Sandro Tonali - DM - Brescia (13 Viewers)

[Hust]

I know that there were arguments of Kulusevski Vs. Tonali.


However.


With that deal in place that Inter has, we could have very easily have gotten both of them. Assuming that money was the only issue, which it could very well not be. He could just simply want to go to Inter.

But I think that this deal shows that the financial part of the equation had very little to do with it.

I think we miss Marotta. But if he were still here I wonder if he would have opted for Tonali instead of Kulu? I think he preferred Inter...they are going to have a stacked midfield.

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Losing Pjanic, who is arguably our best midfielder when in form, is still a massive loss, considering the alternatives. We can't go into the new season with a midfield comprised of Rabiot, Bentancur and Arthur, with Locatelli and Matuidi as backups (Kulu as a makeshift mid if necessary - Cuads too). That midfield is a downgrade. It doesn't have to be MVPP, but that midfield is like 7 levels below that.

We aren't even signing Locatelli

 

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[.zero]

Meh, Arthur's still a big question mark imo. Would be nice to have another option in midfield that's not Matuidi or Khedira (or Ramsey who isn't actually an option)

With regard to Arthur:

1. At best he's another bandaid applied to the broken midfield since 2015
2. At worst he sees less time on the field for us due to poor fitness, conditioning, injuries

I don't see him being a core element of the type of midfield required to conquer Europe

 

[KB824]

I think we miss Marotta. But if he were still here I wonder if he would have opted for Tonali instead of Kulu? I think he preferred Inter...they are going to have a stacked midfield.

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We aren't even signing Locatelli

Marotta wasn't the one who searched for the talent. That was and still is Fabio's job. It's the economic aspect and the structuring of the deals that is Marotta's strong suit.

 

[.zero]

TBH none of this makes any sense from a Juventus fan perspective

 

[Hust]

Marotta wasn't the one who searched for the talent. That was and still is Fabio's job. It's the economic aspect and the structuring of the deals that is Marotta's strong suit.

Yes, my question was't about scouting it was about whether or not Marotta would have preferred a 10m +25m Tonali deal or the 40m Kulu deal.

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TBH none of this makes any sense from a Juventus fan perspective

Elaborate.

 

[JuveJay]

How many Tonali's have Inter signed now?

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

With regard to Arthur:

1. At best he's another bandaid applied to the broken midfield since 2015
2. At worst he sees less time on the field for us due to poor fitness, conditioning, injuries

I don't see him being a core element of the type of midfield required to conquer Europe

Agreed.

A midfield of Benta, Arthur and Rabiot would, at best, just allow us to get by domestically but is certainly not a dominant type of midfield.

 

[KB824]

Yes, my question was't about scouting it was about whether or not Marotta would have preferred a 10m +25m Tonali deal or the 40m Kulu deal.

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Elaborate.

Given the economic construct of both of those deals, I don't think it would have been an either/or. However, just as it was rumored that Tonali preferred Inter, Kulusevski came right out and said he preferred us.


So, the wishes of both players probably played into both.

 

[.zero]

Given the economic construct of both of those deals, I don't think it would have been an either/or. However, just as it was rumored that Tonali preferred Inter, Kulusevski came right out and said he preferred us.


So, the wishes of both players probably played into both.

The question now is why?

For being a historically nationalist club, why are young domestic talents preferring the Made in China™ club?

There is a greater issue at play here

 

[KB824]

The question now is why?

For being a historically nationalist club, why are young domestic talents preferring the Made in China™ club?

There is a greater issue at play here

Because not every Italian has grown up as a Juve fan. That's the major difference with this sport, compared to every other one that has a draft system.

These young players have a choice.

 

[Hust]

The question now is why?

For being a historically nationalist club, why are young domestic talents preferring the Made in China™ club?

There is a greater issue at play here

Could be our lack of progress for youth players ever achieving success here.

 

[campionesidd]

Why have we completely stopped these loan with obligation to buy deals?
Does Paratici not know how to fill out paperwork?

 

[Hust]

Why have we completely stopped these loan with obligation to buy deals?
Does Paratici not know how to fill out paperwork?

I guess that was an Marotta-only menu item.

 

[.zero]

Because not every Italian has grown up as a Juve fan. That's the major difference with this sport, compared to every other one that has a draft system.

These young players have a choice.

I'm not disagreeing with you here but that cannot be the biggest factor at play

Could be our lack of progress for youth players ever achieving success here.

This could certainly be a factor but not the contributing majority

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

The question now is why?

For being a historically nationalist club, why are young domestic talents preferring the Made in China™ club?

There is a greater issue at play here

 

[Hust]

I'm not disagreeing with you here but that cannot be the biggest factor at play



This could certainly be a factor but not the contributing majority

Sure, but any young player excelling at lower clubs must obviously see how this club doesn't excel in developing youth on a steady projection..we need to fix that.

 

[.zero]

Sure, but any young player excelling at lower clubs must obviously see how this club doesn't excel in developing youth on a steady projection..we need to fix that.

100% agree

 

[Post Ironic]

Could be our lack of progress for youth players ever achieving success here.

In the last several years in our midfield, 19 yr Pogba exploded into a superstar, Rodrigo Bentancur has steadily grown into a top class CM since arriving at 19, and even Vidal was only 24 when he arrived and turned into a top 3 CM in all of football while here. We haven’t been good at developing young players for sure, but there are a couple great examples of it in the mid especially (and Dybala too). Also, how do we ever achieve progress in developing young players if we don’t buy the highest potential youngsters like Tonali? Because we rarely buy them.

This seems a clear cut case of us not valuing the player highly enough and allowing ourselves to get outbid. Disappointing given he’s such a hugely promising young Italian who could become a decade long starter here, but I suppose we shall have to wait and see how it turns out. I really hope this isn’t another Verratti situation

 

[.zero]

More likely than not it's shaping up to be another Verratti situation

but I suppose like the hiring of Sarri, time will tell

 

[KB824]

Could be our lack of progress for youth players ever achieving success here.

Big difference though in buying players for the youth academy and not progressing, and buying ready made young players from other clubs.

Tonali certainly does not fall into the first category, and I don't think this would have any influence on his decision