Sandro Tonali - DM - Brescia (21 Viewers)

[MikeM]

How much of the hype is based on "Has Potential to be Special" in FIFA vs what he is actually doing on the pitch?

I havent watched him play so I am genuinely curious what those that did have to say about him. Does he seem like already an established top player who happens to be also young or has he only shown glimpses and based on his age, he is expected to eventually develop into a top player?

Are there any stats that backup the claim that he is special (special in general not only relative to those at his age).

He is good. He runs, tackles and passes very well. He can dribble an opponent here and there and maintain possession. If you think he will post something like 15 goals + assists every season then you will be disappointed.

Is he a match winner? I'm not sure, to be honest. Is he worth pursuing? Yes.

 

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[X Æ A-12]

that describes all of this forum. they only see the highlights on youtube, and then one poster says his good, so rest repeat it like parrots. don't trust anyone saying they have watched him

people here don't even watch juve play (even you are guilty of it) you think they are going to watch a relegation candidate farmer team?

Tonali is good. Where you may have a point in are the comparisons to Pirlo. Hair maybe but style wise is not that similar to Pirlo imo but folks keep repeating that.

 

[Lion]

He is good. He runs, tackles and passes very well. He can dribble an opponent here and there and maintain possession. If you think he will post something like 15 goals + assists every season then you will be disappointed.

Is he a match winner? I'm not sure, to be honest. Is he worth pursuing? Yes.

so he's a pjanic

 

[MikeM]

so he's a pjanic

Haven't seen Pjanic run, tackle or dribble for a couple months now.

 

[Hist]

The one thing that stands out positively is his key passes average. Is he more of a CAM now? His numbers arent in line with the core duties of a CM or CDM. His pass success rate and avg number of passes per game is terribly low. i.e. he doesnt pass very often and his passing isnt accurate. I was struggling to find any established players with worse numbers in these positions. His tackling avg is 1.2 which is again less than almost any of them.

I do not know how some up here were insisting that he tackles and passes very well. @Lion you are right. No one is watching him. I think the love he is getting here is hype based on perceived promise not actual performances on the pitch. If he comes in now, he will not fix our midfield problems. He is currently a worse passer and tackler than what we have.

Spoiler: Stats

 

[Cerval]

The one thing that stands out positively is his key passes average. Is he more of a CAM now? His numbers arent in line with the core duties of a CM or CDM. His pass success rate and avg number of passes per game is terribly low. i.e. he doesnt pass very often and his passing isnt accurate. I was struggling to find any established players with worse numbers in these positions. His tackling avg is 1.2 which is again less than almost any of them.

I do not know how some up here were insisting that he tackles and passes very well. @Lion you are right. No one is watching him. I think the love he is getting here is hype based on perceived promise not actual performances on the pitch. If he comes in now, he will not fix our midfield problems. He is currently a worse passer and tackler than what we have.

Spoiler: Stats

He plays for Brescia. They may have below 40% possession against most teams so comparing numbers of passes and such might be skewed

 

[DAiDEViL]

Ralle gonna steal him @lgorTudor

 

[Orgut]

The one thing that stands out positively is his key passes average. Is he more of a CAM now? His numbers arent in line with the core duties of a CM or CDM. His pass success rate and avg number of passes per game is terribly low. i.e. he doesnt pass very often and his passing isnt accurate. I was struggling to find any established players with worse numbers in these positions. His tackling avg is 1.2 which is again less than almost any of them.

I do not know how some up here were insisting that he tackles and passes very well. @Lion you are right. No one is watching him. I think the love he is getting here is hype based on perceived promise not actual performances on the pitch. If he comes in now, he will not fix our midfield problems. He is currently a worse passer and tackler than what we have.

Spoiler: Stats

He is a good organizer who contributes to counter attacks - other than that all is hyped over here..

 

[Hist]

He plays for Brescia. They may have below 40% possession against most teams so comparing numbers of passes and such might be skewed

Tackling is low too, which doesnt require possession. I am trying to find an adequate comparison but I cant think of anyone. Even bakayoko, Lars Bender, Pellegrini and Tielemans have better stats, than the so called solution to all our problems. https://screenshot.click/03-43-23jmn-0g65k.png

 

[DAiDEViL]

Tackling is low too, which doesnt require possession. I am trying to find an adequate comparison but I cant think of anyone. Even bakayoko, Lars Bender, Pellegrini and Tielemans have better stats, than the so called solution to all our problems. https://screenshot.click/03-43-23jmn-0g65k.png

I too like stats, but with players like him they don't tell the whole truth.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

He is a good organizer who contributes to counter attacks - other than that all is hyped over here..

