Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (55 Viewers)

Dostoevsky

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In January 2001, news media in many parts of the world carried reports that postulated links between NATO's use of Depleted Uranium ammunition in Kosovo and Bosnia with allegedly higher incidences of leukemia, other cancers, and other negative health effects said to be occuring among NATO troops who had served in those areas and among local civilian populations.
Although a very large body of existing scientific and medical research clearly established that such a link between Depleted Uranium ammunition and the reported illnesses was extremely unlikely, NATO Secretary General George Robertson immediately established an Ad Hoc Committee on Depleted Uranium to serve as a clearing house for information to be shared among interested nations.

To date, the scientific and medical research continues to disprove any link between Depleted Uranium and the reported negative health effects. Furthermore, the present evidence strongly suggests that NATO troops serving in the Balkans are not suffering negative health effects different from those suffered by their colleagues who have not served in the Balkans.

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Kosovo is not Serbia anyway, Serbians can only blame their beloved lunatic Milosevic and his comrades generals, but Instead they blame the whole world
Well of couse they won't say they did it. Did you expect them to? They had the interest there and they did it for their own sake to build the biggest nato base there, duh.

Lunatic or not the land was stolen and is currently occupied.
 

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Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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It's not about us, he lives in Azerbaijan,.they have all the same problems as we do, their own population doesn't do shit about it and he have a audacity to criticize Russians lol
No we fuckin dont bro. We dont have a crazy dictator who invades other countries and threatens nuclear war. In fact, no one else does!
 
Mar 9, 2006
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Well of couse they won't say they did it. Did you expect them to? They had the interest there and they did it for their own sake to build the biggest nato base there, duh.

Lunatic or not the land was stolen and is currently occupied.
If only your government didn't commit ethnic cleanings of Albanians of Kosovo
the international criminal tribunal for the former yugoslavia (icty) prosecuted crimes committed during the kosovo war. nine senior yugoslav officials, including milošević, were indicted for crimes against humanity and war crimes committed between january and june 1999. six of the defendants were convicted, one was acquitted, one died before his trial could commence, and one (milošević) died before his trial could conclude.

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No we fuckin dont bro. We dont have a crazy dictator who invades other countries and threatens nuclear war. In fact, no one else does!
You can't be sure, if Russian troops will leave Armenia and Karabakh, your big nose fürher might try to get more land from Armenians
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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If only your government didn't commit ethnic cleanings of Albanians of Kosovo
the international criminal tribunal for the former yugoslavia (icty) prosecuted crimes committed during the kosovo war. nine senior yugoslav officials, including milošević, were indicted for crimes against humanity and war crimes committed between january and june 1999. six of the defendants were convicted, one was acquitted, one died before his trial could commence, and one (milošević) died before his trial could conclude.

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You can't be sure, if Russian troops will leave Armenia and Karabakh, your big nose fürher might try to get more land from Armenians
Let's stick to what actually happened and is happening.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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That's the difference, Putin won't invade NATO countries because they will destroy Russian army to ashes, poor Ukrainians had nobody to save them, while Russian army is saving Armenia from the possibility of Aliyev's invasion
Ok keep saving, I dont have anything against countries defending themselves.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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You see? You or any other Azerbaijani can't guarantee that Aliyev won't go after Yerevan if Russian troops will leave Karabakh, he's no difference to Putin, they all same bloody autocrats
No one can guarantee shit in this world, we can only judge by what actually happens and not what could happen.
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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Did the US annex Kosovo? Is it the 51st state? Where is the precedent of that?
You know what I mean. Even if Russia won't annex Luhansk, do you think the West will recognize that republic if it proclaims independence?
And I know very well what was happening in Kosovo. I am not arguing it. I am just calling it a precedent which the others are now using for their own ambitions, or against others' claims.
For example, Spain does not recognize Kosovo, unlike all the other Western countries. Why? Because they know that if they recognize Kosovo, the people of Basque and Catalonia will have a new weapon in their struggle for independence. Ukraine does not recognize Kosovo for the same reasons. Even more, they refuse to do so and they rarely miss an opportunity to say how Ukraine supports the territorial integrity of Serbia. Why? Because they are aware of the Pandora box which was opened in Kosovo and how Russia might use it for Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk. The Russians are even more hilarious. They don't recognize Kosovo claiming to support the territorial integrity of an independent country (Serbia), yet they don't respect the territorial integrity of another country - Ukraine. They don't recognize Kosovo, yet they go with "You did it in Kosovo, so we'll do it in Crimea or Donetsk".
 
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Mar 9, 2006
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You know what I mean. Even if Russia won't annex Luhansk, do you think the West will recognize that republic if it proclaims independence?
And I know very well what was happening in Kosovo. I am not arguing it. I am just calling it a precedent which the others are now using for their own ambitions, or against others' claims.
For example, Spain does not recognize Kosovo, unlike all the other Western countries. Why? Because they know that if they recognize Kosovo, the people of Basque and Catalonia will have a new weapon in their struggle for independence. Ukraine does not recognize Kosovo for the same reasons. Even more, they refuse to do so and they rarely miss an opportunity to say how Ukraine supports the territorial integrity of Serbia. Why? Because they are aware of the Pandora box which was opened in Kosovo and how Russia might use it for Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk. The Russians are even more hilarious. They don't recognize Kosovo claiming to support the territorial integrity of an independent country (Serbia), yet they don't respect the territorial integrity of another country - Ukraine.
Only imbeciles are using Kosovo as en excuse for independence or for invasion, they didn't have ethnic cleansings in catalunya, Crimea, Donetsk or Lugansk, UN didn't have to send it's troops there, Kosovo didn't happen overnight. The collapse of Yugoslavia is entirely the fault of Milosevic and his cannibal generals, who believed that it was enough to bring in troops, arrange ethnic cleansing and everything would be fine
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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Only imbeciles are using Kosovo as en excuse for independence or for invasion, they didn't have ethnic cleansings in catalunya, Crimea, Donetsk or Lugansk, UN didn't have to send it's troops there, Kosovo didn't happen overnight.
You are right, of course. But this danger always existed that imbeciles will use the Kosovo precedent as an excuse. Somebody above asked why is Lavrov obsessed with Kosovo. He isn't really. He's just using this precedent, as expected.
 
Mar 9, 2006
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You are right, of course. But this danger always existed that imbeciles will use the Kosovo precedent as an excuse. Somebody above asked why is Lavrov obsessed with Kosovo. He isn't really. He's just using this precedent, as expected.
Yes, because he knows that Russian population is dumb as fuck and that in Russia nobody knows exactly what did happen in Kosovo and no one will go on the internet and will do the research about it
 

Strickland

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May 17, 2019
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I think each case is individual though. Luhansk, Crimea, Donetsk - thats not an ambition to be independent, the separatists operate in the interests of Russia. If they actually were left to fend for themselves, those could not be succesful, independent states.

Catalunya, Kosovo - afaik they truly want to be their own independent state without third party intetests. of course not pretending to be an expert here, but I support that.
 

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