Sebastian Giovinco (89 Viewers)
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What D'Amico wants to say is 'promise he won't end up like Elia' 
No promises or guarantees at Juve I'm afraid, if Giovinco is good enough he would show it in training and match days, Conte bears no grudge.
BTW, I'm sure I asked this before and possibly didn't get an answer, but wasn't Andrea D'Amico a Primavera goalkeeper for us in the past (late 90s)? Question not specifically to Red, of course
No promises or guarantees at Juve I'm afraid, if Giovinco is good enough he would show it in training and match days, Conte bears no grudge.
BTW, I'm sure I asked this before and possibly didn't get an answer, but wasn't Andrea D'Amico a Primavera goalkeeper for us in the past (late 90s)? Question not specifically to Red, of course
There is another Andrea D'Amico, a 22 year old midfielder, who is currently plying his trade with Portogruaro.
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How people could be against giving Conte an opportunity to help develop a clearly talented individual - who plays a role that we are currently subpar in - is beyond me. The kid is even one of our own. Bringing Giovinco back to the club may not work out, but it's certainly a worthwhile chance to take.
I mean, we could be adding a star Italian international caliber player to our lineup for around 8-10M. Imagine the guy goes off at Euros? Finances aren't exactly great at the moment, so bringing him back makes a lot of sense, from both a quality and marketing standpoint.
Clearly he doesn't want to get Elia'd. No doubt. Or Krasic'ed. Or Martinez'ed. Or Ziegler'ed. Or Diego'ed. He wants to make sure this is a suitable long term destination. Seriously. Who wouldn't need some assurances, given what's gone on at Juventus in recent times?
He could need some specific information from the proverbial 'horses mouth'. As in a sit down, face to face, legitimate meeting with Conte & management, to make sure everybody's on the same page (unlike Marotta/Delneri), and comfortable with the future vision. This could be the agent simply saying that they still need to go through appropriate protocol. Giovinco and his agent certainly want to see and hear first hand how things are different than they were a couple years ago - I think most players would have some questions about the new Juventus.
Guarantees... Assurances... it could even be that he wants to see Beppe's deal extended, to preserve continuity.
He may want to know what Conte's specific vision for him is, where he'll be fielded, etc. How confident is Conte in his ability? Giovinco may want to sit down with him, look Conte in the eyes, and be convinced that the coach wants him. Anyway, people have a tendency to throw a minor tantrum after a lot of these quotes, when the translation of said quotes is often pretty rough; I don't speak Italian, so I can't translate them accurately myself, but I see them butchered all the time. I read the crap footy sites and their gossip, but I do tend to ignore most of what floats around those websites.
What I do know, is that there's a great deal of nuance to language, and some of these quotes are being translated by people whose first language isn't English or Italian (or they're comfortable in one, but not proficient in the other). Often they're just some internet journalist hacks, looking for a way to sensationalize a headline so they can get some more hits.
Then a swath of people start acting like a bunch of poncy hairdressers because of one or two words - that at times have multiple meanings and carry varying weight. Some of the quotes are televised, so there can be interactive sarcasm, jokes, body language involved... things that make literal translation difficult.
It's pretty damn silly.
That's not possible. The guy was born in 1964 There is another Andrea D'Amico, a 22 year old midfielder, who is currently plying his trade with Portogruaro.
There is another Andrea D'Amico, a 22 year old midfielder, who is currently plying his trade with Portogruaro.
There was an Andrea D'Amico keeper in our Primavera though, in 1999-00
http://www.solocalcio.com/gallery/CAMPIONATO99/Juventus.htm
http://www.worldfootball.net/spieler_profil/andrea-damico/
Ah it's not him then, I just thought it possible a failed player would become an agent.
There was an Andrea D'Amico keeper in our Primavera though, in 1999-00
http://www.solocalcio.com/gallery/CAMPIONATO99/Juventus.htm
http://www.worldfootball.net/spieler_profil/andrea-damico/
There was an Andrea D'Amico keeper in our Primavera though, in 1999-00
http://www.solocalcio.com/gallery/CAMPIONATO99/Juventus.htm
http://www.worldfootball.net/spieler_profil/andrea-damico/
"Ovvero un’assoluta garanzia di utilizzo e sul tipo di utilizzo."
That's the original from a page or two back. Football Italia got it very close (this time).
It's the agent's job to look after his client's best interests, so, I can't really fault him in this instance. However, there have been a number of other interviews and/or quotes attributed to him (the player) where he definitely seems too big for his britches, as the saying goes. Sure, he can feel hard done by if he likes and vent a little bit if that's his prerogative, but it'd be more than naive to not expect a negative fan reaction. From this we can assume that he makes these unnecessary and inflammatory statements while simply not caring as he's content playing in a middling side.
