Sebastian Giovinco (45 Viewers)

Would you bring Giovinco back next season?

  • Yeah, we could use him

  • Nope, get rid of him


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Dec 31, 2008
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I don't think so. Ale is the smarter and mature, and certainly more classier player of the two. But when it comes to skill, Messi is better. I'm not saying the difference is huge, but Messi is surely more skillful.
Del Piero's skill is not just polished and exquisite but it's immensely vast. It's not just the dribbling skill to get past the defense but the skill with the deadball, the skill to unlock a tight defense even without much pace. Messi's acceleration he generates is one attribute that he is clearly better at and no one knows if he will become better skilled than Alex. I don't think so tbh.
 

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WΏΏdy?

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Dec 23, 2005
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Bah, our coaches were crap, he was played out of position and sporadicly. Parma gave him continuity and boom!! results right there.

People tend to blame all on him for those bad games w ehad in those seasons, but most of our top players also failed to save the sinking ship that was our team that season, yet no one gets the short stick in the way he get it in here :lol:

Give him time to perform and then judge. If he flops, we sell.

As simple as that. There is too much drama going on around him in this forum,
Parma gave continuity to Amauri too, and guess what? "BOOM" his scoring rate was better than the midget.

He indeed bitched, so what? he already explained why. PAst chapter.
Really?

"fuck off hydde, you try too hard and is a moron"

before you jump on me let me explain, i said that coz i felt like it, also coz i was in a bad mood. Now that ive explained the reason why i am moaning its a PAst chapter? :howler:

Lets leave the bitching argument aside, it has nothing to do with him as a player. It doesn't make him better or worse on the pitch.
Why should we leave the bitching argument aside? Ive never claimed that it makes him a worse player on the pitch. Its strange really, i was expecting you to at least admit he made a mistake and should have apologised but you do the same as other fanboys and make silly arguments and excuses.

Aah, but what you're not taking into account is his position within the team and on the pitch, his improvement in skill and talent from the last time he played for us, and also how he'll be utilized this season. 2 very different scenarios, not a proper comparison IMO.
I'm not saying talent and player wise he is not an improvement. I never claimed his transfer as a disaster. But you cannot crop out comparisons according to your convenience. You have to take into account the gio shining at parma does not mean he will shine with us (again, take amauri's example). Also i think he will do good this season and i want him to, but he will always remain a moaning little bitch.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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Why? The 15g11g in facts says a lot more about him than a pacman milan picture. At least on relevant matters, which is, the playing field.
Maybe peeps get mad about it because there is just NO counter argument to facts?. The only response left is to make fun of it to have an argument. Its kinda pathetic, but what can we do?. That tuz for you.

Only delusional fanboys will compare him to DP (which in fact anyone compared to DP would be exposed to bashing because del Piero on his prime was almost as good as Baggio), and everyone knows he has a lot to prove... but unlike some panic buys and random buys from Marotta, this little midget has the numbers and the skills recorded on camera to back him up.

Crucifying a bianconero like him woithout giving him a proper season or two is just plain dumb...specially after all the problems he had previously here.

If instead of ranieri or Delblacks we hired Conte(as inexperienced as he could have been )in that time , or a prick like Zeman who likes to use younger peeps.... im pretty sure another fat girl would have been singing right now and he would have been an stablished serie A player.

Blame it on the incompetence of our rpevious board and Coaches, and dont blame it all on him. Look it at the big picture.
I don't read posts longer than 5 lines.
 
Apr 15, 2006
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WΏΏdy;3784665 said:
I'm not saying talent and player wise he is not an improvement. I never claimed his transfer as a disaster. But you cannot crop out comparisons according to your convenience. You have to take into account the gio shining at parma does not mean he will shine with us (again, take amauri's example). Also i think he will do good this season and i want him to, but he will always remain a moaning little bitch.
I'm not cropping out unreasonable comparisons. All I'm doing is acknowledged that he's better than how he was when he last played here, and that we should hold out till he plays a good no. of games until we pass judgment. The haters here are simply jumping to conclusions that he's terrible and he'll fail, which frankly is absurd!
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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WΏΏdy;3784665 said:
Parma gave continuity to Amauri too, and guess what? "BOOM" his scoring rate was better than the midget.