I guess you've seen him a lot huh

 

[Orgut]

Tackling is low too, which doesnt require possession. I am trying to find an adequate comparison but I cant think of anyone. Even bakayoko, Lars Bender, Pellegrini and Tielemans have better stats, than the so called solution to all our problems. https://screenshot.click/03-43-23jmn-0g65k.png

Solution to our mid could be Pogba or someone else - SMS and I`d even add Luis Alberto who has some creativity in him even if I think we need someone with more physique
Tonali would just take the vice Pjanic role..

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I guess you've seen him a lot huh

Mostly against top clubs but sometimes also vs weaker teams so yeah I have seen a bit of him..
Kulusevski - Thats a guy I havent seen much of...

 

[Hist]

I too like stats, but with players like him they don't tell the whole truth.

I get that but his stats are thus far showing a weak player in passing and tackling. Worse than Xhaka, Bruno Fernandes, Ndidi and Camavinga.


And the perception here was that he will fix our problems because he would be instantly better than Matuidi, Khedira and Bentacur, at passing and tackling. Not in 3 or 4 years but now.

The data says he is worse at both attributes, and that the one thing he stands out in is key passes. None of us watch him, and so we shouldnt speak too confidently about what he is amazing at.

 

[DAiDEViL]

And the perception here was that he will fix our problems because he would be instantly better than Matuidi, Khedira and Bentacur, at passing and tackling. Not in 3 or 4 years but now.

That might be over the top indeed, to me he simply seems like a promising young italian mid we shouldn't miss out on.

 

[Hist]

Solution to our mid could be Pogba or someone else - SMS and I`d even add Luis Alberto who has some creativity in him even if I think we need someone with more physique
Tonali would just take the vice Pjanic role..

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Mostly against top clubs but sometimes also vs weaker teams so yeah I have seen a bit of him..
Kulusevski - Thats a guy I havent seen much of...

Ironically he is the one guy whose stats are really almost identical to tonali. Same number of tackles and key passes. Higher by 5% in pass success rate than Tonali but the number of passes per game in general is less. But he brings more goals and assists by virtue of playing further up the pitch.

 

[Cerval]

I get that but his stats are thus far showing a weak player in passing and tackling. Worse than Xhaka, Bruno Fernandes, Ndidi and Camavinga.


And the perception here was that he will fix our problems because he would be instantly better than Matuidi, Khedira and Bentacur, at passing and tackling. Not in 3 or 4 years but now.

The data says he is worse at both attributes, and that the one thing he stands out in is key passes. None of us watch him, and so we shouldnt speak too confidently about what he is amazing at.

Weren't you saying de Ligt was a flop?

 

[LiquidPLP]

I get that but his stats are thus far showing a weak player in passing and tackling. Worse than Xhaka, Bruno Fernandes, Ndidi and Camavinga.


And the perception here was that he will fix our problems because he would be instantly better than Matuidi, Khedira and Bentacur, at passing and tackling. Not in 3 or 4 years but now.

The data says he is worse at both attributes, and that the one thing he stands out in is key passes. None of us watch him, and so we shouldnt speak too confidently about what he is amazing at.

19yo midfielder from Brescia is not supposed to set the world on fire the moment he comes. I'd comapre his situation to Bentancur's when he came here. Lots of potential but it would take a couple of years to make that leap. This would be totally fine, we still have Pjanic who is just 30yo. Let the kid grow and eventually work his way through.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

He's not the type to depend on as the sole creative player in midfield. He's just a young, well-rounded midfielder who is at a good level and has the potential for a lot of growth.

But he alone won't be the answer to our midfield.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Tackling is low too, which doesnt require possession. I am trying to find an adequate comparison but I cant think of anyone. Even bakayoko, Lars Bender, Pellegrini and Tielemans have better stats, than the so called solution to all our problems. https://screenshot.click/03-43-23jmn-0g65k.png

he's a young player with mad promise i dont think anyone is saying he is an immediate solution to any problems.

 

[lgorTudor]

Ralle gonna steal him @lgorTudor

Imagine we had Ralle