Sami Khedira (58 Viewers)

[Quetzalcoatl]

What are you talking about? I have to decide what his strength are? His strengths will be the same regardless of what I think.

I can't speak too much about him as a player before he played for Juve because I haven't seen enough of him playing back then but considering that before his injury he was a starter for Real and remained starter for Germany even after his injury I'd say we can safely say he was WC even then.

20 games is more than big enough sample size to see what the player has to offer and in case of Khedira he offers a lot in terms of stability and offers enough attacking impetus. I don't really see any weakness to his game which is probably the best compliment to give any midfielder.

Well not necessarily you, but others were saying he's great and world class because of his goal/assist record. But that's not the type of player he is. 20 games in a career of more than 10 years doesn't prove that.

Stating that Champions league, World cup, Bundesliga, La Liga and Copa del Rey winner can't play for a top 3 team in Europe doesn't really make sense.

There are many average players who have done those things, but obviously not that combination of things... Being part of teams that win things doesn't necessarily make the player world class... And I didn't say he couldn't play for a top 3 team, but we can do better. In fact, he's the only starting player I think we can realistically improve on.

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Great way of twisting words. Im saying you can't have an impressive goalscoring record while being the DM in a 2 man midfield while having 4 offensive players infront of you. Scoring goals is not what you are supposed to do then

You still haven't told me what he does to make him world class.

 

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[Cerval]

He's a good player but some people makes it look like he's the second coming of Jesus.

 

[il brutto]

There are many average players who have done those things, but obviously not that combination of things... Being part of teams that win things doesn't necessarily make the player world class... And I didn't say he couldn't play for a top 3 team, but we can do better. In fact, he's the only starting player I think we can realistically improve on.

If you win all those things and play a big part in those teams you really need to be something special. I don't see a player that we could realistically sign who would bench Khedira. Our starting eleven overall is something that is really hard to improve on.

I've mentioned multiple things that make him world class: movement, ability on the ball, decision making, passing, composure just to name a few that make him a great player and as I already stated I can't think anything that he isn't good at really.

 

[Osman]

For what it's worth Matt I fullt agree with you. Most of these glowing posts are just honey eyed perspectives. Khedira is very clever and highly experienced in top level GOOD player. But he is not world class at all. Completely watering down the term to say it, and not a single one of them would say it if he wasn't a Juve player.

You can like him and rate his balanced level of play without going googly eyed.

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[il brutto]

For what it's worth Matt I fullt agree with you. Most of these glowing posts are just honey eyed perspectives. Khedira is very clever and highly experienced in top level GOOD player. But he is not world class at all. Completely watering down the term to say it, and not a single one of them would say it if he wasn't a Juve player.

You can like him and rate his balanced level of play without going googly eyed.

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I have to disagree. I think he is vastly underrated because he is very unflashy even by most Juve fans.

 

[zizinho]

You still haven't told me what he does to make him world class.

Funny cuz i don't remember you asking me such a question at all. And I still dont know why you brought his goalscoring rate as a DM at Real into discussion.

But to answer you - positioning, off ball movement, holding the ball, marking are some of his qualities that make him a WC player

 

[DAiDEViL]

agreed @Osman.

but still, who can we buy for ≈ €30m who is an serious upgrade over Khedira?

i see absolutely no reason to sell him. if we find someone better - fine. i'd still keep Khedira. great first choice CM back up for 3 positions. we already lack first class back ups.
if we don't find someone better i'm ok with it too. it's not like he is a weak spot.

 

[Osman]

Unflashy? I'm a Juve fan for over two decades now, I loved top quality grinta players who were Unflashy as heck. Its not that decisive of a factor at all. It's boil down to watching a player long enough, and seen him many times before coming to a Juve. He is a quite good role player in the absolute top level for most of his pro career. But he is not a top top player or world class at all. It's little that indicates that Imo. It's not insulting or something that should be too hard to come to terms with.

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[zizinho]

agreed @Osman.

but still, who can we buy for ≈ €30m who is an serious upgrade over Khedira?

i see absolutely no reason to sell him. if we find someone better - fine. i'd still keep Khedira. great first choice CM back up for 3 positions. we already lack first class back ups.
if we don't find someone better i'm ok with it too. it's not like he is a weak spot.

