[Seria A] Ascoli- Juventus (3 Viewers)

Stephan

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Nov 9, 2005
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Seven said:
Actually I'm glad Zlatan's playing like shit now as well.

a) That way he'll be there four to five weeks before the end of the championship and that still is the most important period.
b) It's better for the team in the long run if Del Piero is restored as a starter. I think we play more fluently with him than we do with Zlatan.

yes but ibra is the future and we need to start with this guy so he could use to play as a starter for every game probably 2 years later.....or



and why it is better for the team? your saying like ibra s-cks so much that he deservs only backup position in our team?

I mean he wasnt my favorite also...well, i didnt like that he didnt score in CL last season...but this season i see that when his not playing we sometimes miss something(like against roma...thought cap was stupid that he didnt use dp from the start...why i dont know? i mean its good to use expierenced player...i really didnt know why he started zala-mutu)
 

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Alex Del Mexico
May 7, 2004
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Seven said:
Sure they do, but in the end his tricks are something you can learn. The key to being a good football player are the skills Del Piero has. Ronaldinho's tricks aren't what makes him such a good player.
I know they aren't, it's not about his tricks, it's about his skill. Personally, I see much more skill in Ronaldinho than any other player on the planet.

Sure I might be able to do one of the tricks if I practice for 5 years, but there's no way I'll ever be able to incorporate it for the good of the team like he does.

Dp's main skill I'm jealous of is his ability to hit half volleys so cleanly. (Not sure if that term's used in Europe, it just mean like a shot out of the air)
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Sir Sebastian said:
I know they aren't, it's not about his tricks, it's about his skill. Personally, I see much more skill in Ronaldinho than any other player on the planet.

Sure I might be able to do one of the tricks if I practice for 5 years, but there's no way I'll ever be able to incorporate it for the good of the team like he does.

Dp's main skill I'm jealous of is his ability to hit half volleys so cleanly. (Not sure if that term's used in Europe, it just mean like a shot out of the air)

That is a nice skill indeed. I still believe his best asset is his ball control though. He really puts the ball down nicely. Better than any other player on the planet IMO.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Stephan said:
yes but ibra is the future and we need to start with this guy so he could use to play as a starter for every game probably 2 years later.....or


and why it is better for the team? your saying like ibra s-cks so much that he deservs only backup position in our team?

I mean he wasnt my favorite also...well, i didnt like that he didnt score in CL last season...but this season i see that when his not playing we sometimes miss something(like against roma...thought cap was stupid that he didnt use dp from the start...why i dont know? i mean its good to use expierenced player...i really didnt know why he started zala-mutu)
So what you're saying is that we should play Zlatan as a starter so that he could be a starter in 2 years time? Hmm.
 

Stephan

Senior Member
Nov 9, 2005
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Seven said:
Sure they do, but in the end his tricks are something you can learn. The key to being a good football player are the skills Del Piero has. Ronaldinho's tricks aren't what makes him such a good player.


:shocked2: :confused2 imo ronaldinho is all about tricks and thats the one of the reasons why his good....he can do whenever he wants his trick and he has no problem doing them....and that way opponent team players cant predict what is ronaldinho next move...unlike some other players...


??? maybe explaine more...
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Stephan said:
:shocked2: :confused2 imo ronaldinho is all about tricks and thats the one of the reasons why his good....he can do whenever he wants his trick and he has no problem doing them....and that way opponent team players cant predict what is ronaldinho next move...unlike some other players...


??? maybe explaine more...
It's like C.Ronaldo's stepovers. It's all nice to watch, but in the end he mostly goes by defenders thanks to his speed, not thanks to the stepovers.
 

Dominic

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Jan 30, 2004
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Menace said:
Totally agree, great post

Sadomin said:
Thank you for the summary Dominic.
Thanks guys.

