[Seria A] Bologna - Juventus (2 Viewers)

[JuveCampione]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


LEARN TO READ:

The Keeper was WAY OFF HIS LINE before Pirlo took a step to kick...the REF over-looked that by over-looking Seedorf's early run as well.

P.S. IT WAS 6-0 not 1-0.

The shirt tug..Sell that shit to the tourists....THOSE CALLS much like pushing in the box are called at the grass roots level and not at this level. Shirts are tugged 90% of the game without so much as a whistle...a free kick with minutes ticking away: feed that ICE to the Eskimos.
Interestingly no one comments on the two take downs.

Pagluica said it best to the REF: "ALLORA DEVONO VINCERE E BASTA..."
"So basically THEY have to win...bottom line...Right?"

If the referee thought the goalkeeper was out of his line, he should have given another penalty (considering that Seedorf also made an illegal action), what is this rubbish?
The 6-0 score is irrelevant, and it was 0-0 when the goal was scored.

Another thing, yes it's not allowed to grab someone shirt. back to your game, the penalty you got was for the same reason, isn't it?!?
As I remember, a Reggina goal against you was disallowed for a slight push, am I right?

Now about the penalty appeals, the second one was a clear dive! the first one I'm not so sure about. It's obvious Cipriani added a dive, but maybe he was also fouled, that was not clear. Anyway that was the referee decision and I'm sure it was not to help Juve, and it was what the referee realy thought about the incident

 

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[Daddi]

I think so too JuveCampione! good to hear!

 

[Maresca]

++ [ originally posted by David del Ibra ] ++
I don´t think Capello values Del Piero at all.
What will happen when Trezeguet gets back?

the same as in the start of the season:
1st game: DP-Trez
2nd game: Zlatan-Trez
3rd game: DP-Zlatan

and so on...

 

[Maresca]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Oh please Seven, denco, and Vinny. Zlatan has over 8 assists thus far in the season, which is a fairly large total. Yes he does tend to hang on to the ball for a bit longer than we would like, but sometimes it benefits us (ie setting up DP's goal in Munich). He can only improve on that aspect of his game. For his first few months at Juventus he has certainly met my expectations. Walking into this club on September 1st and becoming our most threatening striker is pretty damn good to me.

one bad game from zlatan, and everybody is getting crazy...

 

[slack]

++ [ originally posted by JuveCampione ] ++

If the referee thought the goalkeeper was out of his line, he should have given another penalty (considering that Seedorf also made an illegal action), what is this rubbish?
The 6-0 score is irrelevant, and it was 0-0 when the goal was scored.

Another thing, yes it's not allowed to grab someone shirt. back to your game, the penalty you got was for the same reason, isn't it?!?
As I remember, a Reggina goal against you was disallowed for a slight push, am I right?

Now about the penalty appeals, the second one was a clear dive! the first one I'm not so sure about. It's obvious Cipriani added a dive, but maybe he was also fouled, that was not clear. Anyway that was the referee decision and I'm sure it was not to help Juve, and it was what the referee realy thought about the incident

The Milan fan you're replying to is probably taking issue with consistency. It is considered OK if Seedorf violated the rules because the keeper did the same. It is also OK that shirt tugs are condoned because everybody else does it. Basically, it can be concluded that Pieri has been consistently poor and just about lost it totally near the end. A bad referee most definitely. A corrupt referee the moment Juventus is involved, undoubtedly. That's how consistent he is.

 

[Maresca]

well, juve and milan must work together to convinte the people that juve and milan are not favoured by the refs....

 

[ZhiXin]

++ [ originally posted by Maresca78 ] ++


the same as in the start of the season:
1st game: DP-Trez
2nd game: Zlatan-Trez
3rd game: DP-Zlatan

and so on...

Same thought, 1 of each 3 striker will be assured that he will have a definite replacement if he were to be injured. But overall I prefer Trez-Zlatan partnership best. This partnership is the most lethal IMO, 1 mad finisher + another mad assister. Hope to see Trez returns soon.