No one. Very few CMs are better and most arent available

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Unflashy? I'm a Juve fan for over two decades now, I loved top quality grinta players who were Unflashy as heck. Its not that decisive of a factor at all. It's boil down to watching a player long enough, and seen him many times before coming to a Juve. He is a quite good role player in the absolute top level for most of his pro career. But he is not a top top player or world class at all. It's little that indicates that Imo. It's not insulting or something that should be too hard to come to terms with.

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Role players dont start for WC semifinalists, EURO semifinalists, WC winners, 4 time CL semifinalists and CL winners. If Khedira is a role player then Marchisio is one too

 

[Osman]

agreed @Osman.

but still, who can we buy for ≈ €30m who is an serious upgrade over Khedira?

i see absolutely no reason to sell him. if we find someone better - fine. i'd still keep Khedira. great first choice CM back up for 3 positions. we already lack first class back ups.
if we don't find someone better i'm ok with it too. it's not like he is a weak spot.

Unless he breaks down completely for long period or we receive insane offer for him, I would bitch slap any a Juve fan who would suggest we should sell him. He is a very good player and is exactly the kind of top choice rotation or squad player or occasional fine starting role player a top team should have (me and @lgorTudor mentioned this plenty of times). But it doesn't mean he is world class nor does it mean he is irreplaceable. It's not unreasonable to wish for better and still keep him in the squad.

More so considering he replaced a considerably better player little over half year ago (that costed modest sum too), it's not unrealistic possibility either. Tho discovering that kind of top level player won't be easy. But doable.

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[il brutto]

Unflashy? I'm a Juve fan for over two decades now, I loved top quality grinta players who were Unflashy as heck. Its not that decisive of a factor at all. It's boil down to watching a player long enough, and seen him many times before coming to a Juve. He is a quite good role player in the absolute top level for most of his pro career. But he is not a top top player or world class at all. It's little that indicates that Imo. It's not insulting or something that should be too hard to come to terms with.

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I'm not saying you specifically underrate him for not being flashy enough but I feel there are many fans that do. Anyways I don't think we'll agree on this I just rate him more and feel he will be an even bigger success for us next season but we'll see.

 

[Cerval]

Role players dont start for WC semifinalists, EURO semifinalists, WC winners, 4 time CL semifinalists and CL winners. If Khedira is a role player then Marchisio is one too

You're again suggesting both have the same onfield impact

 

[Osman]

Role players dont start for WC semifinalists, EURO semifinalists, WC winners, 4 time CL semifinalists and CL winners. If Khedira is a role player then Marchisio is one too

That's a stupid friggin post. Yes they do for sure. Go look over most top teams or top nations in these high level games and tell me they are only filled with world class or top players.


Marchisio is clearly the better player right now, the fact you keep mentioning him seems funny to me.

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[zizinho]

You're again suggesting both have the same onfield impact

Im not (again). If you read what I said 1st time you would know

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That's a stupid friggin post. Yes they do for sure. Go look over most top teams or top nations in these high level games and tell me they are only filled with world class or top players.

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Tell me some role players that start for top tier teams

 

[duranfj]

What is he bad at though?

Fix it

 

[zizinho]

Fix it

Nothing is the answer

 

[duranfj]

No. Marchisio hasn't even scored for the season, yet is still one of our best and most important players.

Khedira is great because his good positioning allows him to score goals and assists, yet only has 29 goals in a 238 game club career.

P.S. not trolling, DAI. He's a solid, dependable player. But great???

Just think about this. With a 90 min Khedira in the field of Munich we definitely would win that stupid game. What does it tell you?

 

[Cerval]

Fix it

Juve has some standard to live up to, if not being bad was the requirement to play for us we wouldn't go far

Btw, not saying he's not Juve worthy. He is, but as a squad player, not first team at least in the best of worlds.

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For now, he's a decent option.

 

[duranfj]

Nothing is the answer

Elementary. My dear friend

 

[zizinho]

Juve has some standard to live up to, if not being bad was the requirement to play for us we wouldn't go far

Btw, not saying he's not Juve worthy. He is, but as a squad player, not first team at least in the best of worlds.

So hes worthy to start for the world champions but not worthy of starting for Juve? OK then