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Sebastian Giovinco (68 Viewers)
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This guy's talent is wasted on the bench, feel sorry for him. I swear i knew last season when he was playing for Empoli that he won't get enough chance with us this season (and not so much as long as ranieri is around).
Ranieri is obsessed with big physicall guys. He like he's players to run and run for 90 minutes even if they don't produce anything from all this run (molinaro is a perfect example). He left aimar on the bench in valencia even though he was the most talented player in their team back then and he's doing it all over again with Gio.
Ranieri is obsessed with big physicall guys. He like he's players to run and run for 90 minutes even if they don't produce anything from all this run (molinaro is a perfect example). He left aimar on the bench in valencia even though he was the most talented player in their team back then and he's doing it all over again with Gio.
1. Ranieri is NOT the one who lauched Zola.
2. The likes of Del Piero and Rossi are STRIKERS. Giovinco is more a MIDFIELDER than striker. Ranieri doesn't know how to use technical midfielders who don't defend well. Aimar (an AMC) and Tiago (a MC) are perfect examples.
3. Typical Italian football in the 90s: using 4 midfielders that are much more defensive than offensive, depending on the creativity of a second forward to create chances or throwing long balls to a highly efficient strong&tall striker (the likes of Christian Vieri).
Midfielders are only for defense and counter-attack(long ball).
This pattern only changed in recent years with the likes of Andrea Pirlo. Ranieri, however, is still playing this kind of football.
Moffeo used to be one of the best AMC that Italy ever produced, but he never made into the the Italian NT because he is physically weak and can't defend. The Italians don't understand football the way the Argentines and Spanish do.
If Giovinco can score more goals (like Robert Baggio), he may be appreciated much more. Otherwise, he should improve his physique and defensive skills.
2. The likes of Del Piero and Rossi are STRIKERS. Giovinco is more a MIDFIELDER than striker. Ranieri doesn't know how to use technical midfielders who don't defend well. Aimar (an AMC) and Tiago (a MC) are perfect examples.
3. Typical Italian football in the 90s: using 4 midfielders that are much more defensive than offensive, depending on the creativity of a second forward to create chances or throwing long balls to a highly efficient strong&tall striker (the likes of Christian Vieri).
Midfielders are only for defense and counter-attack(long ball).
This pattern only changed in recent years with the likes of Andrea Pirlo. Ranieri, however, is still playing this kind of football.
Moffeo used to be one of the best AMC that Italy ever produced, but he never made into the the Italian NT because he is physically weak and can't defend. The Italians don't understand football the way the Argentines and Spanish do.
If Giovinco can score more goals (like Robert Baggio), he may be appreciated much more. Otherwise, he should improve his physique and defensive skills.
Morfeo was a great talent but he was far from the best. He played for Parma, and back then, players like Totti and Fiore were dominating the AMC role. He simply wasn't good enough.
The problem is not that Ranieri doesn't understand football or simply hasn't developed his ideas. The problem is the formation itself. Many teams if not most, even outside Italy, play this formation. It doesn't suit Giovinco's playing style, and Ranieri's not about to change his entire setup for just one player, not yet at least.
The problem is not that Ranieri doesn't understand football or simply hasn't developed his ideas. The problem is the formation itself. Many teams if not most, even outside Italy, play this formation. It doesn't suit Giovinco's playing style, and Ranieri's not about to change his entire setup for just one player, not yet at least.
... and rightly so, i would add! You CANNOT possibly throw away a playing system that eventually works (we beat roma, we beat real, i won't argue with anyone if we're having a 'good' tactical system or not, but you gotta watch the whole) only because there is a so-called wonderkid making his way. If fielding giovinco would mean no camo or neddy, then the choice is clear to me. It has been said all over again, we're not putting on the pitch players with the most potential and we're not selecting players because of their passport or their age or whatever. First of all, it's not clear whether he plays AML, or striker, or whatever. Well it's easy; if he wants to be our AML, then he needs to be better than nedved. If he wants to be our support striker, then he must prove he can do the things our capitano does. And it's pretty damn obvious to me that he's not yet on that stage.
I like giovinco, a lot really, and i'm both proud and happy he is at juve, but still, i believe that we shouldn't hurry in starting him too often, only because he has the potential. he needs to grow a lot (both physically and mentally), but as long as there is a nedved or a del piero in front of him, you can't expect him to kick those 2 legends out. He will get his chance, don't worry.
