Same secs attraction (7 Viewers)

Tifoso

Sempre e solo Juve
Aug 12, 2005
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#22
++ [ originally posted by Layce Erayce ] ++
Predisposed genetically? Conditioned by environment?

Which one is closer to the truth in your experience?

Scientists tend to say its a combination of both, but more nurture than nature.

In my case, I used to think it was genetic, but as I began therapy, I realised that there was a large portion which was conditioned by my environment.

Im conflicted between whether I want to "change" or be this way. Each has its pros and cons of course. A part of me believes I will "automatically" revert back to pure 100% heterosexuality as I progress into therapy, dealing with the issues that brought this about, and I dont know what to think of it.

I want to know what people think about homosexuality, and why. I want to discuss this.
If you are conflicted--then you want to change. It isn't too late.

Look, lets put it this way: my genes predispose me to being, say, hypertensive. It is "what I am". But we are built to be more than "what we are". I can choose to be more than my genes--it is what really makes me human. To be held to a higher standard, if you will. To change my life-style to avoid/control my hypertension.
I may tend toward overdrinking (say)--I must rise above it and refuse/push the extra glass away.

I am not an animal-- neither, obviously, are you. Rise above it. Rise to your highest calling--not your lowest. You can do it. :)
 
Apr 12, 2004
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#23
++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++


If you are conflicted--then you want to change. It isn't too late.

Look, lets put it this way: my genes predispose me to being, say, hypertensive. It is "what I am". But we are built to be more than "what we are". I can choose to be more than my genes--it is what really makes me human. To be held to a higher standard, if you will. To change my life-style to avoid/control my hypertension.
I may tend toward overdrinking (say)--I must rise above it and refuse/push the extra glass away.

I am not an animal-- neither, obviously, are you. Rise above it. Rise to your highest calling--not your lowest. You can do it. :)
Are you comparing being gay to drinking?

If you are, I hope you choke on the next cock you suck.

:)
 

Shoryuken

Senior Member
Jan 7, 2005
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#24
++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++


If you are conflicted--then you want to change. It isn't too late.

Look, lets put it this way: my genes predispose me to being, say, hypertensive. It is "what I am". But we are built to be more than "what we are". I can choose to be more than my genes--it is what really makes me human. To be held to a higher standard, if you will. To change my life-style to avoid/control my hypertension.
I may tend toward overdrinking (say)--I must rise above it and refuse/push the extra glass away.

I am not an animal-- neither, obviously, are you. Rise above it. Rise to your highest calling--not your lowest. You can do it. :)
Ah man Tifoso what are you saying:LOL:

Only you can say that homosexuallity is an illness that must be stopped and be really friendly at the same time.

Come on man, be a little more open minded, judging by your phrasing it seems(tell me if im way off) that maybe your religion prohibits you from being open minded in this matter.

Maybe im wrong but after that post you strike me as someone deeply religous. There is nothing wrong with that, just a observation.:)

I say let people be the way they wanna be as long as they dont hurt anybody.
 

Tom

The DJ
Oct 30, 2001
11,726
#25
++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++


If you are conflicted--then you want to change. It isn't too late.

Look, lets put it this way: my genes predispose me to being, say, hypertensive. It is "what I am". But we are built to be more than "what we are". I can choose to be more than my genes--it is what really makes me human. To be held to a higher standard, if you will. To change my life-style to avoid/control my hypertension.
I may tend toward overdrinking (say)--I must rise above it and refuse/push the extra glass away.

I am not an animal-- neither, obviously, are you. Rise above it. Rise to your highest calling--not your lowest. You can do it. :)
Can't see that one going down too well. And you throw up a fuss when I say I don't believe in god. Jeez..
 
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Layce Erayce

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Aug 11, 2002
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  • Thread Starter #26
    ++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++


    Can't see that one going down too well. And you throw up a fuss when I say I don't believe in god. Jeez..
    Actually he wouldnt be too far off the mark. AFAIK it cannot be genes. How many gay individuals have been found in other cultures? If it was genes the presence of homosexuals would be even across all cultures, which it isnt. Of course you could argue that they havent "come out" in their cultures due to homophobia, but there are few reports of hutus secretly having sex with other hutus, etc. In contrast, the ancient greeks participated in a lot of back-door-entering. Was that a sudden genetic anomaly?

