Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (57 Viewers)
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Well saying that doesn’t make you a Russian asset imo. It’s not a popular opinion but the question also is how do we reach peace and how far is everyone willing to go. Is Ukraine in NATO worth 5m casualties, for example, or what are the odds for a military victory for Ukraine?
As for the Koreans, it’s probably a cheap exchange between Putin and Kim Jong Un, they deliver bodies in exchange for technology, education and experience. Don’t underestimate the last part as it is vital in war of course.
As for the Koreans, it’s probably a cheap exchange between Putin and Kim Jong Un, they deliver bodies in exchange for technology, education and experience. Don’t underestimate the last part as it is vital in war of course.
- musk bought twitter using russian funds. musk gets a chair at trump's table in case trump gets elected
- russia has already intervened in the 2016 and 2020 elections with fabricated (literal fake) news supporting trump, and they did it in 2024 too
- trump has very well documented ties to russians (other than his general hardon for dictators)
- russia has been financing pro trump journalism for years
yes, trump and vance are russian assets. echoing every point of russian propaganda about how the war should end, and wowing to end the war by stopping the financing of ukraine by us funds in case trump/vance get elected make them literal russian assets
read this too: Donald Trump's disclosures of classified information - Wikipedia either he's an idiot or he gets paid to share classified information with russia. or both
and vance is his pick for vp. do you think he could be in this position if he was anti russia?
- russia has already intervened in the 2016 and 2020 elections with fabricated (literal fake) news supporting trump, and they did it in 2024 too
- trump has very well documented ties to russians (other than his general hardon for dictators)
- russia has been financing pro trump journalism for years
yes, trump and vance are russian assets. echoing every point of russian propaganda about how the war should end, and wowing to end the war by stopping the financing of ukraine by us funds in case trump/vance get elected make them literal russian assets
read this too: Donald Trump's disclosures of classified information - Wikipedia either he's an idiot or he gets paid to share classified information with russia. or both
and vance is his pick for vp. do you think he could be in this position if he was anti russia?
I think Musk sold Tesla stock to finance X. As for Trump and his connections with Russia, there’s verified information available of Biden receiving money from Russia and China. https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/ Generally speaking I think it’s false to frame one party as flawless and the other as Russian asserts. Was Merkel a Russian asset for making them rich due to the import of gas? What about Rutte for financing parts of Nord Stream, etc.
All of it doesn’t matter though. We can frame everyone but a black and white discussion of how a eventual peace treaty will look is relevant, unless the idea is to have this war for many more years, but at what cost.
What happens now if you rationalise that everything party Y says is in Russian interests, is that we lose what the core of the discussion is which is a eventual peace treaty. That’s the video you posted about anyway
All of it doesn’t matter though. We can frame everyone but a black and white discussion of how a eventual peace treaty will look is relevant, unless the idea is to have this war for many more years, but at what cost.
What happens now if you rationalise that everything party Y says is in Russian interests, is that we lose what the core of the discussion is which is a eventual peace treaty. That’s the video you posted about anyway
it wasn't only him, multiple investors - including some russian oligarchs - helped him
so let's normalize russian influence? the democrats should have presented a better candidate than biden. this doesn't change the fact that trump can basically thank his presidency to putin and his campaigns were always helped by the russians
problem is that you guys always find an excuse for this motherfucker. he's a convicted criminal awaiting sentencing ffs
anyway, this contains an english summary of what was russia's offer for peace (lol) a few months into their invasion:
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-4-2024
ridiculous. of course ukraine didn't accept
so let's normalize russian influence? the democrats should have presented a better candidate than biden. this doesn't change the fact that trump can basically thank his presidency to putin and his campaigns were always helped by the russians
problem is that you guys always find an excuse for this motherfucker. he's a convicted criminal awaiting sentencing ffs
anyway, this contains an english summary of what was russia's offer for peace (lol) a few months into their invasion:
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-4-2024
ridiculous. of course ukraine didn't accept
I can counter your argument easily saying that Biden is in power due to corruption conducted by CIA contractors, which due to the suppression of information might’ve led him to win the previous elections, because it’s a fair statement to think that many people would’ve voted different:
All of it is quite easy findable on the US government website, massively underreported in the media while the opposite counts for Trump.
Fact of the matter I don’t think nor Biden nor Trump are Russian assets, even if we factually know Biden received money from Russia and China while Trump has had contact with the Russians. If we analyse everything the Biden family has had contacts with the Russians aswel. The sooner we accept that both sides are crooked the easier it becomes, if you have to live your life trough BBC headlines you’ll get wired wrongly and miss the mistakes Biden’s administration did.
But as I said two times already, pointing fingers to both parties isn’t relevant. I’m not attached to any of them, but a peace deal is directly in the interests of us Europeans so I find it more interesting to talk about that, sadly you haven’t responded to any of it yet.
All of it is quite easy findable on the US government website, massively underreported in the media while the opposite counts for Trump.
Fact of the matter I don’t think nor Biden nor Trump are Russian assets, even if we factually know Biden received money from Russia and China while Trump has had contact with the Russians. If we analyse everything the Biden family has had contacts with the Russians aswel. The sooner we accept that both sides are crooked the easier it becomes, if you have to live your life trough BBC headlines you’ll get wired wrongly and miss the mistakes Biden’s administration did.
But as I said two times already, pointing fingers to both parties isn’t relevant. I’m not attached to any of them, but a peace deal is directly in the interests of us Europeans so I find it more interesting to talk about that, sadly you haven’t responded to any of it yet.
you're simply questioning the results of a democratic election then. the hunter biden laptop story was covered widely by the media and spammed by fox and alt right sources ad nauseam. and the discussion on the elections' legitimacy should end here because every single claim that trump & co filed were dismissed and only some maga lunatics were found guilty of election fraud
again, you're giving criminals a pass
oh i see
what did i miss?
if you were in the states, trump would appreciate your affection and deport you for it
again, you're giving criminals a pass
oh i see
what did i miss?
if you were in the states, trump would appreciate your affection and deport you for it
It does of course, although peace is fundamentally better than war
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Where are your arguments?
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The Intelligence Community talks about misleading of voters, but as said it doesn’t really matter now.
To return to the core of the discussion, which side is more likely to get a peace deal and what would be a acceptable result?
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Where are your arguments?
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The Intelligence Community talks about misleading of voters, but as said it doesn’t really matter now.
To return to the core of the discussion, which side is more likely to get a peace deal and what would be a acceptable result?