There's little chance we will play a trequartista any time soon, and that's ok in my opinion, because honestly, tactics with a AMC are pretty transparent. I mean everybody who saw yesterday's game of werder-panathinaikos knows what i mean - man-mark the playmaker and the whole offense is shut down. And then we don't have the wingers to play an AM, there would be our whole midfield attacking while only sissoko would be covering our back (even if he might be even able to cover the whole pitch
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So a trequartista is a fundamental change in our line-up, in our mentality, and in our playing style, i wonder if there is any player in the world worth doing all this.
I like giovinco, a lot really, and i'm both proud and happy he is at juve, but still, i believe that we shouldn't hurry in starting him too often, only because he has the potential. he needs to grow a lot (both physically and mentally), but as long as there is a nedved or a del piero in front of him, you can't expect him to kick those 2 legends out. He will get his chance, don't worry.
There's little chance we will play a trequartista any time soon, and that's ok in my opinion, because honestly, tactics with a AMC are pretty transparent. I mean everybody who saw yesterday's game of werder-panathinaikos knows what i mean - man-mark the playmaker and the whole offense is shut down. And then we don't have the wingers to play an AM, there would be our whole midfield attacking while only sissoko would be covering our back (even if he might be even able to cover the whole pitch
)So a trequartista is a fundamental change in our line-up, in our mentality, and in our playing style, i wonder if there is any player in the world worth doing all this.
It is not problem of changing formation or whatever. Ranieri does not trust midfielders that don't defend well. It's that simple. Is Tiago worse than Poulsen? Wasn't Aimar good enough for Valencia?
Actually, till now De Ceglie has played more in the AML position than Giovinco. So that must mean De Ceglie is better than Giovinco, right? The simple reason that De Ceglie plays is because he can defend better. Since Gio will never reach the defense level of De Ceglie, he would never get many chances until Nedved, De Ceglie, Sali are all injured.
As to the second striker position, it's not his natural position. How can you expect him to be better than Del Piero if he isn't even given a decent chance?
Actually, till now De Ceglie has played more in the AML position than Giovinco. So that must mean De Ceglie is better than Giovinco, right? The simple reason that De Ceglie plays is because he can defend better. Since Gio will never reach the defense level of De Ceglie, he would never get many chances until Nedved, De Ceglie, Sali are all injured.
As to the second striker position, it's not his natural position. How can you expect him to be better than Del Piero if he isn't even given a decent chance?
no you're not getting the point. And you're contradicting yourself; How can De Ceglie defend in AML (i've never seen him play aml, but let's assume you're right, how should he defend at AML?)
The thing is, nobody knows for real what native position giovinco plays in. Some say he's a sub-striker, other say he's too weak physically for that, so he's a typical AML (cutting inside, like nedved), and others again say he's a pure trequartista. Either way, it doesn't matter - giovinco is an unbelievably precious raw diamond we're holding in our hands and i'm sure the big teams are envying us for him, but still, it's not like he's a full-grown professional zidane, who'll lead us to every imaginable cup out there. As i said, on the AML position, he will NOT be able to compensate the outstanding work-rate AND experience of nedved, no matter how good he is technically.
Also, i think you haven't really understood how ranieri plays (no offense, though). You're saying that So basically, do you think Nedved and Camo are midfielders who defend? Only because we're not playing a trequartista (and not even a CM to be honest) does NOT mean we're not playing an offensive midfield. We have attacking wingers, and believe it or not, if we wanted to put full pressure on a team and push forward our wingers, we can easily have 4 or 5 possible scorers ready to poach.
Considering this, i think it's not a shame we're playing two DMs very often.
The thing is, nobody knows for real what native position giovinco plays in. Some say he's a sub-striker, other say he's too weak physically for that, so he's a typical AML (cutting inside, like nedved), and others again say he's a pure trequartista. Either way, it doesn't matter - giovinco is an unbelievably precious raw diamond we're holding in our hands and i'm sure the big teams are envying us for him, but still, it's not like he's a full-grown professional zidane, who'll lead us to every imaginable cup out there. As i said, on the AML position, he will NOT be able to compensate the outstanding work-rate AND experience of nedved, no matter how good he is technically.
Also, i think you haven't really understood how ranieri plays (no offense, though). You're saying that So basically, do you think Nedved and Camo are midfielders who defend? Only because we're not playing a trequartista (and not even a CM to be honest) does NOT mean we're not playing an offensive midfield. We have attacking wingers, and believe it or not, if we wanted to put full pressure on a team and push forward our wingers, we can easily have 4 or 5 possible scorers ready to poach.
Considering this, i think it's not a shame we're playing two DMs very often.