Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (111 Viewers)

[kappa96]

https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/all-news/article-715169


Good luck Ukraine...

Luckily it's going to be launched from all those airplanes they don't have.
But great propaganda news nonetheless.

Just like the "Great" russian army now we have the "Great" russian missle.
The whole globe should be afraid, even the aliens.

BTW that shoigu idiot recently declared that his russian orcs destroyed 28 or 29 Himars launchers from only 20 systems sent so far in Ukraine.
By this time next month he would have destroyed 50, yet his ammunition and logistic bases still blow up regularly all across the donbas and luhansk region.

 

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[Hust]

Luckily it's going to be launched from all those airplanes they don't have.
But great propaganda news nonetheless.

Just like the "Great" russian army now we have the "Great" russian missle.
The whole globe should be afraid, even the aliens.

BTW that shoigu idiot recently declared that his russian orcs destroyed 28 or 29 Himars launchers from only 20 systems sent so far in Ukraine.
By this time next month he would have destroyed 50, yet his ammunition and logistic bases still blow up regularly all across the donbas and luhansk region.

Except that they do have working HS missiles

 

[Cerval]

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[swag]

Wouldn't be as bad of a drug epidemic if we had better control of the border

OK, you're a true believer of supply-side economics.

Has 4+ decades of the War on Drugs taught you nothing? Demand isn't created entirely by supply. Market economics always finds a way. Especially at the rate of Americans dying of diseases of despair these days.

Only ones weaponizing illegal immigration is the left for advocating for it. TX et al down south are simply reacting to it. Put up or shut up for the liberal northern elites and I LOVE that the southern starts are starting to make the north pay for it. Surely you can't be all sour over a few buses dropped off in the north when its literally a fraction of what crosses the border illegally daily? You can't compare Irish in the mid-1800's to what we are seeing at the border now. I'm sorry Swag but that is probably one of the worst argument's I've seen. Irish weren't bringing in MS13, among other gang related problems or extremely lethal drugs and the crime/death that results in that.

You're suggesting that the Democratic midterm and presidential strategy is to piss off the South as some kind of Civil War throwback.

Think this through, buddy. It's not as simple as you're making it out to be here. Including that it helps to look at historical border statistics, Covid aside, and see who stands to benefit from creating theater that there is some North vs South civil war.

Mind you, TX isn't responsible for the homelessness in NYC, but the federal government in DC is absolutely responsible for the border crisis so it's more than a reasonable solution for TX. "Here, these came here but they are your problem now". Love it.

So are you advocating statehood for DC now? Because last I checked, DC has zero representation in the US federal government.

You do realize that Russia is shelling Ukraine cities from the nuclear power plant?
There is a videos showing Russians stashing war logistics in the power plant.
What do you expect the Ukrainians to do to, least shelling the nuclear facilities to make this disgusting orcs to stop?

Yep. That's a tactic. Not unlike how churches and the Mariupol Theater were used as sympathy arbitrage for launching counter-attacks.

I don't expect the Ukrainians to act any different. What I'm saying is Zelenskyy's Chicken Little bit about every nuclear power plant rings hollow when he's using it as a threat to engage world powers deeper into their war when Russia stands to suffer far more nuclear blowback than any of Ukraine's allies.

 

[kappa96]

So you're a true believer of supply-side economics. Has 4+ decades of the War on Drugs taught you nothing?



So now you're suggesting that the Democratic midterm and presidential strategy is to piss off the South? Think this through, buddy. It's not as simple as you're making it out to be.




So are you advocating statehood for DC now? Because last I checked, DC has zero representation in the US federal government.



Yep. That's a tactic. Not unlike how churches and the Mariupol Theater were used as sympathy arbitrage for launching counter-attacks.

I don't expect the Ukrainians to act any different. What I'm saying is Zelenskyy's Chicken Little bit about every nuclear power plant rings hollow when he's using it as a threat to engage world powers deeper into their war when Russia stands to suffer far more nuclear blowback than any of Ukraine's allies.

So you are equating Ukraine's defensive tactics against its AGRESSOR to the tactics used by the AGRESSOR (when the AGRESSOR could easily fuck off to where it came from).
Strange way of putting the = sign.

 

[Hust]

So you're a true believer of supply-side economics. Has 4+ decades of the War on Drugs taught you nothing?

So now you're suggesting that the Democratic midterm and presidential strategy is to piss off the South? Think this through, buddy. It's not as simple as you're making it out to be.

So are you advocating statehood for DC now? Because last I checked, DC has zero representation in the US federal government.