Cronios said:
very good report though i wonder what makes u think Canna was better than Thuram in tjis particular game?
the goal situation was a litle complicated, i dont blame anyone specific, but Canna wasnt in his place and if he was the traiectory of the ball would have hit him,IMO other than that, he tried to clear 3times the ball using his hands on the Ascoli's players, two times that costs us some FK outside our box
and for a last note his bad comunication with Buffon almost cost us one goal once,
Thuram on the other hand, although old,finished, tired from the Roma game,
intercepted balls, players about 10 times,did no mistakes, was in his place in the goal play(between the ball and the player) and he would have intercepted it too if it wasnt that perfect or if his team players(Canna+Zambro) let a litle less space to Acoli players from the left side,he also stepped forward and helped our midfield many times, what else he sould do to worth a 7? 6.5 atleast
Thanks for the compliment first. While I somewhat agree that Thuram made some crucial interceptions, I do think Thuram in particular should've done better at the conceded goal. When Comotto crossed the ball, Thuram, instead of covering at least one of the two attackers, stood there undecided what to do and decided to cover none of the Ascoli attackers. And about Cannavaro, it's just something about his presence, leadership and his grit that impresses me a lot.
 

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Alex Del Mexico
May 7, 2004
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Seven said:
That is a nice skill indeed. I still believe his best asset is his ball control though. He really puts the ball down nicely. Better than any other player on the planet IMO.

There's only so much you can do with bringing a ball down though. He might be the best at it, and do it perfectly 100% of the time, but I can bring a ball down like that as well.

Then of course, being able to bring the ball down perfectly 10 times in a match is more useful than being able to crack a ridiculous goal once from ten games.
 

3pac

Alex Del Mexico
May 7, 2004
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Seven said:
It's like C.Ronaldo's stepovers. It's all nice to watch, but in the end he mostly goes by defenders thanks to his speed, not thanks to the stepovers.

When you make a defender fall down without touching him, there has to be more than speed at work. :p
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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Sir Sebastian said:
There's only so much you can do with bringing a ball down though. He might be the best at it, and do it perfectly 100% of the time, but I can bring a ball down like that as well.
Then of course, being able to bring the ball down perfectly 10 times in a match is more useful than being able to crack a ridiculous goal once from ten games.
Trust me, you can't. I'm not talking about bringing a ball down so that you have it under control. Sometimes he even manages to "dribble" past a defender when bringing it down. And when he controls it, the ball really is dead. When we control it, it's always still moving.
 

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Alex Del Mexico
May 7, 2004
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Seven said:
It's like C.Ronaldo's stepovers. It's all nice to watch, but in the end he mostly goes by defenders thanks to his speed, not thanks to the stepovers.

When you make a defender fall down without touching him, there has to be more than speed at work. :p


And C. Ronaldo is a better example of someone who is just tricks. He has tricks, but can't play for shit IMO. I saw him live once and wasn't impressed at all.
 

THE CHAMPIONS

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Jan 18, 2006
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Congratulations guys we played amagnificent first half with a strang annderstanding between Dp Camo & Trezy this is the first time I see these 3 players in such anderstanding & playing without even lookink they were the men of the match with Trezy of course taking the highest grade, I wished we continue like the 1st half but the 3 points is what matter, Ibra didnt get any ball today except 1 or2 may be and nobod could judje him but I think he will start against Roma on Thursday.
 

Stephan

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Nov 9, 2005
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Seven said:
So what you're saying is that we should play Zlatan as a starter so that he could be a starter in 2 years time? Hmm.
no i mean you said its better for the team if we start dp...but dp might retire like next year or something...i mean right now if a player plays shit then we can always sub him, because we have so good qualitystrikers, but like 2 years later maybe dp retires and maybe trez is sold...and then all the pressure in on Zlatan...i just dont think zlatan feels the pressure right now...i think capello gives him freedom in the games, he can create his own stuff...but maybe 2 years later we already have some other new faces in the team and then zlatan might feel pressure much more....

thats my point...
 

3pac

Alex Del Mexico
May 7, 2004
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Seven said:
Trust me, you can't. I'm not talking about bringing a ball down so that you have it under control. Sometimes he even manages to "dribble" past a defender when bringing it down. And when he controls it, the ball really is dead. When we control it, it's always still moving.

