Sergio Agüero - ST - Atletico Madrid (28 Viewers)

[Fint]

So a player that has scored over a hundred goals for his club since joining 5 years ago, is only 23, still hasn't hit his peak yet and has his best years ahead of him and has 25 caps with 9 goal in a star studded national team attackline is overhyped/overrated?



That's a hoot. It really is.

+ rep, for telling it like it is!

 

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[Hust]

I don't get why it's a problem for these players to not be a one man team.

Aguero is more of a goal scorer, so needs people to create chances/space for him.

Sanchez is more creative, so needs a striker who will move well and give him the opportunity to create for the main striker.

I also find it rather interesting that Juve have just set their sights on getting a good player for the attack, rather than looking for a particular type of player.

He may be more of a goal scorer, but he has no problem creating assists either. Along with his 102 goals he also has 37 assists. For a striker that scores that many goals it is freakin' insane that he still produces the goods for other people to put the ball in the back of the net.

So, I can't see how the "theory he can't lead an attack" is even plausible. That theory, statistically, is shot to hell.

 

[baggio]

Tevez is the better player, and your argument can be extended to Sanchez in that Di Natale is the main scoring threat for Udine. Same scenario under your assumptions.

Sure Tevez is the better player, no doubt. I think he'd be perfect for us right now. My reasons for preceding the Chilean isn't because he would carry the attack, Sanchez may be as dependent as Aguero, but he isn't coming with a 45m clause and 7m salary. He's also more versatile, and would work better in a 433 than Aguero perhaps, if we did try working that. Which is why I'd prefer him over Aguero.

 

[Zacheryah]

I don't get why it's a problem for these players to not be a one man team.

Aguero is more of a goal scorer, so needs people to create chances/space for him.

Sanchez is more creative, so needs a striker who will move well and give him the opportunity to create for the main striker.

I also find it rather interesting that Juve have just set their sights on getting a good player for the attack, rather than looking for a particular type of player.

I think that they first want to get the key player, then buy the neccecary support for him.


With aguero i think the 4-4-2(or4-2-4) makes more sence, while sanchez leaves the door open for a 4-3-3, him and krasic beeing wing forwards.

the 4-2-4 would need bastos to work
whilst a 4-3-3 definatly needs inler in that midfield


bastos or inler so to say

 

[Zacheryah]

So a player that has scored over a hundred goals for his club since joining 5 years ago, is only 23, still hasn't hit his peak yet and has his best years ahead of him and has 25 caps with 9 goal in a star studded national team attackline is overhyped/overrated?



That's a hoot. It really is.

Wow, i never tought about how many he allready scored, but this is just crazy

 

[baggio]

I have no idea what Baggio is on, but I'd assume that's some good shit from Goa.

Yea, I'm going to pass it on, the next time you're down, weatherman. That goa trip never happened huh?

 

[Fint]

Just reading on TJuve that a decision on the future of Aguero was supposed to be decided by June 15th?

 

[Bjerknes]

Sure Tevez is the better player, no doubt. I think he'd be perfect for us right now. My reasons for preceding the Chilean isn't because he would carry the attack, Sanchez may be as dependent as Aguero, but he isn't coming with a 45m clause and 7m salary. He's also more versatile, and would work better in a 433 than Aguero perhaps, if we did try working that. Which is why I'd prefer him over Aguero.

The difference is that Aguero is proven quality. Sanchez? Ehh, not so much. Had a great half season last year and previously one good season. He is nothing like Aguero who has a proven, consistent track record.

 

[Hust]

Wow, i never tought about how many he allready scored, but this is just crazy

I'm sure it was just luck though.

 

[Bjerknes]

Yea, I'm going to pass it on, the next time you're down, weatherman. That goa trip never happened huh?

So many places to travel to, so little time and money. Next trip is definitely Turin and then Brazil for the World Cup. Maybe Goa in another couple years.

 

[Red]

He may be more of a goal scorer, but he has no problem creating assists either. Along with his 102 goals he also has 37 assists. For a striker that scores that many goals it is freakin' insane that he still produces the goods for other people to put the ball in the back of the net.

It's not that he can't assist, as you say.

It's more considering what his focus is and then wondering who he should be paired with.

I'm not going to say Aguero and Matri couldn't work, but I don't think it would get the best out of either of them, while Sanchez and Matri would suit each other pretty well I'd imagine.

I'd like to see Aguero playing with Quaglierella, because he moves well and could link up with Aguero, where Matri doesn't move about as much or link up so well.