So, what do we have in the end?
A scorned player that overestimates himself, with an apparent lack of ambition, and the fans already against him.
Can Conte turn him around? Perhaps.
Depending on how much we can squeeze out of Parma it might just be better to take the money and let him fade into mid-table obscurity.
That's the original from a page or two back. Football Italia got it very close (this time).
It's the agent's job to look after his client's best interests, so, I can't really fault him in this instance. However, there have been a number of other interviews and/or quotes attributed to him (the player) where he definitely seems too big for his britches, as the saying goes. Sure, he can feel hard done by if he likes and vent a little bit if that's his prerogative, but it'd be more than naive to not expect a negative fan reaction. From this we can assume that he makes these unnecessary and inflammatory statements while simply not caring as he's content playing in a middling side.
So, what do we have in the end?
A scorned player that overestimates himself, with an apparent lack of ambition, and the fans already against him.
Can Conte turn him around? Perhaps.
Depending on how much we can squeeze out of Parma it might just be better to take the money and let him fade into mid-table obscurity.
Well I'm glad FI got one right, and that you think the comments are pretty much par for the course (in terms of agent speak)
Where are all the indisputably inflammatory remarks though? The complaints come mostly from interviews with a lot of pretty inane questions, don't they? People then interpret certain remarks (to an extent, often in line with their existing agenda - like the ADP phone call nonsense). I have no doubt that in hindsight there's a comment or two that he would like to rephrase/clarify/retract entirely, but they're quite minor - he's not out and about offering unprovoked negative comments about Juve.
You talk about naivety... well, wouldn't you say that it's naive of the fans not to expect some disappointment, and vocal frustration from the player - considering the way he was used during his time at the club, before being discarded for a minuscule fee?
Beyond that, it's well known that Giovinco is happy about his stay at Parma primarily because the continuity has allowed him to be called for the Azzurri. Life long ambition of his, right there - and a pretty lofty goal too. I think the player has made it clear that he would prefer to play for a big club, over Parma.
So how has Giovinco overestimated himself? He believed he was a better player than what we saw at Juventus, and he believed that he was worthy of the Azzurri; at this point, those points are hard to argue against - are they not?
I also have a strong feeling that if Giovinco keeps playing the way he's playing, the majority of Juventus fans would be happy to have the kid back in black and white.
Where are all the indisputably inflammatory remarks though? The complaints come mostly from interviews with a lot of pretty inane questions, don't they? People then interpret certain remarks (to an extent, often in line with their existing agenda - like the ADP phone call nonsense). I have no doubt that in hindsight there's a comment or two that he would like to rephrase/clarify/retract entirely, but they're quite minor - he's not out and about offering unprovoked negative comments about Juve.
You talk about naivety... well, wouldn't you say that it's naive of the fans not to expect some disappointment, and vocal frustration from the player - considering the way he was used during his time at the club, before being discarded for a minuscule fee?
Beyond that, it's well known that Giovinco is happy about his stay at Parma primarily because the continuity has allowed him to be called for the Azzurri. Life long ambition of his, right there - and a pretty lofty goal too. I think the player has made it clear that he would prefer to play for a big club, over Parma.
So how has Giovinco overestimated himself? He believed he was a better player than what we saw at Juventus, and he believed that he was worthy of the Azzurri; at this point, those points are hard to argue against - are they not?
I also have a strong feeling that if Giovinco keeps playing the way he's playing, the majority of Juventus fans would be happy to have the kid back in black and white.
Actually Adriano, I read and responded to the post you're talking about. Apparently a pretty long reply of mine was deleted as well, buddy.
Basically me saying that I didn't agree with how you arrived at some of your conclusions. Thought you were being too rigid, and your conclusions were treating certain interpretations as fact.
Didn't like your analogy about the child rebelling against the parents either, I made a crack that after calciopoli the parents must have gone on vacation, and hired a babysitter off Craigs List, etc., etc.
Anyway, we basically disagree - and I think we've both had enough of the subject. I do think we're going to have an opportunity to see this player at the club again, and that will ultimately resolve the debate as to whether Giovinco is worthy of Juventus.
Basically me saying that I didn't agree with how you arrived at some of your conclusions. Thought you were being too rigid, and your conclusions were treating certain interpretations as fact.
Didn't like your analogy about the child rebelling against the parents either, I made a crack that after calciopoli the parents must have gone on vacation, and hired a babysitter off Craigs List, etc., etc.
Anyway, we basically disagree - and I think we've both had enough of the subject. I do think we're going to have an opportunity to see this player at the club again, and that will ultimately resolve the debate as to whether Giovinco is worthy of Juventus.