I'm not saying I can do it as well as DP, but I can do it. Ball control has been by far my best ability since I was little, but plenty of people are able to do that, just not with such a high completion rate as DP (and he makes it look much prettier, but that falls into the flair category for which you don't seem to rate as important)
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
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Dec 16, 2003
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Dominic said:
A 'quick' summary of the match:

Glad to see us playing such a convincing first half, the first 20 minutes in particular . Some easy flowing combinations, nice for a change. Especially Del Piero and Trezeguet finding each other and leading the frontline, like they should. Ofcourse Ascoli's defence was chaos, but i'd still like to complement our attack for a job well done. A hattrick for Trezeguet within 20 minutes, must be the one of the quickist hattricks ever. The first half for the rest of the duration was quite open, with a pretty opportunistic Ascoli daring to attack. One lapse in concentration resulted in Ascoli's goal; Cannavaro and Thuram were late, Vieira couldn't keep up with Ascoli's Comotto and Zambrotta was out of position. After that though, we didn't allow Ascoli to create such chances anymore.

Second half was pretty uneventful in contrast to the first. We slowed down the tempo and killed off the match. It might not be the supporters choise of tactic, but the smarter tactic. With a busy schedule, preserving energy instead of going for more goals in an already won match is the best thing to do. Ascoli didn't get anymore shots at goal, though we created only a few chances ourselves. Subsitute Ibrahimovic was wasteful with the biggest chance of the second half; trying to control the ball instead of directly passing to the open Zalayeta. Oh well, few players are interested in coming on as a sub in these kind of matches.....

Though Ascoli was awful in defence, all in all a job well done and quite an easy day of work. I hope we keep it up.


Player ratings:

Buffon: Uneventful day, gave me the feeling of leading the defensive line well. Not at fault at the goal conceded. 6(hard to rate though)

Zebina: Quite impressed by him actually. Offers a lot of athletisisme, with his strength,agility and speed, to our aging central defence. Good going forward as well, calm and skilled and even dribbled well. Keep it up Zebina. 6.5

Thuram: Played a good match, but can't help but feel that age is catching up with him. His impressive moments sadly mix up with the lacklustre moments, such was the case at the goal conceded goal. Luckily did notice any real decline today. 6

Cannavaro: Played the way we know him. Could've done better, to prevent the 1-3 though. 6+

Zambrotta: He IS better on the left. There was something really familiar on seeing him on the leftside of the field with Zebina back on the right. A dynamic performance by Zambrotta today, bombed down the left well and active in the defence. Had a tough time with Foggia in the first half. He dealt pretty well with Foggia though, especially in the second half where Foggia didn't get to touch the ball anymore. 6.5

Camoranesi: Good and active match. I think Camo is having a good season, contrary to claims of certain pundits. He's had a few less impressive matches this season, but even the lesser matches have been decent. Two assists today, which means he is our topassister once again. His overall contribution was excellent today. Would be a huge loss, were he really to leave at the end of the season. 7

Emerson: More of the Emerson I want to see, opposite to the Empoli match. Won us a lot of balls and was both aggresive and our 'beacon of calmth'. 6+

Vieira: Ditto as Emerson, improved on his performance against Empoli. Still has a tendency of getting cards though and a little ball hoggish at times. 6

Nedved: I do think our team has the knack of performing better with Nedved in it. He himself might not perform, but the team benefits from his presence somehow. Nedved has had a hot and cold season so far, with luckily falling into the hot category today. Active in the first half and very dynamic in his movement. Quiet in the second half, but most of the team was. 6.5

Del Piero: I felt an old chemistry between him and Trezeguet was restored today, with Del Piero as the provider and Trezeguet as the finisher. DP's passes were well directed towards his teammates, especially around the box. Involved in every attack that led to a goal, and assisted one. Very active and some nice moves, especially his contribution to the 2-0 was formidable. 7.5!

Trezeguet: Quite active and scored an hattrick. His goals speak volumes. Man of the match. 8


Any comments ?
good post, Dominic. I like the way you also explained Pavel's sitiuation.
 

Esteban

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I normally hate using the word 'OWNED' but I feel it's in its place since someone became awfully quiet after I posted that picture of a gipsy.

Anyway, have a nice week all real Juventus fans and not Del Piero onlies. Bye now.
 

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