Really?

"$#@! off hydde, you try too hard and is a moron"

before you jump on me let me explain, i said that coz i felt like it, also coz i was in a bad mood. Now that ive explained the reason why i am moaning its a PAst chapter? :howler:



Why should we leave the bitching argument aside? Ive never claimed that it makes him a worse player on the pitch. Its strange really, i was expecting you to at least admit he made a mistake and should have apologised but you do the same as other fanboys and make silly arguments and excuses.



I'm not saying talent and player wise he is not an improvement. I never claimed his transfer as a disaster. But you cannot crop out comparisons according to your convenience. You have to take into account the gio shining at parma does not mean he will shine with us (again, take amauri's example). Also i think he will do good this season and i want him to, but he will always remain a moaning little bitch.
No, its not that im playing dumb and imagine it didnt happened. Yeh he moaned and bitched and we all got mad... but you know what? Before he turned into that, he was a devoted Juventus player who wanted to show his stuff HERE and not in parma on milan..... but after all the eyars he devoted to this club, he was sold like a concubine who no one wants, and you expect him to speak flowers for for us and say "yeh i was bad i deserve this"?.

Still, he could have avoided the bitching, but at least there are some comprehensive events that led to it.

What im trying to say is that we have potentially a good player in our hands and we need at least try him before ditching him out because of some problems he had with our previous management. He indeed needs to prove that he is a new man now and stop dooing shitty things like Del Piero´s tongue celebration, but as far as i see my team winning left and right...i sincerely dont care.

And amauri..... yeah ill not even comment on what u said. I think i dont need to right?.

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One interesting part of the pro-Giovinco's career up until now argument is that is was bad coach's fault he didn't play all the time for Juventus.
You know that was part of the problem. But like i said, it was not solely on bad coaches, but we had a crap team too, we had a bad management and what not.

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The "I can't be arsed" mood.

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Parma's coach kicks ass in vivid colour it seems.
Not at all,but at least he gave the guy a "properly" go, XD unlike us
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Parma's coach kicks ass in vivid colour it seems.
It seems so. I wonder why he didn't play at Juventus, must be because the coaches were really bad? Not because there were better players in the team, or that he was a tactical conundrum because of his immaturity and physical frailty. None of those things.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
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It seems so. I wonder why he didn't play at Juventus, must be because the coaches were really bad? Not because there were better players in the team, or that he was a tactical conundrum because of his immaturity and physical frailty. None of those things.
it was not solely on bad coaches, but we had a crap team too
Our team was unbalanced, but still there were games that we had nothing to lose, games in where our "masterplan" formation was turned to shit , games we had already a couple goals against us and our players doing who knows what,....and he still was eating bench left and right. That is what bothered me.

But well to finalize, both parties here are veavily speculating on the outcome. Let the midget do what he knows and then lets judge him, shall we? Thx,
 

Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
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It seems so. I wonder why he didn't play at Juventus, must be because the coaches were really bad? Not because there were better players in the team, or that he was a tactical conundrum because of his immaturity and physical frailty. None of those things.
2009 wants its discussions back :p
 

JoePanini

Junior Member
Apr 29, 2012
274
I for one really like the Sebastian is coming back to Turin, he was born a Juventus fan and in his early Primavera years was both dominant and seemingly Del Piero's perfect replacement. They were similar in stature, play style and position, even pace (young Del Piero) and of course free kick ability. And though his talent seemed limitless when he was younger, and I was a huge fan and was incredibly excited at the prospect of having a guy like Giovinco for the future, my opinion has changed. Yes, Juventus' previous managers didn't give him much time or space to play, but all the shit he said about Juventus. How he disrespected the club, I understand he was frustrated but he was supposedly a Juventino to the core, and I don't see how a Juventino would ever go against Juventus. So that cancels out the "he's a Juventino" point, cause clearly he isn't anymore, I hope he still is but honestly I don't believe he is.