No, I think the entire Democratic strategy is get as many voters in as they can and try to flip the southern states pissing them off or not is irrelevant. It really is as simple as that. The decision is to either secure the border or not. It's that fucking simple. They chose NOT to, so, the aftermath that happens as a result (i.e. buses of illegals dumped on their doorstep) is what they get. Real cool to let some states deal with the mess at the border but as soon as its brought north its "cute" or "weaponizing illegals". DC being home of the federal government you'd think the leadershiop would do something - but DC sure as hell does vote with the left so their little inconvenient problem is hitting hard at home now, isn't it?

Maybe if liberal cities LIKE DC & NYC weren't in such bad shape from their policies already, they wouldn't mind having a couple bus loads of shiny new voters dropped off on their doorstep but OH NO when their pocket books are hit buy a couple hundred (lol) illegals its "cute".

 

[swag]

No, I think the entire Democratic strategy is get as many voters in as they can and try to flip the southern states pissing them off or not is irrelevant. It really is as simple as that. The decision is to either secure the border or not. It's that fucking simple. They chose NOT to, so, the aftermath that happens as a result (i.e. buses of illegals dumped on their doorstep) is what they get. Real cool to let some states deal with the mess at the border but as soon as its brought north its "cute" or "weaponizing illegals". DC being home of the federal government you'd think the leadershiop would do something - but DC sure as hell does vote with the left so their little inconvenient problem is hitting hard at home now, isn't it?

Maybe if liberal cities LIKE DC & NYC weren't in such bad shape from their policies already, they wouldn't mind having a couple bus loads of shiny new voters dropped off on their doorstep but OH NO when their pocket books are hit buy a couple hundred (lol) illegals its "cute".

Then to your argument, DC and NYC should be encouraging Texas to bus more migrants up north to create new voters.

I'm not following this logic at all. Not to mention the state with the most illegal immigrant crossings is California. Not to mention that "choosing NOT to" doesn't line up with the record number of border arrests. From the WSJ just 6 days ago:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/illega...ons-for-border-crossings-changing-11660599304

 

[Hust]

Then to your argument, DC and NYC should be encouraging Texas to bus more migrants up north to create new voters.

I'm not following this logic at all. Not to mention the state with the most illegal immigrant crossings is California. Not to mention that "choosing NOT to" doesn't line up with the record number of border arrests. From the WSJ just 6 days ago:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/illega...ons-for-border-crossings-changing-11660599304

So are you suggesting border crossings are down and resulting in more arrests or are you suggesting the actual reality that border crossings are up hence so are arrests?

1,820,000 arrests AND those are the ones that got caught

AND that's JUST in this fiscal year? Get out of town lol - no wonder why southern states are sending them north. Biden & Co. are doing everything to avoid answering for that mess and I don't blame them because it's their fault. And no, my logic is that the left loves the idea they get these easy votes from illegals but only as long as someone else foots the bill, that's exactly what I'm saying. NCY/DC are so far left it doesn't do them any good to have more illegals dumped there - but they are absolutely 100% fine with it being someone elses (likely a redstate) problem. Go figure.

 

[swag]

I can't understand how you equate "sitting on your hands and doing nothing" with a record number of arrests.

Which only makes me see Greg Abbott's genius here. He's convinced his base through theatricals that feds are doing nothing. So his performative busing riles them up and grows their loyalty to the cause. It's clever, even if I feel you are being played a bit here.

Politics is all about the trolling now, regardless of what's happening on the ground.

 

[Kopanja]

Look, I may support the Ukranian cause wholeheartedly against Russia. But anything involving nuclear power plants has been nothing but an excuse for Zelenskyy to invoke Hispanic Panic and try to incite other nations to enter the military actions of the war by threatening spillover from nuclear fallout.

It's disingenuous, because Russia would be on the front' lines for any such fallout. And it's the cringiest thing Zelenskyy keeps trying these days. I've tuned it out as war baiting.

Huh? I might be wrong, but I never said anything about ZNPP except that Russians put a lot of weaponry there and shell around from time to time.

 

[swag]

Huh? I might be wrong, but I never said anything about ZNPP except that Russians put a lot of weaponry there and shell around from time to time.

I think you took my post personally. I'm just stating my perspective in general. As much as I support Zelenskyy against Russia, I also know he has a tough job on his hands. And one of the first victims of war is the truth.

So if I had my neighbor with a bigger army invading me, sure, I can't blame him for pointing fingers at nuclear plants and gesturing, "See! He's going to kill your people too. Send your troops!" But to believe that would be to believe Russia is somehow immune from the nuclear blowback on their own borders.

The sanctions might not be doing what many had originally hoped by now. But irradiating his own people with nuclear fallout from his military aggressions would further erode domestic support and increase the risk of Barbarians storming his gates. Military desertion in Russia is bad enough already.

