Saddam Hussein Sentenced to Death (18 Viewers)

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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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Sadomin said:
Not personal you say? You hail the one man who started a war which cost the lives of two close relatives of mine, as some kind of rebel in a positive sense. It doesn't get much more personal than that. What more heroes do you have? Pol Pot? Stalin?
I'm so sorry for your loss...

He is not my hero, but you can't blame him for losing your close relatives...

You know that it was a war between two parties, and it wasn't Iraq only that killed the other party...
 

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sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
8,020
#22
Erik-with-a-k said:
I disagree. I think Saddam's death will turn out to be shockingly irrelevant.
same here, the violence thats occurring now isnt abt him. There r his followers but there r also the extremists who simply dont care abt him.
 

Slagathor

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Jul 25, 2001
22,708
#23
ReBeL said:
Sunnis are already so annoyed by the current situation, and his killing will be seen as another cooperation for the Shia'as with the occupiers, which will lead to more violent fights...
No, I'm not buying it. It's too simplistic.

By dethroning Saddam Hussein and introducing "democracy", the US have effectively placed the whole nation under the rule of the Shia majority. The army (mainly lead by Sunni officers) was dissembled, over fifty thousand bureaucrats (most of them Sunni) were fired and dozens of state owned companies (usually managed by Sunni) were closed. The old Iraq ceased to exist completely.

Ever since then, the Shia leaders have been fully opposed to strike deals of compromise with their Sunni counterparts (not that the Sunni part of the population actually possesses leaders as such). Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki (I might be wrong on the spelling here) has been known to point out that if all authority was granted to the Iraqi army, order would be restored within months. It's not too extreme to say that he intends for the Sunni to be crushed.

The Sunni in turn are possessed with an urge to fight seeing as they have all the reason in the world to believe they are fighting for their very existence. They are infuriated the US toppled their position of power to a point where they are blind to recognise that if the American troops were to leave this instant, they would probably be massacred in the vacuum left behind.

All of this is taking place in a nation partially torn. Partially, because Kurdistan as an autonomous region is relatively calm, unemployment is falling and because it has leaders looking to the West, its economy is slowly but surely starting to climb out of the black hole it was stuck in. Which means the Kurds are well beyond the stage where they care about what happens to Saddam. Quite simply, they have moved on and that means one population group is already completely indifferent regarding the old dictator.

That leads me to conclude Saddam's death would play a very marginal role in the conflict given that:
1) The conflict has evolved well beyond the stage where the Sunni population is trying to restore the old balance and put Hussein back in charge.
2) Kurdistan is a success story and the Kurds stopped caring about him altogether.

The only significant impact Saddam Hussein could possibly have: is if the Americans were to somehow stop his death. Which is tricky. It would probably anger the Shia, but it might make the Sunni realise the Americans are not their biggest problem. An American interference might, in a very hopeful scenario, create new possibilities of finding a solution to the conflict.

A conflict which in essence has moved well beyond a stage where it matters a great deal if Saddam lives or dies.
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
#25
Erik-with-a-k said:
No, I'm not buying it. It's too simplistic.

By dethroning Saddam Hussein and introducing "democracy", the US have effectively placed the whole nation under the rule of the Shia majority. The army (mainly lead by Sunni officers) was dissembled, over fifty thousand bureaucrats (most of them Sunni) were fired and dozens of state owned companies (usually managed by Sunni) were closed. The old Iraq ceased to exist completely.

Ever since then, the Shia leaders have been fully opposed to strike deals of compromise with their Sunni counterparts (not that the Sunni part of the population actually possesses leaders as such). Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki (I might be wrong on the spelling here) has been known to point out that if all authority was granted to the Iraqi army, order would be restored within months. It's not too extreme to say that he intends for the Sunni to be crushed.

The Sunni in turn are possessed with an urge to fight seeing as they have all the reason in the world to believe they are fighting for their very existence. They are infuriated the US toppled their position of power to a point where they are blind to recognise that if the American troops were to leave this instant, they would probably be massacred in the vacuum left behind.

All of this is taking place in a nation partially torn. Partially, because Kurdistan as an autonomous region is relatively calm, unemployment is falling and because it has leaders looking to the West, its economy is slowly but surely starting to climb out of the black hole it was stuck in. Which means the Kurds are well beyond the stage where they care about what happens to Saddam. Quite simply, they have moved on and that means one population group is already completely indifferent regarding the old dictator.

