Ruh Row, Korean Conflict Brewing (3 Viewers)

[Osman]

No offense but I think that world is much safer with a majority of nuclear weapons in the hand of western nations and I support doing everything possible to keep them out of the hands of any middle eastern country. I don't care if its fair or not but nuclear weapons and unstable political environments is a bad combination.

Its actually HILARIOUS you you typed this with a "straight face", I could use whatever lol smiley available but it wouldnt suit the cause of pointing out how insanely ridicolous that sounds. Its like hearing a Miss America contestant in the 60s proudly spew her rehearsed (anti commie then) propoganda and feel proud about herself.

 

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[X Æ A-12]

Its actually HILARIOUS you you typed this with a "straight face", I could use whatever lol smiley available but it wouldnt suit the cause of pointing out how insanely ridicolous that sounds. Its like hearing a Miss America contestant in the 60s proudly spew her rehearsed (anti commie then) propoganda and feel proud about herself.

Whatever, I really don't give a fuck to take more shit from you.

 

[Osman]

You sound like a frigging naive kid with the above, pure and simple.

In your little wisdom sharing, you touch on about safer, political instability, danger to the world and even nuclear weapons this and that (like it would actually be used as anything but a way to check the aggression of the other side), but its "Funny", you know I wonder what would've happened had the United States not hatched a plot to overthrow a certain elected Iranian prime minister in 1953 to replace him with a dictatorially-minded shah more friendly to western oil interests, causing antiamericanism and anti-western feeling to brood in the country for over 25 years before it finally culminated with the revolution of 1979...I wonder...

But you are right, this political instability happend on its own by these savage and barbaric middle easterners, and these schmucks are nothing but base animals that only want to blow up the world, themselves included.

I mean, its absolutely CRAZY to think they want what others (their enemies) have, with the ultimate weapon so to speak, as a means to STOP from the above history repeating itself and, shockingly enough, are thinking pragmatically as a means to defend themselves. Thats just too outrageous to even consider right? Its much simpler to not think and say the above instead.

 

[Bjerknes]

Unfortunately, Osman is right for the most part. Our foreign policy has totally backfired on us and now we will suffer the consequences through extreme dislike and real terror attacks. They don't hate our freedom, they hate our foreign policy, and anybody who believes otherwise is an imbecile.

But to trust a bunch of religious fundamentalists with weapons is a bit ridiculous as well. These people, no matter the religion, are absolutely insane individuals who wouldn't mind taking the world with them in their journey to the fictitious heaven in outer space.

 

[X Æ A-12]

You sound like a frigging naive kid with the above, pure and simple.

In your little wisdom sharing, you touch on about safer, political instability, danger to the world and even nuclear weapons this and that (like it would actually be used as anything but a way to check the aggression of the other side), but its "Funny", you know I wonder what would've happened had the United States not hatched a plot to overthrow a certain elected Iranian prime minister in 1953 to replace him with a dictatorially-minded shah more friendly to western oil interests, causing antiamericanism and anti-western feeling to brood in the country for over 25 years before it finally culminated with the revolution of 1979...I wonder...

I'm confuse by your point here. So we fucked up Iran and your saying we should just lie down idly by while they build nuclear weapons because of it? I'm not denying what you are saying is true but what does this have to do with whether they should have nuclear weapons or not? Unless this is just another chance to take a shot at the US in which case I'm not surprised.

But you are right, this political instability happend on its own by these savage and barbaric middle easterners, and these schmucks are nothing but base animals that only want to blow up the world, themselves included.

This bit doesn't deserve a response. I said nothing of the sort about Muslims being barbarians and if you read my posts in between your excitement at getting another chance to insult me you would notice that I said that nuclear weapons in general are a bad thing.

I mean, its absolutely CRAZY to think they want what others (their enemies) have, with the ultimate weapon so to speak, as a means to STOP from the above history repeating itself and, shockingly enough, are thinking pragmatically as a means to defend themselves. Thats just too outrageous to even consider right? Its much simpler to not think and say the above instead.

What enemies do they need nuclear weapons to defend against? The US is only a threat to them because they refuse to stop building said weapons.

What is so wrong with being against Iran having nuclear arms? And don't tell me they need them because Israel has them, that argument is retarded.