 

[Strickland]

I think you took my post personally. I'm just stating my perspective in general. As much as I support Zelenskyy against Russia, I also know he has a tough job on his hands. And one of the first victims of war is the truth.

So if I had my neighbor with a bigger army invading me, sure, I can't blame him for pointing fingers at nuclear plants and gesturing, "See! He's going to kill your people too. Send your troops!" But to believe that would be to believe Russia is somehow immune from the nuclear blowback on their own borders.

The sanctions might not be doing what many had originally hoped by now. But irradiating his own people with nuclear fallout from his military aggressions would further erode domestic support and increase the risk of Barbarians storming his gates. Military desertion in Russia is bad enough already.

I really wouldn't exclude the possibility of Russians causing a nuclear catastrophe either by accident or knowingly and then blaming it all on Ukrainians.

IMO the Kremlin doesn't care much about nuclear blowback and cost of human lives, including Russian lives, if it helps them further their cause. And their ability to feed any truth to their population is very effective, the tiny protests of the Russian people against the war lasted for a couple of weeks into early March and then any kind of public resistance in Russia was dead.

 

[swag]

I really wouldn't exclude the possibility of Russians causing a nuclear catastrophe either by accident or knowingly and then blaming it all on Ukrainians.

IMO the Kremlin doesn't care much about nuclear blowback and cost of human lives, including Russian lives, if it helps them further their cause. And their ability to feed any "truth" to their population is very effective, it's even working on Russians living in the West, who have wide access to all kinds of sources and live far from the usual reach of FSB, let alone the local population.

There are dark arts for sure. And the misinformation campaign is strong in Russia of course.

Perhaps that would be a way to escalate things because Russia is seeking an earlier exit or concessions on the war. But that certainly didn't happen with Georgia or Syria.

I'm sure Putin sees dead Russians as the cost of doing business. But if it weakens the resolve of his own troops and encourages more domestic headaches, I don't see what he really gains by that vs what he risks.

Putin clearly gambled badly and lost in invading Ukraine in the first place with his yes-men underlings and terrible intel. But that was a calculated risk with potential upside, even if totally flubbed. The upside of dusting the war front with radiation as winter approaches doesn't seem like a good chess move for Putin.

 

[Kopanja]

I think you took my post personally. I'm just stating my perspective in general. As much as I support Zelenskyy against Russia, I also know he has a tough job on his hands. And one of the first victims of war is the truth.

So if I had my neighbor with a bigger army invading me, sure, I can't blame him for pointing fingers at nuclear plants and gesturing, "See! He's going to kill your people too. Send your troops!" But to believe that would be to believe Russia is somehow immune from the nuclear blowback on their own borders.

The sanctions might not be doing what many had originally hoped by now. But irradiating his own people with nuclear fallout from his military aggressions would further erode domestic support and increase the risk of Barbarians storming his gates. Military desertion in Russia is bad enough already.

Ah, gotcha. You know I would prefer to keep fighting out NPPs. Yeah, they are supposed to be sturdy and all, but I have no desire to check it that way.

 

[Strickland]

There are dark arts for sure. And the misinformation campaign is strong in Russia of course.

Perhaps that would be a way to escalate things because Russia is seeking an earlier exit or concessions on the war. But that certainly didn't happen with Georgia or Syria.

I'm sure Putin sees dead Russians as the cost of doing business. But if it weakens the resolve of his own troops and encourages more domestic headaches, I don't see what he really gains by that vs what he risks.

Off the top of my head the stories Putin has sold to the population so far:
a) Ukrainians massacred themselves in Bucha and elsewhere, mass graves full of dead bodies for PR purposes;
b) For 8 years Ukrainian Nazi Army were bombing independent Donbass and killing children;
c) This is a military op and Russians are only targeting military objects, this isn't a war.

This would be just another lie in a long list of lies, some of them seem incredibly hard to sell, but Putin is selling them using misinformation and fear. IMO the only question here is whether Kremlin has something significant to gain by risking to blow up or blowing up a nuclear reactor, if the answer to that is yes, I wouldn't put it past them.

 

[kappa96]

Hey he managed to reabilitate Stalin the moster who killed tens of millions of of his own people .
There is nothing that they wouldn't believe at this point.

 

[Elvin]

Hey he managed to reabilitate Stalin the moster who killed tens of millions of of his own people .
There is nothing that they wouldn't believe at this point.

Russia is one big human experiment gone badly.

 

[U Picciriddu]

@Kopanja sitrep please

 

[Kopanja]

@Kopanja sitrep please

A lot of movement in the South. I am not there, here on East. There is some good news already, but we are ordered to keep quiet, especially on TuZ.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Ukraine is kicking Russia’s ass at this point