Sebastian Giovinco (32 Viewers)

[KB824]

As I said Renieri was a douch, never liked him, There was no reason for him not to play Gio, On the other hand , with Ciro I can see the logic behind it but it dosnt mean I'm not disappointed.

It has nothing to do with being hypocritical, You can still be disappointed with someone you had high hopes for.

Well, what is the logic behind not playing Gio if you are Ferrara?

Win at all costs, right? With the best stating XI that you can put on the field, right?


So, if as everyone says, that Giovinco is undoubtedly one of the best XI, then what is the reason for Ferrara not playing him?

You don't think I'm as curious aas everyone esle on thsi forum and in Juve Land??

I want to see the team win, with the best players on the pitch.

But there is a reason, a more concrete reason why Giovinco is not starting regularly, and nobody seems to know why

 

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[Bjerknes]

The person to thank was Abramovich, not Ranieri. People call him a great team builder, player developer, but I think that's all nonsense. He showed nothing of the sort here at Juventus, that's for sure.

 

[Bjerknes]

Ferrara said at the beginning of the season that the 4-3-1-2 was what he wanted to use, which means Diego would naturally play as the one with two strikers in front of him. I don't think he likes the 4-2-3-1 as much, which is much better suited for Joe Vinko.

 

[Tomice]

Yes it is, but are you forgetting that he was instrumental in bring Lampard, Gallas, Joe Cole, Glen Johnson on board to Chelsea, all of whom were young players when he purchased them, as well as helping John Terry develop into the player that he has become?


People say that he is incompetent as a manger, and I'm not disputing that, but he does, or at least did, have an eye for young talent and bringing out the best in them.

You need to consider one thing though.

Renieri has a weak spot for strong,atlethic,run 90 mintues, type of players.
Why else he also bought Sissoko, Poulsen and kept on playing Molinaro ?

Gio dosnt fit in his football view.

 

[KB824]

The person to thank was Abramovich, not Ranieri. People call him a great team builder, player developer, but I think that's all nonsense. He showed nothing of the sort here at Juventus, that's for sure.

All Abramovich did was give him the funds to get the players. He had no say in how these players were developed under Ranieir's watch.

And Lampard , Terry, and Gallas were there several years before Abramovich bought Chelsea

 

[KB824]

Ferrara said at the beginning of the season that the 4-3-1-2 was what he wanted to use, which means Diego would naturally play as the one with two strikers in front of him. I don't think he likes the 4-2-3-1 as much, which is much better suited for Joe Vinko.

So then Ferrara is a stubborn Rockhead who doesn't use his most valuable assets to his advantage?

Is that what you are implying?

Because that is what I think,anyway.

Actually, I didn't think he was ready to be the coach of this team in the first place.

My first choice was Antonio Conte. At least he had coaching experience.

 

[Tomice]

Well, what is the logic behind not playing Gio if you are Ferrara?

Win at all costs, right? With the best stating XI that you can put on the field, right?


So, if as everyone says, that Giovinco is undoubtedly one of the best XI, then what is the reason for Ferrara not playing him?

You don't think I'm as curious aas everyone esle on thsi forum and in Juve Land??

I want to see the team win, with the best players on the pitch.

But there is a reason, a more concrete reason why Giovinco is not starting regularly, and nobody seems to know why

Dont know, if I was Ferrara i would have played him.

Whats the logic behind playing Amuari-IQ upfront ? I can see none, but It seems logical to Ciro so who the hell knows.

 

[KB824]

You need to consider one thing though.

Renieri has a weak spot for strong,atlethic,run 90 mintues, type of players.
Why else he also bought Sissoko, Poulsen and kept on playing Molinaro ?

Gio dosnt fit in his football view.

I see what you are saying, and I totally ubnderstand that.

But, during last year's bad spells, when a change of tactics was needed, Giovinco was rarely called upon, even though he would have perfect to give the team a change of pace.

Only when a "Change of Pace" was obviously necessary would Giovinco get called upon.


Now, we are in a similar situation where there is no creativity, no spark, whatsoever, and Giovinco gets one match, and his ass is back to the bench.

Tell me what the hell is wrong with that picture

 

[Tomice]

So then Ferrara is a stubborn Rockhead who doesn't use his most valuable assets to his advantage?

Is that what you are implying?

Because that is what I think,anyway.

Actually, I didn't think he was ready to be the coach of this team in the first place.

My first choice was Antonio Conte. At least he had coaching experience.