 

[Osman]

Andy: I wouldnt trust it with them at all, but I dont trust it with anyone (The Us keep developing low powered nuclear weapons all the time, for obvious use). But the danger Iran poses is ludicrously overstated by a well orchestrated and agenda driven machine, the same people who had vested interest in going into Iraq, its so obvious.

The fundementalists, but they arent stupid or crazy (if you really think so, then one takes the BSing tough talk that is an obvious diplomacy warfare in face value). Fact of the matter is, their nuclear capabilities if they got it, would be used as a deterrent like everyone else is using it, its basic pragmatism, ever heard of mutual destruction?.

Bottomline, the danger Iran poses are to IRANI'S (and them getting such game changing arsenal would SUCK for Irans people because these fuckers would permanently have their power in check), not to frigging Americans. On contrary, I like to know why one never hears about the CONSTANT danger the US had and still poses to Iran for over 60 years now.

 

[Osman]

What enemies do they need nuclear weapons to defend against? The US is only a threat to them because they refuse to stop building said weapons.

Honestly, I will be upfront with you, I was about to, but I wont bother reply to you because I really believe you actually mean the above. Its absolutely amazing you do, but there is zero reason to actually even bother if you really do. I mean, FFS, 60 years history is very short, it REALLY cant be forgotten that quickly.

 

[X Æ A-12]

I wouldnt trust it with them at all, but I dont trust it with anyone (The Us keep developing low powered nuclear weapons all the time, for obvious use). But the danger Iran poses is ludicrously overstated by a well orchestrated and agenda driven machine, the same people who had vested interest in going into Iraq, its so obvious.

The fundementalists, but they arent stupid or crazy (if you really think so, then one takes the BSing tough talk that is an obvious diplomacy warfare in face value). Fact of the matter is, their nuclear capabilities if they got it, would be used as a deterrent like everyone else is using it, its basic pragmatism, ever heard of mutual destruction?.

Bottomline, the danger Iran poses are to IRANI'S, not to frigging Americans. On contrary, I like to know why one never hears about the CONSTANT danger the US had and still poses to Iran for over 60 years now.

I don't think Iran posses any threat to the US . Even if they build weapons I doubt they have any motivation to get on our bad side but another government having nuclear weapons is not a good thing.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Honestly, I will be upfront with you, I was about to, but I wont bother reply to you because I really believe you actually mean the above. Its absolutely amazing you do, but there is zero reason to actually even bother if you really do. I mean, FFS, 60 years history is very short, it REALLY cant be forgotten that quickly.

Who needs an Iran when you've already got an Iraq? You think the United States would really invade a nuclear arms-less Iran for Oil after what happened in Iraq?

 

[Bjerknes]

Andy: I wouldnt trust it with them at all, but I dont trust it with anyone (The Us keep developing low powered nuclear weapons all the time, for obvious use). But the danger Iran poses is ludicrously overstated by a well orchestrated and agenda driven machine, the same people who had vested interest in going into Iraq, its so obvious.

The fundementalists, but they arent stupid or crazy (if you really think so, then one takes the BSing tough talk that is an obvious diplomacy warfare in face value). Fact of the matter is, their nuclear capabilities if they got it, would be used as a deterrent like everyone else is using it, its basic pragmatism, ever heard of mutual destruction?.

Bottomline, the danger Iran poses are to IRANI'S (and them getting such game changing arsenal would SUCK for Irans people because these fuckers would permanently have their power in check), not to frigging Americans. On contrary, I like to know why one never hears about the CONSTANT danger the US had and still poses to Iran for over 60 years now.

I know it is all overstated propaganda-for-profit, which is partly why I have rejected the notion of invading Iran for years now. It seems like the American people still cannot learn from their mistakes and still trust this criminal government. Sigh.

I'm not entirely sure of the mental stability of Iran's leaders, so I won't comment on that. All I do know is that there are religious fundamentalists in this world that have little regard for anything besides what they perceive as their mission to "God". If that means blowing up the world, then they will do it. All of those End Times prophecies really start to grow on people.

But even if Iran does obtain a nuclear weapon, and taking into account the slim chance they would actually use it in an attack, most likely it would be used against Israel. And if so then too bad for Israel, it's not my problem, nor should it be the problem of patriotic Americans. So to me, there is no way in hell we should support an attack against Iran. In fact, we should reject it outright and pull our Jundallah-funding-intel network out of the country once and for all.

