Same secs attraction (16 Viewers)

[Layce Erayce]

Predisposed genetically? Conditioned by environment?

Which one is closer to the truth in your experience?

Scientists tend to say its a combination of both, but more nurture than nature.

In my case, I used to think it was genetic, but as I began therapy, I realised that there was a large portion which was conditioned by my environment.

Im conflicted between whether I want to "change" or be this way. Each has its pros and cons of course. A part of me believes I will "automatically" revert back to pure 100% heterosexuality as I progress into therapy, dealing with the issues that brought this about, and I dont know what to think of it.

I want to know what people think about homosexuality, and why. I want to discuss this.

 

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[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I am sooooo a lesbian.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

what the hell is "same secs"?!?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Sex?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

OR the same religious types.

 

[swag]

I wanna sects change.

 

[Layce Erayce]

++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++
what the hell is "same secs"?!?

i didnt use the word. unless juventuz wants useless referrals from people looking for porn.

 

[swag]

That might explain all the bestiality sites in the referrals of the stats page, but then I thought that was just Marty's surfing habits.

 

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++ [ originally posted by Layce Erayce ] ++
Predisposed genetically? Conditioned by environment?

Which one is closer to the truth in your experience?

Scientists tend to say its a combination of both, but more nurture than nature.

In my case, I used to think it was genetic, but as I began therapy, I realised that there was a large portion which was conditioned by my environment.

Im conflicted between whether I want to "change" or be this way. Each has its pros and cons of course. A part of me believes I will "automatically" revert back to pure 100% heterosexuality as I progress into therapy, dealing with the issues that brought this about, and I dont know what to think of it.

I want to know what people think about homosexuality, and why. I want to discuss this.

I'm not sure what to say, though you should know that sexual orientation was found to probably be in one of the genes people have.. A test was made, and it seems that homosexuals have some shady area where there isn't in straight people.. :undecide:

Even if you didn't become like this because of genes only, you should know that these things only helped activate the latent gene within you.. You are still you, and nothing can change that, I'm afraid..

One last note, you shouldn't try to change who you are. It is very unhealthy to do so..

Good Luck, anyways..

 

[GordoDeCentral]

++ [ originally posted by Nawaf ] ++


I'm not sure what to say, though you should know that sexual orientation was found to probably be in one of the genes people have.. A test was made, and it seems that homosexuals have some shady area where there isn't in straight people.. :undecide:

Even if you didn't become like this because of genes only, you should know that these things only helped activate the latent gene within you.. You are still you, and nothing can change that, I'm afraid..

One last note, you shouldn't try to change who you are. It is very unhealthy to do so..

Good Luck, anyways..

Sometimes it is better to keep silent when one doesn't know what to say. And on that last note of yours what is "you" anyway? can you tell me who you-nawaf are? this is a compex matter that cannot be answered so lightly. Being unaware of the age and circumstances surrounding the individual, one cannot pronounce himself for fear of said-individual's impressionability. I suggested you retract your comment since you, yourself admitted to not having a hold on the subject.

 

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++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++


Sometimes it is better to keep silent when one doesn't know what to say. And on that last note of yours what is "you" anyway? can you tell me who you-nawaf are? this is a compex matter that cannot be answered so lightly. Being unaware of the age and circumstances surrounding the individual, one cannot pronounce himself for fear of said-individual's impressionability. I suggested you retract your comment since you, yourself admitted to not having a hold on the subject.

Hey, I'm just offering advice.. Something that he could take up with his therapist..

And, yes, I know who I am, but I can't exactly explain it.. That's good enough for me..

 

[GordoDeCentral]

why do you get out of bed every morning?

 

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++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++
why do you get out of bed every morning?

tbh, I don't even know if I want to get out of bed..

but, anyways, this'll have to continued later.. I gotta run..

 

[GordoDeCentral]

have a good one

 

[mikhail]

I don't think science has an answer to your question Josh, and I'm not going to try. Maybe you're right, maybe not. Does it matter? You are what you are. I don't agree with Nawaf - changing who you are isn't something intrinsically negative. I wouldn't stress over it though.

 

[Slagathor]

An article in the Guardian a few weeks ago argued that scientists have found a gene that deals with sexuality, they are, however, uncertain at this point whether that particular gene really dictates one's sexual preference.

Regarding nurture; it seems that nurture is only a very small part of sexuality. There have been quite some interesting studies which I'm sure you can find at your local library, Josh, where twins have been closely watched from birth. They received the exact same upbringing, but sometimes one of them would be gay, sometimes they'd both be, sometimes neither would be. The parents reported signs (and fears, let's be frank) of homosexuality in one of their twin children early on; often as early 2 or 3 years old. One of the twins distinctly preferring to play with girls, is one such sign.

Well that's off the top of my head anyway. But like I said; look up some of these reports in your library or perhaps they're even around on the internet...

 

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A friend pointed me to this site:
http://www.godmademegay.com/Letter.htm

A few, after psychotherapy, report successful change. It is believed that most of these are not true homosexuals, but because of some trauma in childhood they adopted homosexual traits; with these, psychotherapy can often do away with the results of the trauma and lead the person back to his or her natural heterosexuality. The results of extensive psychotherapy with homosexuals who desperately wanted to change their orientation have been studied, and several books document the disheartening lack of success of their time, money and efforts. In 1998 the APA adopted a position opposing any therapy designed to change a person's sexual orientation. The APA President stated, "There is no scientific evidence that reparative or conversion therapy is effective in changing a person's sexual orientation. There is, however, evidence that this type of therapy can be destructive."1-2

That paragraph stood out most for me..

 

[GordoDeCentral]

the source looks as objecftive as can be

 

[Layce Erayce]

Very interesting responses from everybody. Thanks for the input.

Nawaf, I have heard about a lot of research related to the paragraph you quoted, with a whole lot of conclusions drawn from it. Im looking into it a little more atm.

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
An article in the Guardian a few weeks ago argued that scientists have found a gene that deals with sexuality, they are, however, uncertain at this point whether that particular gene really dictates one's sexual preference.

Regarding nurture; it seems that nurture is only a very small part of sexuality. There have been quite some interesting studies which I'm sure you can find at your local library, Josh, where twins have been closely watched from birth. They received the exact same upbringing, but sometimes one of them would be gay, sometimes they'd both be, sometimes neither would be. The parents reported signs (and fears, let's be frank) of homosexuality in one of their twin children early on; often as early 2 or 3 years old. One of the twins distinctly preferring to play with girls, is one such sign.

Well that's off the top of my head anyway. But like I said; look up some of these reports in your library or perhaps they're even around on the internet...

Im interested in the guardian article. All the scientific articles I happen upon are heavily politicised along anti-gay or gay-activist lines. Even the conditions under which homosexuality was removed from the DSM seemed more hype than science.

Another issue that comes up is gender identity vs. sexual preference. If a child were to prefer playing with girls, what would that be based on? As children dont demonstrate any concrete gender differences (besides obvious reproductive organs) until they reach puberty. Does that mean the child's preference to play with girls is due to their genitals? And apart from gender identity, how does who they play with affect their sexual preference?

Are people sexually attracted to the opposite gender of who they relate to as children?

PS- Im not gay. Just open.

 

[Layce Erayce]

In their August 1996 article "Is Homophobia Associated with Homosexual Arousal?," published in the Journal of Abnormal Psychology (Vol. 105, Is. 3, pp. 440-445) researchers Adams, Wright and Lohr wrote:

"The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n=35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n=29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980).

The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992).

Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression.

Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies."
8/96 Journal of Abnormal Psychology

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