So, I can't see how the "theory he can't lead an attack" is even plausible. That theory, statistically, is shot to hell.

Depends what you mean by leading the attack.

Leading the attack to me is more about style of play than quality.

I'd say, for instance, that in a Iaquinta-Del Piero pairing, Iaquinta is leading the line because he would be the focal point.

Del Piero, of course, would still be the main man, though.

 

[Hust]

The difference is that Aguero is proven quality. Sanchez? Ehh, not so much. Had a great half season last year and previously one good season. He is nothing like Aguero who has a proven, consistent track record.

Yeah. Let's just go ahead and base his consistent scoring record in Europe since he was a teenager on luck and brush it under the rug.

Sanchez is the way to go because he has "Serie A" experience.

 

[Zacheryah]

I'm sure it was just luck though.

that reminded me of that fluke goal iaquinta did with his knee this winter

 

[baggio]

The difference is that Aguero is proven quality. Sanchez? Ehh, not so much. Had a great half season last year and previously one good season. He is nothing like Aguero who has a proven, consistent track record.

From the three we're debating, the only one whose truly proven and will in all likelihood live up to his price tag, is by a country mile, Carlos Tevez.

 

[baggio]

So many places to travel to, so little time and money. Next trip is definitely Turin and then Brazil for the World Cup. Maybe Goa in another couple years.

Torino next for the new stadium? I was thinking maybe Barca this year, but let's see. Brazil is so doable for you, that's keel. But man, that India trips been long overdue. Been talking about it since what '04?!

 

[Hust]

It's not that he can't assist, as you say.

It's more considering what his focus is and then wondering who he should be paired with.

I'm not going to say Aguero and Matri couldn't work, but I don't think it would get the best out of either of them, while Sanchez and Matri would suit each other pretty well I'd imagine.

I'd like to see Aguero playing with Quaglierella, because he moves well and could link up with Aguero, where Matri doesn't move about as much or link up so well.

Depends what you mean by leading the attack.

Leading the attack to me is more about style of play than quality.

I'd say, for instance, that in a Iaquinta-Del Piero pairing, Iaquinta is leading the line because he would be the focal point.

Del Piero, of course, would still be the main man, though.

I think Matri knows where to be and when...he has the smarts IMO positionally. Kun is a one man battleship albeit small is incredibly hard to mark and can score from just about anywhere. I don't see much difference in Kun/DP other than the latter is the better FK taker. I think Matri, once paired up with Kun and learn each others movements would be great. I think Matri has a bright future ahead of him if he can keep putting away the chances. He did well at Cagliari without a great SS beside him and still managed to score 9-10 there and almost doubling that the second half of the season.

IMO if he can switch teams like that half way through a season and continue that form it says a lot. I'm sure if you put a younger DP next to him he would do even better. That's what I'm thinking would happen with Kun there.

Not to mention how strong Matri is aerially if we get a good LM coupled with Krasic opposite throwing in some nice crosses he will score that way as well. Corners, FKs, etc.

 

[baggio]

It's not that he can't assist, as you say.

It's more considering what his focus is and then wondering who he should be paired with.

I'm not going to say Aguero and Matri couldn't work, but I don't think it would get the best out of either of them, while Sanchez and Matri would suit each other pretty well I'd imagine.

I'd like to see Aguero playing with Quaglierella, because he moves well and could link up with Aguero, where Matri doesn't move about as much or link up so well.

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I'd say Sanchez would be more compliant with bot Quag and Matri than Aguero would, and he'd also work equally effectively in both, the 424 and 433. For my money, and Juve's, I don't think Aguero would. But I guess I'm in the minority here, with only Hustini agreeing with me wholeheartedly

 

[Zacheryah]

From the three we're debating, the only one whose truly proven and will in all likelihood live up to his price tag, is by a country mile, Carlos Tevez.

Tevez is a mental wreckage

He'll be good on the field and destroy the dressing room right after
he leads to self destruction sooner or later.


aguero actually never complained untill what he said about real, and performed all those years

little statistic :

tevez is 4 years older(27), and scored 120 goals in 261 games,50 of those were scored in south america, 70 in europe
aguero, is just 23, and scored 112 goals in 268 games, 23 in south america, and 89 in 5 seasons athletico, who are not quite the team man utd or city are.

I honestly think people overrate tevez

 

[Badass J Elkann]

it is as though people who moan about the lack of quality, reject it when it is served up on a plate

 

[adriano_c]

I prefer Tevez to both Sanchez and Aguero.

Agreed.