 

[ZhiXin]

Agnelli Heir Sends SMS Of Apology To Bologna Owner
12/14/2004 12:53:00 PM
Bologna supremo Giusppe Gazzoni Frascara revealed that one of the most important heirs to the Agnelli empire Lapo Elkann sent him an SMS after the contested Bologna-Juventus match apologizing for the way in which the Bianconeri won in the Dall'Ara.
“He wrote to me that he doesn’t like to win in this way. That Bologna didn’t deserve to lose like that,” said Gazzoni, before blasting the match’s referee Pieri.

“I’m disgusted. It’s a scandal. I respect referees, but I must say something in-front of what Pieri did. I don’t think he was in control of himself. I wonder whether he had the right mental equilibrium to direct this match,” he said.

“Already earlier this season we had problems with Pieri (against Roma). He clearly penalized us against Juventus,” he added.

Bologna believe Pieri helped Juventus defeat them on Sunday with a series of questionable calls that included two penalties denied to Cipriani and an invented foul on the edge of the Bologna box that allowed Nedved to win the game on the stroke of the final whistle.

Lapo Elkann is the grand-son of the late charismatic FIAT chairman Gianni Agnelli, and is expected to take over the Bianconeri's reigns in the near future.

source: goal.com

 

[bianconeri6]

++ [ originally posted by azzurri7 ] ++


When Dp will get to his best, i don't mean the maximum best, but to his great level, Capello wont be able to subs him.

i agree alessandro is a great
if it comes down to it cl knock out
alessandro and treze are my pics
probably if thing go on in thi way zlatan will come on

 

[bianconeri6]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Oh please Seven, denco, and Vinny. Zlatan has over 8 assists thus far in the season, which is a fairly large total. Yes he does tend to hang on to the ball for a bit longer than we would like, but sometimes it benefits us (ie setting up DP's goal in Munich). He can only improve on that aspect of his game. For his first few months at Juventus he has certainly met my expectations. Walking into this club on September 1st and becoming our most threatening striker is pretty damn good to me.

so would you say that he plays to his strength then

IMO -- yes

but alessandro has tons more strengths
you also have to look at the amt of times he loses the ball as compared to dp

 

[Azzurri7]

++ [ originally posted by Maresca78 ] ++


one bad game from zlatan, and everybody is getting crazy...

No one is going crazy, but tell some of your mates to stop criticizing Dp

 

[Desmond]

++ [ originally posted by denco ] ++
Not the best of performances but it was not that boring a match to me.

But like Vinnyman, I am flabbergasted and disgusted that Dp gets to be subbed every time irrespective of how he is performing and I cannot believe he has not let rip yet. Its all well and good being a model professional and all that but he is the captain for goodness sakes and it cannot be good for his ego and all that to be always subbed when your strike partner puts in a very ordinary performance but he gets to play the full matches. Its either that or Dp has totally lost his motivation for the game cos I am pretty sure, I would definitely have been having words with hte manager.

I dont know if any of u watch British Eurosperts but aint it annoying how the commentators go over the top when it comes to Zlatan, yes he has natural football skills but he has no clue how to play the game whatsoever, keep it simple is something he has no idea how to do and passing the ball at the right time when your team mate is free is not in his make up, he has to act the big shot all the time, the show stopper, the main event , when just being part of the cast will suffice.

great post my man.

 

[swag]

Well, I did a slow-motion replay of the end of this match a couple days later. While I still don't agree with Pieri's call, as it was pretty marginal in a game so closely contended, it was clear from the video that there was an obvious shirt tug in clear sight of Pieri. Furthermore, the shirt tug on Zlatan was used as leverage by the Bologna defender to gain a positional advantage to head the ball away.

So Pieri was right within the letter of the rulebook. But I don't think the severity and the context called for it.

Still, what's done is done. Awarding the free kick wasn't like awarding a penalty kick... let alone awarding an automatic winning goal with Bologna given no chance to equalize. Nedved had to convert it, and Pagliuca wasn't a slouch out there all day.