 

[X Æ A-12]

But even if Iran does obtain a nuclear weapon, and taking into account the slim chance they would actually use it in an attack, most likely it would be used against Israel. And if so then too bad for Israel, it's not my problem, nor should it be the problem of patriotic Americans.

But it will be a problem, you know that our government is not going to share your opinion and sit idly by while our best-est buddies get attacked by the jihad. If Iran successfully builds a weapon I'm worried our government is going drag us into this mess to bail out the Jews, possibly even as a preemptive deal.

Iran building nuclear weapons just isn't going to be good for us.

 

[Bjerknes]

Who needs an Iran when you've already got an Iraq? You think the United States would really invade a nuclear arms-less Iran for Oil after what happened in Iraq?

Since about 50% of the sheeptards in this country think Iran already has nuclear weapons, yes, I do believe this criminal government ran by banking Jihadis and military industrial complex terrorists would try it again. Especially right now when the world economy is spiraling out of control and only a major war could possibly save it from peril. Lets not forget that WWII was really a blessing in disguise for our blossoming producer nation. It's just a shame that we produce jack squat now, as then a war could actually help us instead of sending our currency and bonds down the toilet.

 

[Bjerknes]

But it will be a problem, you know that our government is not going to share your opinion and sit idly by while our best-est buddies get attacked by the jihad. If Iran successfully builds a weapon I'm worried our government is going drag us into this mess to bail out the Jews, possibly even as a preemptive deal.

Iran building nuclear weapons just isn't going to be good for us.

I fully expect Iran to be attacked sooner or later, with our backing, because if Israel attacks without our backing it will look like we have lost even more of our own influence. And when crude oil prices get ramped up to painful levels for the US consumer and joint terror attacks by Hezbollah and Iranian factions plague the West, we will only have ourselves to blame.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Since about 50% of the sheeptards in this country think Iran already has nuclear weapons, yes, I do believe this criminal government ran by banking Jihadis and military industrial complex terrorists would try it again. Especially right now when the world economy is spiraling out of control and only a major war could possibly save it from peril. Lets not forget that WWII was really a blessing in disguise for our blossoming producer nation. It's just a shame that we produce jack squat now, as then a war could actually help us instead of sending our currency and bonds down the toilet.

I know about WWII but I don't understand how a war right now would benefit our or the world's economy? It seems like the only ones who stand to make money from this are the same bastards that are selling 700$ Humvee screws to our Military, oh and the politicians who use public money to sign the contracts with them while padding their own bank accounts.

 

[Bjerknes]

I know about WWII but I don't understand how a war right now would benefit our or the world's economy? It seems like the only ones who stand to make money from this are the same bastards that are selling 700$ Humvee screws to our Military, oh and the politicians who use public money to sign the contracts with them while padding their own bank accounts.

It wouldn't help our economy right now at all. Back then, we had a current account surplus (we were a creditor nation, not a debtor nation) and produced tons of goods. Now we produce essentially nothing except for debt and have an astronomical amount of national and consumer debt that will never be repaid. Going to war right now would further increase that deficit, adding fuel to the fire of our financial insecurity. Our resources are stretched thin and we're close to bankruptcy. Roman Empire anybody?

But the financial terrorists on Wall Street and the Military Industrial Jihadis don't care about the well-being of our nation... they're only in it for themselves, proven by the fraud seen daily on the street.

 

[Fred]

So you are saying if Israel held "death to Jordan" rallies every year, denied Jordan had a right to exist, and wanted to wipe them off the face of the planet you would be totally cool with Israel developing nuclear weapons?

Replace Jordan with Palestine, and thats exactly what Israel is doing right now. Israel denies Palestinians right to exist and they want to systematically wipe them off the face of the earth.

All Iran ever said was that if Israel were to attack them, they would attack back. Plus, the Israeli's are already using banned weapons in Palestine. So actually the danger of Israel having nuclear weapons is ten fold more than the danger of Iran having them. Yet i don't see you calling for Israel to drop their nuclear programs, which just reinforces the notion that you are just a completely biased person in this issue.

We aren't looking to start a nuclear war with Israel or any other nation for that matter. But if you think the world would be safer if the US just handed all of its nukes over to Iran and North Korea than that is your opinion. And to clarify I'm not defending Israel, they shouldn't have nukes either.