    If in fact it were a gene, it would die out as homosexuals arent exactly known for making babies either.

    While I do believe there is likely some kind of pre-natal disposition to same-sex attraction, it pales in comparison to environmental conditioning- which is why so many gay individuals are found in the suburbs/urban areas as opposed to rural areas.

    Tifoso Lou: Your right in that people should theoretically change. But why is it that so few people do manage to change?
     
    Mar 6, 2005
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    ++ [ originally posted by Layce Erayce ] ++


    Actually he wouldnt be too far off the mark. AFAIK it cannot be genes. How many gay individuals have been found in other cultures? If it was genes the presence of homosexuals would be even across all cultures, which it isnt. Of course you could argue that they havent "come out" in their cultures due to homophobia, but there are few reports of hutus secretly having sex with other hutus, etc. In contrast, the ancient greeks participated in a lot of back-door-entering. Was that a sudden genetic anomaly?

    If in fact it were a gene, it would die out as homosexuals arent exactly known for making babies either.

    While I do believe there is likely some kind of pre-natal disposition to same-sex attraction, it pales in comparison to environmental conditioning- which is why so many gay individuals are found in the suburbs/urban areas as opposed to rural areas.

    Tifoso Lou: Your right in that people should theoretically change. But why is it that so few people do manage to change?
    Ah, this is where what I've learned so far about genes comes in so far.. It could be one gene, or it could be many different genes that affect this.. Also, let's not forget that homosexuality could be caused by a recessive allele, instead of a dominant one, which means that it could pass through 'straight' families as well.. That's why I don't think it's gonna die out..

    Genes are a very complicated thing, really.. I'll be sure to look into them in the future, too..
     
    Jan 7, 2004
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    #28
    ++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++


    If you are conflicted--then you want to change. It isn't too late.

    Look, lets put it this way: my genes predispose me to being, say, hypertensive. It is "what I am". But we are built to be more than "what we are". I can choose to be more than my genes--it is what really makes me human. To be held to a higher standard, if you will. To change my life-style to avoid/control my hypertension.
    I may tend toward overdrinking (say)--I must rise above it and refuse/push the extra glass away.

    I am not an animal-- neither, obviously, are you. Rise above it. Rise to your highest calling--not your lowest. You can do it. :)


    :lazy:
     

    Dan

    Back & Quack
    Mar 9, 2004
    9,290
    #29
    ++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++


    If you are conflicted--then you want to change. It isn't too late.

    Look, lets put it this way: my genes predispose me to being, say, hypertensive. It is "what I am". But we are built to be more than "what we are". I can choose to be more than my genes--it is what really makes me human. To be held to a higher standard, if you will. To change my life-style to avoid/control my hypertension.
    I may tend toward overdrinking (say)--I must rise above it and refuse/push the extra glass away.

    I am not an animal-- neither, obviously, are you. Rise above it. Rise to your highest calling--not your lowest. You can do it. :)
    oh dear. maybe you should rise above giving a shit whether people are gay or not.
     

    Dan

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    Mar 9, 2004
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    #30
    Anyway, on the subject matter, I believe that it is a combination or either. Bi people might carry trauma or experiences that help them lean towards homosexuality, for example the loss of a father figure, or lack of one.

    On the flip side, perhaps there is genetic reasons as to why people are '100%' gay. A chemical imbalance perhaps? Something perhaps went ' amiss' in the genetical coding and is more balanced to one side then another?
     
    Mar 6, 2005
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    #31
    ++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++
    Anyway, on the subject matter, I believe that it is a combination or either. Bi people might carry trauma or experiences that help them lean towards homosexuality, for example the loss of a father figure, or lack of one.

    On the flip side, perhaps there is genetic reasons as to why people are '100%' gay. A chemical imbalance perhaps? Something perhaps went ' amiss' in the genetical coding and is more balanced to one side then another?
    I think a lot of things will be cleared up soon as the Human Genome Project reaches completion.. Right about now, there's still some 10% of the human genes that they haven't cracked yet.. (last time I checked)..
     