I hate it when people get so myopically focused on a single incident or questionable call as if to suggest the entire fate of the game afterwards was dictated by it (let alone what preceeded it). Some people are still blaming a Chicago Cubs fan for interfering with a foul ball for their last 96 years without a World Series pennant. :groan:

 

[Martin]

++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++
Well, I did a slow-motion replay of the end of this match a couple days later. While I still don't agree with Pieri's call, as it was pretty marginal in a game so closely contended, it was clear from the video that there was an obvious shirt tug in clear sight of Pieri. Furthermore, the shirt tug on Zlatan was used as leverage by the Bologna defender to gain a positional advantage to head the ball away.

So Pieri was right within the letter of the rulebook. But I don't think the severity and the context called for it.

Still, what's done is done. Awarding the free kick wasn't like awarding a penalty kick... let alone awarding an automatic winning goal with Bologna given no chance to equalize. Nedved had to convert it, and Pagliuca wasn't a slouch out there all day.

I hate it when people get so myopically focused on a single incident or questionable call as if to suggest the entire fate of the game afterwards was dictated by it (let alone what preceeded it). Some people are still blaming a Chicago Cubs fan for interfering with a foul ball for their last 96 years without a World Series pennant. :groan:

Had it been wasted, noone would have said a word surely but that's the way it is. It probably felt bad to lose and thus the outrage. Didn't see the game so I don't know but I can't say I enjoy these moments. Don't get me wrong, it *is* fun sometimes to stick it to your rivals, in particular those who always occupy the moral high ground, but it does put a damper on the celebration surely.

 

[JuveCampione]

++ [ originally posted by slack ] ++


The Milan fan you're replying to is probably taking issue with consistency. It is considered OK if Seedorf violated the rules because the keeper did the same. It is also OK that shirt tugs are condoned because everybody else does it. Basically, it can be concluded that Pieri has been consistently poor and just about lost it totally near the end. A bad referee most definitely. A corrupt referee the moment Juventus is involved, undoubtedly. That's how consistent he is.

True, the rival fans think all the wrong referee calls goes in our favour. Either their team get screwed by a wrong decision (and thus doing us a favour), or we get awarded in our own game. Yeah that's ridiculous, but it will never change.

Still, what's done is done. Awarding the free kick wasn't like awarding a penalty kick... let alone awarding an automatic winning goal with Bologna given no chance to equalize. Nedved had to convert it, and Pagliuca wasn't a slouch out there all day.

Agreed. It's not like the referee took the ball and shoot it to Bologna net.

 

[Holdon]

Remember, our enemies are waiting for questionable descions from refs. The same people who stay slient when Brescia score a winning goal Vs Udinese despite their keeper lying injured.

 

[Layce Erayce]

not just that, theyre also waiting for arnold schwarzenegger lookalikes.

some anti-juve journalists are trying to seduce capello, hoping to find breasts under his shirt and estrogen medication in his bathroom. the dopers that we are...

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++


What's your problem here mate, how can we help you?

Maybe you can help us!! Mods!! please open a forum for Mr.Incuberlurayri to teach the Juventini how to debate. All he seems to say is that we don't know how to debate and we don't know how to talk football, FFS let him release all his frustration and start teaching

Stop trying to get help from others just because you happen to cheer for the same TEAM. This WE is a pathetic attempt from you.
You are the one that can't debate and hide behind the JUVE FAN VEIL to get some help.
Secondly Junior, learn to crawl before you walk..ask around: no one questions my point of view just because it does not coincide with the majority. You want to argue football with me ..I'm all ears. You want to run and duck: your loss.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

Pieri's OFFICIATING was GOD AWFUL. Bottom line.
The fact that one of the six goals Milan scored was badly called still does not take away from the fact that Pieri made mistakes. What is with this line of reasoning? THAT WAS A DIFFERENT GAME. The issue here is Pieri's officiating. How does the Seedorf goal help deciding whether or not Pieri was right?

Further more, given the Zambrotta dive last season against the same team it is no surprise to see this kind of SHOCK from Bologna and the PRESS. Two of the worse officiated games involved the same team..with the same team getting 3 points that MAY not have been deserving.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++

I hate it when people get so myopically focused on a single incident or questionable call as if to suggest the entire fate of the game afterwards was dictated by it (let alone what preceeded it).

there were literally MINUTES left in the game. No free kick. No goal. no three points.