero,
I have to admit, Milan has a better squad than Juve. I've been saying it for a long time and I will continue to say it. But in my opinion they don't have a better coach. Capello is much better than ancelotti. Again my opinion feel free to disagree.
You have to agree that the last few weeks in the Serie A milan were pretty lucky. Against Man U they played better and deserved the win. Milan played a very tactical match. Man U were horrible.
About the ref again, you tend to accept it as human error when its on your side (Carespo's goal against Lazio, Serginho's goal which was a foul on Cafu, generous extra time ..etc) but you cannot accept the ref to make mistakes in favour of other teams especially Juve because they are the ones who are racing with you for the Scudetto.
So please enough with the ref favour Juve song... Its really getting boring.
When Juve played against Milan it may be was one of the worst performances this year. Milan played much better, we might have been lucky on some parts but Cannavaro's performance was top class. He managed to stop almost all of Milans attempts through Sheva and Kaka. He Litrally isolated Sheva. But one must agree Milan played a better match. I hope when we meet again it will be different and we can win ;)
Great post!
 

GRK

Guitar God
Oct 19, 2004
1,290
Oh, please. Every time Roma have something go even a little bit against them, they blow it completely out of proportion.
When something goes their way, it's "sheer talent" and when it doesn't it's "luck or cheating" so enough of this nonsense.
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
++ [ originally posted by denco ] ++
Guys big picture please.

I am worried, very worried

Now picture wednesday, Juve goes 2 goals up against Real Madrid and we are playing well with a 3 man attack with 30 mins to go, Real bring on Owen, guess what, Capello will take off Dp, out initiative goes to pot because we are defending a 2 goal lead and Real score 2 goals

This is not an idle rant or is it a prediction, I have seen it all before and where did i see it, I saw it with Italy as Trapatoni as manager, Vinman take a bow, u got it spot on, we are managed by a Trapatoni clone in Capello, the guy is an absolute asshead

What the hell are you doing, you joke, by taking off Dp at 55 mins and bringing on Pessotto of all people

We completely surrendered initiative to Roma and I am sorry they did not score because it will justify the idiot's decision but we will pay for it in the end mark my words.

I am so sick and tired of people trying to show off by justifying stupid decisions like that by saying this and that, plain and simple it was negative and it only invites trouble

Roma are not the Roma of old, they are not very good, nothing more complicated than that, they have a very good trident but thats about it, they have a godawful goalkeeper, defence which is very poor at times, average at others and not a very good midfield and yet we are treating them liker they are leading serieA

They are where they are not by accident but by design

Okay you take off one of the 3 strikers , so why not the quite ineffective Zalayeta who i thought was terrible

Why on earth would you then take off the one man who was holding up he ball well and thats Zlatan to replace him with the one player in world football who does not know how to hold on to the ball for 5 seconds when we are under pressure in \trezeguet

Everyone knows Trez is all about scoring, so why bring him on when we are just defending, why not make him the first sub and see if he could nick a goal when we are playing with 3 strikers and could still score on the break just to take the pressure off, and put the game to bed

No he brings on Pessotto and Roma did not even try to attack from that side

Now to the game

Buffon timelt saves at important times 6.5

Zebina his best game in a while as he had something to prove and did so admirably, still prone to stupid mistakes and behaviour though 6.5

Thuram they said he had flu and was doubtful, well i hope he always has flu after this dispaly he was awesome 7

Cannavaro good game and took his gola well as he reacted like a striker 6.5

Zambrotta , had to defend a lot due to Crap's tactics 6

Blasi has so much energy to burn and does a lot of spade work but is there a midfileder anywhere apart from Bosvelt and Joey Barton with less abilty than him 5.5

Emerson absolutely fantastic with a couple of crucial blocks to deny Roma 7

Camo was alright and still not very good at passing the ball as there was an instance where Zlatan had made such a very good run and was free only for him to overhit his pass 6

Dp showed he is back to his confident self, by taking on players in the first half and trying to beat them , something he has not been doing for a while 6

Zlatan, i thought played very well 6.5

Zalayeta, the one missing link in the trident as he was anonymous apart from his going to ground very easily for the penalty, had a good chance and fluffed it as well but its Zalayeta so some forgive him his limitations but i judge all equally and once you start a game and not play well you deserve a good bashing and he was quite poor 4.5

I must say the referee and his assistants were a joke, as Zlatan was offside in the move prior to the penalty, Thuram clearly brought down Montella and Roma should have gotten a penalty

Totti should have been sent off for his antics and in Europe he would have been but he gets away with it in Italy and then he thinks he would get away with it in europe and they send him off costing Italy or Roma in Europe

I am very afraid for Wednesday not because the guys are not good enough, but we have mr negativity as manager
Dennis, its good to see that besides yourself, me, Paul and Stuart that there are ppl here who see the big picture. Just because we won, we have ppl on this forum jumping around like a boy who just lost his virginity.

The big picture we see is that CRAP makes decisions just like the old master of catenaccio himself- Trapattoni, and tell me what he has won lately ????

I started referring to Capello as "TRAP", but somehow "CRAP" sounds better- a nicer ring to it !!!

Anyways, my point is that CRAP has made some bad decisions this season, and we have been lucky enough not to pay for them. But when does our luck run out ???

Try Wednesday....... I will not be happy when ppl here FINALLY say that "Vinman was right".................
 

Orgut

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2002
19,349
Capello is our coach and is one of the best managers ever so if he made a subtitution and he said it is a tactical just trust him he didn`t get that reputation for nothing...
If neddy plays we will kick Real`s ass if not I guess it will be harder but we still have a chance
 

Daddi

Cuadrado is juan hell of a derby king!
Oct 27, 2004
7,900
Actually, I think the same as Vinman... all the ppl in svenskafans.com says I should stop thinking like that or that I should go support Milan or something, but we are really lucky to be on par with Milan this season. Only a miracle can make us beat Real...
 

