Sebastian Giovinco (60 Viewers)
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please explain.
Telling a porky are we?
Lots of retarded reactions around here, if you dont like a players thread, dont click it, simple.
And oh....De Ceglie plays for Juve, but he will allways be inferior to Giovinco, he is very limited and has quite little talent to speak of. Yes we support Juve, and hence wish the best for any player who plays for us, but we arent mindless sheep, or shouldnt be. Giovinco's career in Juve is pretty much over me thinks, but revionistic BS like now trying to put Ashton fucking Kutcher as better then him is real laugh. Where's the cameras? *looks around*
And oh....De Ceglie plays for Juve, but he will allways be inferior to Giovinco, he is very limited and has quite little talent to speak of. Yes we support Juve, and hence wish the best for any player who plays for us, but we arent mindless sheep, or shouldnt be. Giovinco's career in Juve is pretty much over me thinks, but revionistic BS like now trying to put Ashton fucking Kutcher as better then him is real laugh. Where's the cameras? *looks around*
In what way, usefulness? Based on the fact DC is in our team at the present and Giovinco isn't? That means people aren't stating a fact which is stone cold true, but instead are insinuating he's better.
The fact that Giovinco hasn't progressed whilst DC has? Everyone knows Giovinco always was supremely talented compared to him, so even though DC has progressed and Giovinco hasn't it doesn't actually mean he's better, not in anyway.
But one things for sure, in one way DC is better than Giovinco, DC's a better professional, the fact his game has improved, even if only a bit, he is still less shitter than before. At least he understands his weaknesses and works on them, Giovinco still makes very, very bad positioning runs without the ball after 2 years. That's not very professional to say he can't make himself more available to his team. It's as if they've got to go and find him.
The fact that Giovinco hasn't progressed whilst DC has? Everyone knows Giovinco always was supremely talented compared to him, so even though DC has progressed and Giovinco hasn't it doesn't actually mean he's better, not in anyway.
But one things for sure, in one way DC is better than Giovinco, DC's a better professional, the fact his game has improved, even if only a bit, he is still less shitter than before. At least he understands his weaknesses and works on them, Giovinco still makes very, very bad positioning runs without the ball after 2 years. That's not very professional to say he can't make himself more available to his team. It's as if they've got to go and find him.
I barely seen ANY improvement on DC for 4 years except the the opening months of this season. And its too early to see if that will stick.
The less said about why Giovinco hasnt progressed, the better, but I think its obvious, even if I understand some of the criticism, is the main problem with his progression is, besides his physique, the fact that he didnt get enough time to actually PROGRESS. As in perform well, and be on the bench 1 months, come in 10 months, be on the bench 2 months and so on with the pattern. Add that to injuries, and its obvious what you get. De Ceglie got lots of time, but barely progressed, and I dont blame him, lack of talent isnt something you can improve on much.
The less said about why Giovinco hasnt progressed, the better, but I think its obvious, even if I understand some of the criticism, is the main problem with his progression is, besides his physique, the fact that he didnt get enough time to actually PROGRESS. As in perform well, and be on the bench 1 months, come in 10 months, be on the bench 2 months and so on with the pattern. Add that to injuries, and its obvious what you get. De Ceglie got lots of time, but barely progressed, and I dont blame him, lack of talent isnt something you can improve on much.
Giovinco right now at Parma has not proved that he is good enough for this team, at least not as a starter, which is what he wants. Ok he didnt get the best of chances but he is getting them at Parma, lets be honest guys so far he has not set the world on fire, if he does I will be happy for him but I still doubt he will come back.
De Ceglie will never be better technically, but that is not all that being a footballer involves...
It seems a recurring theme, where footballers are only judged by their dribbling skills, or flicks and entertainment value. Giovinco is probably more 'talented' than Krasic if we are going to look at certain elements of the game, but compare the players over every aspect; mental, physical and technical and Krasic blows him out of the water. There are guys in Serie B now who have a lot of natural talent but are stuck there their whole careers, it's the same story across the world. Enigmas. Not even enigmas, flash in the pan players. I'd love to be proven wrong of course, seeing a home grown player with his natural ability go to waste would be a shame but it's not the end of the world. The team comes first.
I'll stick by my statement, De Ceglie will be more useful for us, think about what that means first.
It seems a recurring theme, where footballers are only judged by their dribbling skills, or flicks and entertainment value. Giovinco is probably more 'talented' than Krasic if we are going to look at certain elements of the game, but compare the players over every aspect; mental, physical and technical and Krasic blows him out of the water. There are guys in Serie B now who have a lot of natural talent but are stuck there their whole careers, it's the same story across the world. Enigmas. Not even enigmas, flash in the pan players. I'd love to be proven wrong of course, seeing a home grown player with his natural ability go to waste would be a shame but it's not the end of the world. The team comes first.
I'll stick by my statement, De Ceglie will be more useful for us, think about what that means first.
I think saying a player could be more 'useful' than another player is not the same as saying he is 'better' than another player. First of all, I don't understand why you guys are comparing a Full back to an attacking midfielder. The comparison is ridiculous, but if you wan't to compare both players' overall talent, Giovinco is probably better.
He might not be as useful as De Ceglie for us but that doesn't mean he's less talented. Giovinco, remember, was only bad mouthed after he left us and never while he was here. I can't say the same about De Ceglie, and I think that says something.
He might not be as useful as De Ceglie for us but that doesn't mean he's less talented. Giovinco, remember, was only bad mouthed after he left us and never while he was here. I can't say the same about De Ceglie, and I think that says something.
I agree with your post. Talent only gets you so far. I know two local guys who were not talented who turned professional, and others (one in particular) with the talent to take on a whole team who never got anywhere near their level. Giovinco just needs to work hard like the rest of our players, it's a prerequisite for Juve past and present. Being talented alone doesn't make you a good player.
Well, obviously, you need to put in effort but I think you're downplaying talent a little here. Cassano probably doesn't work nearly as hard as Molinaro but that doesn't mean Molinaro is a better player, not even close.
And that's probably why you rarely see cases where the less talented player is considered the better player because he works harder. In football, talent is valued more than hard work because is simply a rarer attribute.
And that's probably why you rarely see cases where the less talented player is considered the better player because he works harder. In football, talent is valued more than hard work because is simply a rarer attribute.
Zanetti VS any fullback you can think of.... would you still say the same?
Kuyt is a very limited player talent wise but he is a work horse. That gets him an average of 12 goals and around 5/6 assists and thats while playing mostly out of position.
Balotelli is one of the most talented players in the world yet with the worst work ethic ever in training and on the pitch... would you rather have a disinterested balotelli or an interested pazzini for example?
Kuyt is a very limited player talent wise but he is a work horse. That gets him an average of 12 goals and around 5/6 assists and thats while playing mostly out of position.
Balotelli is one of the most talented players in the world yet with the worst work ethic ever in training and on the pitch... would you rather have a disinterested balotelli or an interested pazzini for example?