Aren't they overwhelmed fighting just the ukranians? Why the hell would they provoke NATO?
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Agreed. The longer this fight goes on the worse it is for the Russians. The Ukrainians needs to hold out and make this a long fight, if they manage that the Russians will lose steam eventually and probably realise they can't afford a war like that.
The Russians never been afraid to lose huge amounts of casualties in men and equipment. But that was when they fought for their own survival like in WW2, anything else than them winning would've meant the end. Now they're the aggressor and invader, so morale will probably drop big time if it goes on like now and the total opposite for the Ukranians.
In short they just need to turn it into a new Afghanistan for the Russians.
The Russians never been afraid to lose huge amounts of casualties in men and equipment. But that was when they fought for their own survival like in WW2, anything else than them winning would've meant the end. Now they're the aggressor and invader, so morale will probably drop big time if it goes on like now and the total opposite for the Ukranians.
In short they just need to turn it into a new Afghanistan for the Russians.
Would've been the end for the Russians as a nation. Hitler wanted to kill like 90% of the population, enslave the rest and use the Western half of Russia for lebensraum.
So the Russians had no other choice, than to fight to the end. Hence they also lost 26 mio people in the war, by far the largest of any nation.
Crazy thing is Hitler could actually have succeeded in this if he had treated the Ukrainians better at the start of Operation Barbarossa, most of them hated Stalin and his communist regime and were seeing the Germans as liberators to begin with. But as he (Hitler) saw them as subhumans he of course didn't even consider this option. So he turned a potential ally into enemies and partisans he had to fight while waging war in the East.
Thats what you get when you fight a war of extermination.
So the Russians had no other choice, than to fight to the end. Hence they also lost 26 mio people in the war, by far the largest of any nation.
Crazy thing is Hitler could actually have succeeded in this if he had treated the Ukrainians better at the start of Operation Barbarossa, most of them hated Stalin and his communist regime and were seeing the Germans as liberators to begin with. But as he (Hitler) saw them as subhumans he of course didn't even consider this option. So he turned a potential ally into enemies and partisans he had to fight while waging war in the East.
Thats what you get when you fight a war of extermination.
I understand the sentiment. But the afghan and Vietnamese had nothing to lose and nowhere to go. Truth of the matter is that Ukrainians have prospects, countries that will accept them with open arms, possibility to make a good living in the EU.
I love that they are fighting back but I don't believe the resistance there can last as long as it did in the place you guys mentioned. They are humans and if the Russians will escalate even further, hope can be lost very quickly in this situations.
I love that they are fighting back but I don't believe the resistance there can last as long as it did in the place you guys mentioned. They are humans and if the Russians will escalate even further, hope can be lost very quickly in this situations.
Very different situations. In Vietnam US couldn’t come up with a metric for measuring success because Vietnamese land was worthless. There was nothing in the villages worth holding on to, so sometimes they had to take a village or a hill multiple times before abandoning it.
Ukraine is a somewhat developed country and there are clear strategic points.
Ukraine is a somewhat developed country and there are clear strategic points.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...us-official-2022-03-07/?utm_source=reddit.com
You can't have a great army when your country is 100% corrupt to its core, it's not a suprise for me that they have so many problems in Ukraine
You can't have a great army when your country is 100% corrupt to its core, it's not a suprise for me that they have so many problems in Ukraine
What's the best case scenario for Ukraine if
1) Russia has a bigger/stronger army
2) NATO won't get involved
That automatically means Ukraine has to accept what Russia is asking them do. Postponing the war hoping for what exactly? Russia changing their mind and backing off? That surely ain't gonna happen.
1) Russia has a bigger/stronger army
2) NATO won't get involved
That automatically means Ukraine has to accept what Russia is asking them do. Postponing the war hoping for what exactly? Russia changing their mind and backing off? That surely ain't gonna happen.
You say I'm talking about a fairytale regarding total extermination, and yet your numbers are double that of 26 which has been the official numbers of Russian casualties since forever, can't you see how retarded that is? You're literally contradicting yourself.
The German war aim in the East is well known, to say like you do is simply because of ignorance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarossa_decree
The German war aim in the East is well known, to say like you do is simply because of ignorance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarossa_decree
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