    Zé Tahir

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    Dec 10, 2004
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    #33
    ++ [ originally posted by Layce Erayce ] ++


    Actually he wouldnt be too far off the mark. AFAIK it cannot be genes. How many gay individuals have been found in other cultures? If it was genes the presence of homosexuals would be even across all cultures, which it isnt. Of course you could argue that they havent "come out" in their cultures due to homophobia, but there are few reports of hutus secretly having sex with other hutus, etc. In contrast, the ancient greeks participated in a lot of back-door-entering. Was that a sudden genetic anomaly?

    If in fact it were a gene, it would die out as homosexuals arent exactly known for making babies either.

    While I do believe there is likely some kind of pre-natal disposition to same-sex attraction, it pales in comparison to environmental conditioning- which is why so many gay individuals are found in the suburbs/urban areas as opposed to rural areas.

    Tifoso Lou: Your right in that people should theoretically change. But why is it that so few people do manage to change?
    I think that's a fair observation. I don't agree that it's genetical either.

    Brilliant!
    If in fact it were a gene, it would die out as homosexuals arent exactly known for making babies either.
    Nawaf, quit smoking that grass :p
     
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    Layce Erayce

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    Aug 11, 2002
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    ++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++
    Anyway, on the subject matter, I believe that it is a combination or either. Bi people might carry trauma or experiences that help them lean towards homosexuality, for example the loss of a father figure, or lack of one.
    But where does the erotic attraction come in? I'd understand a platonic attraction- after all, that bears some kind of resemblance to a father-son relationship, but when/how does that make one homosexual, ie prefer their own kind for sex.

    Oh, and the genome project was completed in 2003 ;)

    http://www.genome.gov/11006929
     

    GordoDeCentral

    Diez
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    Apr 14, 2005
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    #36
    ++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++


    If you are conflicted--then you want to change. It isn't too late.

    Look, lets put it this way: my genes predispose me to being, say, hypertensive. It is "what I am". But we are built to be more than "what we are". I can choose to be more than my genes--it is what really makes me human. To be held to a higher standard, if you will. To change my life-style to avoid/control my hypertension.
    I may tend toward overdrinking (say)--I must rise above it and refuse/push the extra glass away.

    I am not an animal-- neither, obviously, are you. Rise above it. Rise to your highest calling--not your lowest. You can do it. :)

    hey man dont let the negative comments get to you. You've touched on something there, big up!
     

    mikhail

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    Jan 24, 2003
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    #37
    ++ [ originally posted by Layce Erayce ] ++
    ...many gay individuals are found in the suburbs/urban areas as opposed to rural areas.
    I remember reading a theory once that homosexuality might be a sort of population control mechanism. I found it funny at the time, as it reminded me of the plot of Jurrasic Park. :) I don't know if that's gotten any attention or been discredited or what, but it's a nice idea.

    ++ [ originally posted by Nawaf ] ++
    I think a lot of things will be cleared up soon as the Human Genome Project reaches completion.. Right about now, there's still some 10% of the human genes that they haven't cracked yet.. (last time I checked)..
    I think they've mapped 100% now. They just don't really understand how it all works! There's a lot of complicated interaction between the genes.
     
    Mar 6, 2005
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    #38
    ++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++

    I remember reading a theory once that homosexuality might be a sort of population control mechanism. I found it funny at the time, as it reminded me of the plot of Jurrasic Park. :) I don't know if that's gotten any attention or been discredited or what, but it's a nice idea.


    I think they've mapped 100% now. They just don't really understand how it all works! There's a lot of complicated interaction between the genes.
    Yeah, I meant when they're done with that.. :D
     

    Enron

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    Oct 11, 2005
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    Alexander the Great was gay and so were many of the great Roman leaders. In ancient times it was more manly to plug a dude and women were there for food and babies. Homosexuality has been around for ages. Who cares why dudes wanna love each other? As long as its love. We get excited when too girls to the samething. Im gonna call on John Lennon here and say "Let it be".
     

    GordoDeCentral

    Diez
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    Apr 14, 2005
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    ++ [ originally posted by Enron ] ++
    Alexander the Great was gay and so were many of the great Roman leaders. In ancient times it was more manly to plug a dude and women were there for food and babies. Homosexuality has been around for ages. Who cares why dudes wanna love each other? As long as its love. We get excited when too girls to the samething. Im gonna call on John Lennon here and say "Let it be".
    Actually the excitement of two girls doing it is particular to few cultures and is definitely not a universal attraction.
     

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