And people who talk about his talents now, he is a good player don't get me wrong, but he's nowhere near Alex's quality, seriously I can't believe that is even being debated. Have you seen Giovinco play? Yeah he has some moments of brilliance, but c'mon really? Comparing him to a guy who got a standing ovation at the Bernabeu, the guy who broke into the starting lineup of a star-studded Juventus who were among the best, if not the best in Europe. Actually, I don't even feel the need to debate on the comparison, it's just retarded to even bring it up. And frankly, and I'm not even joking I'd play Vucinic over Giovinco any day.

And finally the "15-11" argument, well I'd like to remind you that he did that playing for Parma... When you play for Juventus, especially Conte's Juventus stats are invaluable. His mentality embodies the word "team". Vucinic didn't have anywhere near the 15-11 gio had? Well if you watched Juventus games you'd see that he won us countless games, and even when he didn't score or get an assist he played well, most of the time. I want to see Giovinco run as much as the current Juve forwards run, and I want to see how many goals Giovinco scores when he isn't the focal point of the offense.

Anyways, I'm honestly happy he's back and gets a chance to prove himself. But you can't really say he's all that, because unlike foreign players we have evidence of him when he actually played for Juve. And that can't be ignored, you can pick all his highlights from his seasons at Parma, but if you do that you should also bring up how he played as a Juve player. And I remember it pretty well, he fell over countless times, he couldn't get passed opponents, didn't have much vision and didn't really play within the team. I hope he proves me wrong, but until he does he doesn't deserve to wear no. 10 and he doesn't deserve all this praise he's getting. A player that plays well for Parma can't be expected to do the same in a Juventus jersey.

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I don't think so. Ale is the smarter and mature, and certainly more classier player of the two. But when it comes to skill, Messi is better. I'm not saying the difference is huge, but Messi is surely more skillful.
Are you comparing Alex now with Messi now? Cause Alex at 23 was pure class.
 

JoePanini

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Apr 29, 2012
274
Only to point out that personal bias can lead to some unreasonable comments.
Well if those comments are truly unreasonable, they can be nullified and countered with hard facts and evidence as well as a proper reply. Of course if they are truly unreasonable, and if you're unable to rebut these unreasonable comments with "reasonable" ones, then I'm not sure whether they really are unreasonable..
 

Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
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Anyways, I'm honestly happy he's back and gets a chance to prove himself. But you can't really say he's all that, because unlike foreign players we have evidence of him when he actually played for Juve. And that can't be ignored, you can pick all his highlights from his seasons at Parma, but if you do that you should also bring up how he played as a Juve player. And I remember it pretty well, he fell over countless times, he couldn't get passed opponents, didn't have much vision and didn't really play within the team. I hope he proves me wrong, but until he does he doesn't deserve to wear no. 10 and he doesn't deserve all this praise he's getting. A player that plays well for Parma can't be expected to do the same in a Juventus jersey.
Dude you just basically ignored everything Giovinco did last season. Your whole post is about ignoring everything he has achieved. And instead, you don't want people to ignore what he did here a few seasons back when he was an inexperienced player.
 

JoePanini

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Apr 29, 2012
274
Dude you just basically ignored everything Giovinco did last season. Your whole post is about ignoring everything he has achieved. And instead, you don't want people to ignore what he did here a few seasons back when he was an inexperienced player.
How is my post bout ignoring everything he has achieved? Firstly, what has achieved? And secondly, I didn't ignore what he did last year. And I didn't ask anyone to ignore it, I just said that what he did last year doesn't make him a world class player and would be an unrealistic expectation of him if you think he'll have those numbers as a Juventus player. I honestly don't know how many Parma games you all watched, but he really wasn't all that great.
 

Suns

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May 22, 2009
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How is my post bout ignoring everything he has achieved? Firstly, what has achieved? And secondly, I didn't ignore what he did last year. And I didn't ask anyone to ignore it, I just said that what he did last year doesn't make him a world class player and would be an unrealistic expectation of him if you think he'll have those numbers as a Juventus player. I honestly don't know how many Parma games you all watched, but he really wasn't all that great.
He wasn't all that great? My god, how are we going to have a discussion now? I watched plenty of Parma games and he was behind more than 50% of their goals (26 of their 51 goals) and was the biggest reason they achieved 8th place. Especially his form during the finish of the season where he stepped up and was fantastic and lead Parma to 8 wins in the last 9 games.
 

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