Ronaldinho debuted in 1997, DP's breakthrough was before that.
And Batistuta was better than A LOT of today's strikers.
And Batistuta was better than A LOT of today's strikers.
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ronaldinho debuted 1997 in BRAZIL. here in europe you did not have as technical magicians as him...
in del pieros early twenties he was probably one of the 10 best technical players on the scene ... right now you have many players who are on a very high level...
saying "Batistuta was better than many of todays strikers" is no statement of use ... he also was better than many of yesterdays strikers.
batistuta did not have the finishing of trezeguet, the speed of martins or etoo, the strength of vieri or the heading of amauri (ha ha ha, i am just kidding, but you are getting where i am coming from).
for back then batistuta was really good, but the game evolved and like the tactics changed (few would play with a sweeper today) the way of defending did change too
even before ronaldinho was on the big scene people raved about the crazy technical ability of rivaldo who is a limited player (only left footed) compared to ronaldinho...
nowadays even low league strikers can pull off tricks that 20 years before where not even been done by star players and so the usual defender is used to defend like these faints & tricks...
in del pieros early twenties he was probably one of the 10 best technical players on the scene ... right now you have many players who are on a very high level...
saying "Batistuta was better than many of todays strikers" is no statement of use ... he also was better than many of yesterdays strikers.
batistuta did not have the finishing of trezeguet, the speed of martins or etoo, the strength of vieri or the heading of amauri (ha ha ha, i am just kidding, but you are getting where i am coming from).
for back then batistuta was really good, but the game evolved and like the tactics changed (few would play with a sweeper today) the way of defending did change too
even before ronaldinho was on the big scene people raved about the crazy technical ability of rivaldo who is a limited player (only left footed) compared to ronaldinho...
nowadays even low league strikers can pull off tricks that 20 years before where not even been done by star players and so the usual defender is used to defend like these faints & tricks...
I was not refuting your statement.
I was just saying that during DP's breakthrough season Ronaldinho hadn't debuted.
As for Batistuta, he was a really complete striker, granted he wasn't a magician with the ball but he was no slouch, had a great FK and a really powerful strike, quite fast for his height and a killer instinct Amauri could only dream of
D).While i do agree to some extent that defenders are more equipped in today's game to defend against trickery and "magic" i think those aren't necessary for a striker. Of course, i'm talking about Batistuta and not Giovinco, the other as a winger would have to rely more on this.
Speculating about the possible impact Giovinco might have had a decade ago is futile though, and in today's game i think he doesn't have the means to make it at top level, he's the kind of player for a team like Palermo or Sampdoria in my opinion. For example, Miccoli.
Well, at the very least, it refutes the whole "Andy hates Italians" argument. Guess you can't lean on that one here.
Secondly, I like him because I think he's good and I do think he has a good head on his shoulders. It's just that he's tired of not getting a fair shot at his boyhood club because of retarded, half-ass managers who don't think he fits their system. If I was in his shoes, I'd be pissed as well. And if I was a young player like Hazard, Neymar, or somebody of the sort, I would definitely not come to Juventus knowing that I'll be loaned out or benched because of the system.
He's better than Lanzafame. Why is that dude here?
Martinez was purchased as a winger. Why's he here?
In the left-winger role, and left-forward role, he's shown himself to be at the very least better than Lanzafame.
Secondly, I like him because I think he's good and I do think he has a good head on his shoulders. It's just that he's tired of not getting a fair shot at his boyhood club because of retarded, half-ass managers who don't think he fits their system. If I was in his shoes, I'd be pissed as well. And if I was a young player like Hazard, Neymar, or somebody of the sort, I would definitely not come to Juventus knowing that I'll be loaned out or benched because of the system.
He's better than Lanzafame. Why is that dude here?
Martinez was purchased as a winger. Why's he here?
In the left-winger role, and left-forward role, he's shown himself to be at the very least better than Lanzafame.
Personally I think you just like to argue against popular opinion. So all the coaches are wrong about him because you didn't like them, not that they were all right about him (so far) and you were wrong? An unlikely scenario, I know.
Lanzafame has had even less chance than Giovinco, so again, it is little more than your opinion.
Giovinco playing left wing in our current team is actually an horrific thought, there is a reason why these 'crap' or 'garbage' players (translates to players who are not technical players - note how you mention Hazard and Neymar) are in our team and that is because they provide better balance. This means they can attack and defend. Giovinco can only do one thing, and so far he has hardly set the world alight doing that.
When has Giovinco played left forward for Juventus? When has Lanzafame, for that matter?
Lanzafame has had even less chance than Giovinco, so again, it is little more than your opinion.
Giovinco playing left wing in our current team is actually an horrific thought, there is a reason why these 'crap' or 'garbage' players (translates to players who are not technical players - note how you mention Hazard and Neymar) are in our team and that is because they provide better balance. This means they can attack and defend. Giovinco can only do one thing, and so far he has hardly set the world alight doing that.
When has Giovinco played left forward for Juventus? When has Lanzafame, for that matter?
Not a valid argument. I don't try to argue with Rab that Del Piero isn't a great player, or with you that Baggio was one of the best in history, or with anyone that we deserved our previous titles in the midst of Calciopoli. Those are popular opinions, so you are simply wrong here. But nice try, even though that isn't a debating technique.
I truly believe that the way we have handled Seba is absurd, and that all this loaning garbage is not really beneficial to anyone.
I've seen him play before he returned here. Lanzafame isn't as good as Giovinco, in my view. You can trust the managers and Marotta all you like however, just like you do for everything else.
Lanzafame and Martinez cannot defend either, but they are still here.
Pepe can defend, sure. But he can't really do much else besides run. He's OK to have on the squad when you need someone who can put in work, but you don't need a squad filled with these players. We have Hassan, DC, Sissoko, et cetera for all that.
This is a matter of personal opinion, but I would take skill over strength for the left-wing role simply because we have powerful players in the centre like Melo, along with Krasic out right who can get stuck in. I'll never understand this obsession with players who have limited skill but great work ethic... this is the 21st century and not the Premier League.
True to form, Juventus is the only club that counts. They've played elsewhere, you know.
I truly believe that the way we have handled Seba is absurd, and that all this loaning garbage is not really beneficial to anyone.
I've seen him play before he returned here. Lanzafame isn't as good as Giovinco, in my view. You can trust the managers and Marotta all you like however, just like you do for everything else.
Lanzafame and Martinez cannot defend either, but they are still here.
Pepe can defend, sure. But he can't really do much else besides run. He's OK to have on the squad when you need someone who can put in work, but you don't need a squad filled with these players. We have Hassan, DC, Sissoko, et cetera for all that.
This is a matter of personal opinion, but I would take skill over strength for the left-wing role simply because we have powerful players in the centre like Melo, along with Krasic out right who can get stuck in. I'll never understand this obsession with players who have limited skill but great work ethic... this is the 21st century and not the Premier League.
True to form, Juventus is the only club that counts. They've played elsewhere, you know.