I will admit I was for Ciro. I'v came to my senses since then. Fairytales dont realy exist.

I'm not saying off with his head yet, he should get the time to prove himself, But only to some extent and not on the account of the club.

 

[Tomice]

I see what you are saying, and I totally ubnderstand that.

But, during last year's bad spells, when a change of tactics was needed, Giovinco was rarely called upon, even though he would have perfect to give the team a change of pace.

Only when a "Change of Pace" was obviously necessary would Giovinco get called upon.


Now, we are in a similar situation where there is no creativity, no spark, whatsoever, and Giovinco gets one match, and his ass is back to the bench.

Tell me what the hell is wrong with that picture

I get it that you are trying to find a logical reason for this matter, and I usally do the same.

But i'v seen so many basic tactical/selection mistakes in the past three years that i'm no longer in that "the coach knows better cause his professional" group.

Its football, not math, and no the coach dosnt always know better.

 

[KB824]

I will admit I was for Ciro. I'v came to my senses since then. Fairytales dont realy exist.

The problem with Ciro is that he had no experience. Its the same with Leonardo.

I'm sure that in the future they will both be good coaches, but its really tough to put them in these kinds of positions.

Guardiola was the exeption, not the rule, for first time managers.

But damn, Guardiola was blessed with having some extremely good talent on his team, too.

 

[Tomice]

The problem with Ciro is that he had no experience. Its the same with Leonardo.

I'm sure that in the future they will both be good coaches, but its really tough to put them in these kinds of positions.

Guardiola was the exeption, not the rule, for first time managers.

But damn, Guardiola was blessed with having some extremely good talent on his team, too.

You are right but its not only the players he got.
He came to a stable club with a proven system in terms of training and play style, Every thing was already ticking like a swiss clock, he only had to show up and keep the players motivated and in gear.

Ciro, has very bad medical staff, mediocer training coaches and no formation/play style to improve upon. Every thing from scratch in one of the most demending clubs in the world.

Good luck to him.

 

[KB824]

Its not only the players he got.
He came to a stable club with a proven system in terms of training and play style, Every thing was already ticking like a swiss clock, he only had to show up and keep the players motivated and in gear.

Ciro, has very bad medical staff, mediocer training coaches and no formation/play style to improve upon. Every thing from scratch in one of the most demending clubs in the world.

Good luck to him.

So then maybe he got thrown into the fire way too soon then.

And if that is the case, then shame on the board for doing this to someone who wore the shirt so proudly and fo so long.

 

[Tomice]

So then maybe he got thrown into the fire way too soon then.

And if that is the case, then shame on the board for doing this to someone who wore the shirt so proudly and fo so long.

The board went riding on the "Pep effect" train.

Its for sure much more their fault then Ciro's.

I dont know if its cause they wanted to save on wages or to have a "yes" man as a coach, or maybe they truly belived in him.

In either case it starting to look like a bad call indeed.

 

[KB824]

The board went riding on the "Pep effect" train.

Its for sure much more their fault then Ciro's.

I dont know if its cause they wanted to save on wages or to have a "yes" man as a coach, or maybe they truly belived in him.

In either case it starting to look like a bad call indeed.

Although I didn't think he was the right man for this job, I am certainly not Anti-Ferrara.

IF that were the case, then I would be wishing for him to fail, and in turn, the team would fail as a result.

i certainly don't want that.

 

[Tomice]

Although I didn't think he was the right man for this job, I am certainly not Anti-Ferrara.

IF that were the case, then I would be wishing for him to fail, and in turn, the team would fail as a result.

i certainly don't want that.

Same here.

 

[Linebreak]

There has to be a reason to why coaches don't use Giovinco much.

I suspect it might be something to do with his efforts in training and his general attitude.

I'm sure they all realise his quality, but maybe his discipline is lacking.

That's all I can think of

 

[Cronios]

The problem with Ciro is that he had no experience. Its the same with Leonardo.

I'm sure that in the future they will both be good coaches, but its really tough to put them in these kinds of positions.

Guardiola was the exeption, not the rule, for first time managers.

But damn, Guardiola was blessed with having some extremely good talent on his team, too.

Wε should have thought about that earlier, nοw its too late...

 

[THE_PIRAT]

Gio is a MUST against Samp!!!

 

[JCK]

I don't watch Barcelona very much. What formation do they normally play?

What? You don't watch the gods of football, the example on how every team must play, the standards that everyone should follow?

You're a football terrorist.