IncuboRossonero

Inferiority complex
Nov 16, 2003
7,039
++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


Right and Milan's players were clean, right? Please, nicky boy, sports haven't been clean for over 30 years. Do you really believe all those refereeing mistakes are human errors? Do you really believe your team isn't doped up?
Last time I checked Milan officials were not tried in court for doping fraud. So no...your accusations are about as legit as saying Zebina wears a pink thong on game day.

Yes I believe my team is not doped up because there is NOTHING to suggest they are...players do not suddendly drastically change in mass and/or suddendly stop performing at top levels (Ravanelli, Vialli, Tacchinardi, Del Piero, etc).
Please do not confuse the notion of TRIED AND CONVICTED WITH your own fabrications.

P.S. once again..this was not the discussion. You said that a ROMANISTA should not support Rome anymore because of their behaviour on the pitch. By that rationale you should not support Juve given the fact that it has been proven they won a CL and scudettis while being doped up.
 

IncuboRossonero

Inferiority complex
Nov 16, 2003
7,039
++ [ originally posted by ZAF3000 ] ++
Capello is much better than ancelotti. Again my opinion feel free to disagree.
Perhaps but not at the moment...without his history at Milan Capello is just another coach..his best years have been at OUR club. More over, at the moment the better coach is Ancelotti in every which way.

++ [ originally posted by ZAF3000 ] ++

You have to agree that the last few weeks in the Serie A milan were pretty lucky. .
No I don't agree..a team that dominates an entire last 15 minutes and pushes to goal till the very end and does not play for the tie is not lucky. In every one of those matches they did not stop going for net..these goals were not simple counter-attacks.

++ [ originally posted by ZAF3000 ] ++
About the ref again, you tend to accept it as human error when its on your side (Carespo's goal against Lazio, Serginho's goal which was a foul on Cafu, generous extra time ..etc) but you cannot accept the ref to make mistakes in favour of other teams especially Juve because they are the ones who are racing with you for the Scudetto..
Your are talking about QUESTIONABLE calls ..I AM TALKIGN ABOUT BLATANT ERRORS....Cafu ...did he push him or not? Was he outside the box or not? WE are talking about two goals which were not deserved..JUVE were given TWO GOALS. See the difference.....there are questionable calls every week...there are blatant calls with Juve every year...(Last year Bologna anyone? Zambrotta's infamous DIVE).

++ [ originally posted by ZAF3000 ] ++
So please enough with the ref favour Juve song... Its really getting boring.
Its getting boring because it has been occuring year after year...and in some instances it decided the Scudetto. It really is getting tiring because the REFS are running out of excuses.
 

Stu

Senior Member
Jul 14, 2002
17,557
++ [ originally posted by Orgut ] ++
Capello is our coach and is one of the best managers ever so if he made a subtitution and he said it is a tactical just trust him he didn`t get that reputation for nothing...
If neddy plays we will kick Real`s ass if not I guess it will be harder but we still have a chance
Even the best managers make mistakes and the last thing I feel compelled to do is trust Capello. His résumé suggests that I should trust him, but so did Trapattoni's. I know that his decision was tactical, but I think that his decision was tactically incorrect. Capello, or Crapello as some may prefer, is far too negative for my liking. If he continues like this and we win something then fine, but sooner or later we're going to pay the price.
 

alexz1011

New Member
Jun 29, 2004
1
Hi ppl,

Im a newbie here. i've been a member since last year, but the activities in my school prevented me from being active in this forum, so this is my first posting.


anyway, great to see juve won in roma :cool: :D, even though capello took some wrong decisions, lets just hope the same thing wont happen in turin for the battle with real madrid.


JUVE ROCKSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
 

Stu

Senior Member
Jul 14, 2002
17,557
++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++

I wonder what would have happened if Capello had kept Del Piero on the entire match, not doing anything about Mancini on the right of the pitch. I wonder if we still would have won the match? Would our side, who I might add was already sitting back to begin with at the start of the second half, be able to cope with attacks from both flanks instead of just the left with Cassano?

Pulling Del Piero off would not have made much difference because we were already sitting back, with Alex having to play more defense than he is supposed to. It's basically making a player do a job that he is not accustomed to do, having a forward stay back and play defense. What is the point of that? We already had the "defense first" mindset even when Del Piero was still on the pitch, so what is the difference?

I know some of you love to bag on Capello for evey single thing, however this was not the time to do it. Keeping a forward on the pitch to just play defense is absolute stupidity.
I agree with you, leaving Del Piero on the pitch to defend would have been stupid, but why defend in the first place? I understand bringing in Pessotto to a certain extent, what I don't understand is why we decided to defend for 45 minutes when only leading by one goal against a team that is good in attack and quite average in defence. We should have kept the pressure on but instead we let Roma come at us. We did the same against Real in Spain and lost, and if we do it again on Wednesday we're certainly going to be knocked out of the CL. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that we can rely on a sturdy backline, but I wish we were a bit more adventurous and tried to pick apart inferior teams instead of settling for 1-0, or in this case 2-1. As opposed to trying to put games beyond doubt we allow the opposition to get back into the match.
 

Stu

Senior Member
Jul 14, 2002
17,557
++ [ originally posted by alexz1011 ] ++
Hi ppl,

Im a newbie here. i've been a member since last year, but the activities in my school prevented me from being active in this forum, so this is my first posting.


anyway, great to see juve won in roma :cool: :D, even though capello took some wrong decisions, lets just hope the same thing wont happen in turin for the battle with real madrid.


JUVE ROCKSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
Welcome and enjoy your stay.
 

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