All I am saying is that as an American citizen I feel much safer knowing that the US has nukes while North Korea and Iran do not. The United States is not going to nuke (unless absolutely necessary) anybody after what happened in WWII, Iran actually might use it.

Iran having nuclear weapons is not good for anyone, we all agree on that. But the same can be said about Israel and the same can be said about the US.

Whatever you say and whatever you think of the Irani government, they are not developing nuclear weapons to use them. They are developing them for the same reason all countries with nuclear weapons developed their own, as a deterrent to others.

As for the last paragraph, well the US is the only country to have ever used nuclear force in warfare, so what your saying over there is absolute bullshit. You've used it before, so I as a citizen of a third world country do not feel safe knowing that an imperialist state that has invaded two countries over the past few years and who has already used nuclear force before, has nuclear weapons.

I think history and common sense tells me that my fears are much more understandable than yours, don't you think??

Unfortunately, Osman is right for the most part. Our foreign policy has totally backfired on us and now we will suffer the consequences through extreme dislike and real terror attacks. They don't hate our freedom, they hate our foreign policy, and anybody who believes otherwise is an imbecile.

But to trust a bunch of religious fundamentalists with weapons is a bit ridiculous as well. These people, no matter the religion, are absolutely insane individuals who wouldn't mind taking the world with them in their journey to the fictitious heaven in outer space.

The Irani government for all their faults are much smarter than you give them credit for. I strongly doubt that they would ever use nuclear weapons, and i strongly doubt they are ready to die or sacrifice for any cause, they like any all other influential politicians are in it for the power and money.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Andy: I wouldnt trust it with them at all, but I dont trust it with anyone (The Us keep developing low powered nuclear weapons all the time, for obvious use). But the danger Iran poses is ludicrously overstated by a well orchestrated and agenda driven machine, the same people who had vested interest in going into Iraq, its so obvious.

The fundementalists, but they arent stupid or crazy (if you really think so, then one takes the BSing tough talk that is an obvious diplomacy warfare in face value). Fact of the matter is, their nuclear capabilities if they got it, would be used as a deterrent like everyone else is using it, its basic pragmatism, ever heard of mutual destruction?.

Bottomline, the danger Iran poses are to IRANI'S (and them getting such game changing arsenal would SUCK for Irans people because these fuckers would permanently have their power in check), not to frigging Americans. On contrary, I like to know why one never hears about the CONSTANT danger the US had and still poses to Iran for over 60 years now.

Yea, that's us, we just want to nuke everyone.

What is this, 1953?

 

[Fred]

Nobodys going to nuke anyone, but if we are talking about possibilities here, there is a bigger possibility that the US will nuke someone than Iran doing it.

Only difference between the US and Iran is a good PR office.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Replace Jordan with Palestine, and thats exactly what Israel is doing right now. Israel denies Palestinians right to exist and they want to systematically wipe them off the face of the earth.

All Iran ever said was that if Israel were to attack them, they would attack back. Plus, the Israeli's are already using banned weapons in Palestine. So actually the danger of Israel having nuclear weapons is ten fold more than the danger of Iran having them. Yet i don't see you calling for Israel to drop their nuclear programs, which just reinforces the notion that you are just a completely biased person in this issue.




Iran having nuclear weapons is not good for anyone, we all agree on that. But the same can be said about Israel and the same can be said about the US.

Whatever you say and whatever you think of the Irani government, they are not developing nuclear weapons to use them. They are developing them for the same reason all countries with nuclear weapons developed their own, as a deterrent to others.

As for the last paragraph, well the US is the only country to have ever used nuclear force in warfare, so what your saying over there is absolute bullshit. You've used it before, so I as a citizen of a third world country do not feel safe knowing that an imperialist state that has invaded two countries over the past few years and who has already used nuclear force before, has nuclear weapons.

I think history and common sense tells me that my fears are much more understandable than yours, don't you think??




The Irani government for all their faults are much smarter than you give them credit for. I strongly doubt that they would ever use nuclear weapons, and i strongly doubt they are ready to die or sacrifice for any cause, they like any all other influential politicians are in it for the power and money.

Can I get some information here as to types, kinds, purposes, etc?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Nobodys going to nuke anyone, but if we are talking about possibilities here, there is a bigger possibility that the US will nuke someone than Iran doing it.

Only difference between the US and Iran is a good PR office.

Well, that and 60 years of development, study, and application.

Plus, we had great Jews doing it for us, which Iran would never do.