Sebastian Giovinco (32 Viewers)

Would you bring Giovinco back next season?

  • Yeah, we could use him

  • Nope, get rid of him


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JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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“Giovinco is co-owned and his overall worth must be divided in half,”

“If Juventus prove they have the right view of the player, then they will have an advantage in talks compared to other clubs.
Actually we come first regardless of our offer.

“We invested in him when others wouldn’t and paid a big sum for this club’s standards. I don’t see why other clubs should not have to behave the same way.

“Parma paid €1m for the loan plus €3m to buy out half of his contract a year ago. I don’t see why Parma should have to pay when buying players, but once they are leaving the Tardini they are suddenly considered to be cheaper.
Wow, €4m.

“The fact remains Parma do own half of Giovinco’s contract and if Juventus want him back then we must be paid for his true value.
€10m it is.

“Giovinco is the best Italian player out there at the moment.
No he isn't.
 

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Apr 29, 2006
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I don't want to be a dick, so I'm thinking the best thing to do is just walk away from this conversation - I've got some work to do anyway. You've ignored 80% of the previous post, which is fine, but there's nothing here that's really worth replying to.

I did read an article today where Giovinco's agent said today that he's not looking for a guaranteed starting role.

If you want to defend the previous coaches, that's your choice. The results, and circumstances are what they were.

Well maybe one more thing.

No, I don't work for a football club. :D

But for your sake, I sure as shit hope you don't honestly believe that teams spend millions of dollars sending scouts to watch players live, phoning around to talk to professional contacts who know the player, occasionally visiting with family & maybe even some friends (occasionally happens with young players, to gauge maturity/how they act in social settings) watching countless hours of video, etc., and then just log on to FM and think "oh man, this guy's only rated an 11/20 in speed, on FM? I guess I shouldn't buy him then."
Look man, I don't want to be a dick either. You are right and I am sure FM is not be all /end all, but just like you I have no better resources to use. I read all your posts and yes I didn't reply to everything - just those points I had some (important to me) questions about. I am not saying all those coaches are great, but they do have experience and they do work in clubs even like Juve (from time to time)... so they must know something at least...
About Giovinco's agent article - let's be serious here - he has a new article every 4-5 days and they are quite different sometimes. I've read one a few weeks ago where he said he would go there where he would be given a chance and so on... implying a bit more than a substitute role. But then there is the possibility of mistranslations and pure fantasy from the authors of those interviews ...
I am sure teams are spending millions for a good reason, but we aren't seeing a ton of teams following him either. About Inter's interest - we all know its the worst possible measurement for player's quality for several reasons (especially when Juve is involved)...
I respect your opinion, but I have my own as well. Is that wrong?
I am trying not to offend anyone and surely I am probably less knowledgeable than most here, but that doesn't prevent me from asking questions and trying to write down my points.(albeit probably not so successfully :D )
Cheers and
Forza Juve
 

Rollie

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Apr 15, 2008
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just want to comment about a few of your "points"

ppl bring up his stats as a reason to bring him back. But considering he played almost all matches and took all the set pieces they might infact not be as good as they look at first glance.

At any given time you only need one player to take freekicks , corners and penalties. He will not take many at juve, as we have the best in pirlo. No use having 3-4 players who are good at set pieces on the pitch at the same time.

parma have said juve need to pay his value to get him back, and they value him very high. I dont see way you think we will get him "cheap". parma have talked about him valued at 30-40m.

He can be physically weak compared to other players. and still play many matches. his hight and weight oviously plays a big role in that. it doesnt matter if he is 60kg of pure muscle, he still will get pushed of the ball by players 20-30 kg heavier. ok... you might be right about him spending time in the gym. according this site he is the strongest human ever: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/104336/sebastian-giovinco?cc=5739

time will tell whos right, i will remain sceptical for now
DEPTH, Fredrik. Quality DEPTH, for a good price. If you honestly think that rumored 40M valuation is legitimate, you've been huffing glue out back. If he's too expensive, we won't buy him. The numbers I posted put his 50% value between about 10-13M (Then subtract 3-4M, for what they already gave us, for the actual cost).

The fact that he can take set pieces is a BONUS. Just another ASSET. Thanks for effectively pointing out that only 1 player can take a free kick at a time, and that a player who has 30kg over another will usually be able to knock the smaller player off the ball.
 
Apr 29, 2006
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Love the song, but videowise you can use this one as well...


---------- Post added 16.06.2012 at 21:44 ----------

Btw koss, ask the big and tall Lucio what he thought about Giovinco's tiny figure last time they met.
In all honesty Lucio had such a great season last year that he is looking for a new club for the next one. ;)
 

fredrik

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Aug 7, 2011
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DEPTH, Fredrik. Quality DEPTH, for a good price. If you honestly think that rumored 40M valuation is legitimate, you've been huffing glue out back. If he's too expensive, we won't buy him. The numbers I posted put his 50% value between about 10-13M (Then subtract 3-4M, for what they already gave us, for the actual cost).

The fact that he can take set pieces is a BONUS. Just another ASSET. Thanks for effectively pointing out that only 1 player can take a free kick at a time, and that a player who has 30kg over another will usually be able to knock the smaller player off the ball.
no reason to be mad. i just dont think paying 10-13m for 50% of gio is cheap. if we instead sell our part in him thats +10m. so you see we SAVE 20m+.
So explain how that is cheap?
 
Jun 16, 2012
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I think that it's better to play him as a left winger in a formation like 4-3-3, coz when he plays at the center of the front line, his strength may cause some problems for him during some of the matches. On the other hand he is a good dribbler and sometimes scores great goals with long shots so it's nice to see him on the left.
 

LowLife

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Jan 7, 2011
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And here is your stellar argument:


:tup:

They say a picture says a thousand words. Unfortunately for you, this one doesn't say anything at all.
What does this picture tell you? The guy was pushed and he got a foul and the Croatian defender got yellow card. If Giovinco had started the game maybe the croatian guy would have been sent off. Yes he is not very strong physically but you should understand it's not WWE, it's football.
 

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