That leads me to conclude Saddam's death would play a very marginal role in the conflict given that:
1) The conflict has evolved well beyond the stage where the Sunni population is trying to restore the old balance and put Hussein back in charge.
2) Kurdistan is a success story and the Kurds stopped caring about him altogether.

The only significant impact Saddam Hussein could possibly have: is if the Americans were to somehow stop his death. Which is tricky. It would probably anger the Shia, but it might make the Sunni realise the Americans are not their biggest problem. An American interference might, in a very hopeful scenario, create new possibilities of finding a solution to the conflict.

A conflict which in essence has moved well beyond a stage where it matters a great deal if Saddam lives or dies.
You really underestimate the possible impact of Sunnis on the future of Iraq...

About Kurds, even during Saddam's era, they had somehow a reasonable autonomy that paved the way for them to make their own community...

Finally, could I know the reason of American occupation to Iraq according to your own viewpoint?? I understood from your previous post that you think they spread democracy!!

And please tell me one logical justification for finding more than 70 anonymous bodies in Baghdad city on a daily basis... Was it really worth it to kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis??
 

mikhail

Senior Member
Jan 24, 2003
9,576
#27
ReBeL said:
Finally, could I know the reason of American occupation to Iraq according to your own viewpoint?? I understood from your previous post that you think they spread democracy!!
I think you'll find that he actually said that they introduced "democracy", not democracy,

ReBeL said:
And please tell me one logical justification for finding more than 70 anonymous bodies in Baghdad city on a daily basis... Was it really worth it to kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis??
Seriously, that's some strawman there.
 

Sadomin

Senior Member
Apr 5, 2005
7,327
#32
ReBeL said:
I'm so sorry for your loss...

He is not my hero, but you can't blame him for losing your close relatives...

You know that it was a war between two parties, and it wasn't Iraq only that killed the other party...
He started the war and he was the murderer of huge amounts of civilians. I do not have anything against Iraq, but I do against Saddam. Seeing the likes of you diminish these "deeds" of his makes me sick, though I can't say I expected anything else.
 

sateeh

Day Walker
Jul 28, 2003
8,020
#33
ReBeL said:
I'm so sorry for your loss...

He is not my hero, but you can't blame him for losing your close relatives...

You know that it was a war between two parties, and it wasn't Iraq only that killed the other party...
this is where i disagree with you mate....Everything that this person did was wrong and had tremendous consequences to everyone.
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
Moderator
Dec 16, 2003
72,692
#34
ReBeL said:
He'll be remembered in the history as the man who refused to accept to be the West's toy in the region...

He had his mistakes, but they were not material at all...
yea riiiiiiiight:rolleyes:

What a man to remmber.
 

Slagathor

Bedpan racing champion
Jul 25, 2001
22,708
#35
ReBeL said:
You really underestimate the possible impact of Sunnis on the future of Iraq...
No I don't. But the Sunni don't need Saddam anymore. He has become irrelevant.

About Kurds, even during Saddam's era, they had somehow a reasonable autonomy that paved the way for them to make their own community...
Yes, but that's besides the point now.

Finally, could I know the reason of American occupation to Iraq according to your own viewpoint??
That's a different discussion.

I understood from your previous post that you think they spread democracy!!
No I do not.

And please tell me one logical justification for finding more than 70 anonymous bodies in Baghdad city on a daily basis... Was it really worth it to kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis??
Besides the point.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
68,909
#37
juventus710 said:
why would anyone want to hang a retard?:eyebrows:

its a bush thing, a man who enforces capital punishment for all the wrong reasons

jees south park is becomming so true, i thought it was f*cked up, but then thats only a reflect in the kind of world we live in
 
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  • Thread Starter #38
    Azzurri7 said:
    Saddam should be tortured, they shouldn't kill him soo fast.
    What would that achieve?

    Hint: don't say "justice"
     

    JCK

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    JCK
    May 11, 2004
    125,381
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    ReBeL said:
    He'll be remembered in the history as the man who refused to accept to be the West's toy in the region...

    He had his mistakes, but they were not material at all...
    The Kurds and the Iraqis who were against him disagree with you.
     
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