Ruh Row, Korean Conflict Brewing (1 Viewer)

Bjerknes

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After several days of "debate", they finally tell us what everyone has already known... that their ship was sunk by North Korea. :rolleyes2


North Korea torpedoed South's navy ship: report


(Reuters) - South Korea's military believes a torpedo fired from a North Korean submarine sank its navy ship last month, based on intelligence gathered jointly with the United States, a news report said on Thursday.

The Yonhap news agency report appears to be the clearest sign yet that Seoul blames Pyongyang for the sinking, thought to have killed 46 sailors in what would be one of the deadliest incidents between the rivals since the end of the 1950-53 Korean War.

The military's intelligence arm sent the report of "certain" North Korean involvement to the presidential Blue House soon after the incident, Yonhap quoted a high-ranking military source as saying.

The report could be an embarrassment to South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, whose government has come under criticism for its handling of the incident.

"North Korean submarines are all armed with heavy torpedoes with 200 kg (441 lb) warheads," the military source was quoted as saying by Yonhap. "It is the military intelligence's assessment that the North attacked with a heavy torpedo.

"The military intelligence has made the report to the Blue House and to the Defence Ministry immediately after the sinking of the Cheonan that it is clearly the work of North Korea's military," the source was quoted as saying.

South Korea plans to soon raise the front half of the 1,200-tonne Cheonan, which went down near a disputed sea border with North Korea, and will issue its verdict on the cause of the explosion that sank the warship after that.

Analysts said there is little South Korea can do even if Pyongyang is found to be the culprit, because a military response was likely to hurt its own quickly recovering economy and bolster North Korean leader Kim Jong-il's standing at home.

The reclusive North has denied it had anything to do with the sinking near the disputed sea border off the west coast that has already been the scene of two deadly naval battles in the past decade.

It accused Lee of using the incident for political gains ahead of crucial local elections in June.

Yonhap said the South Korean and U.S. military suspected the North was stepping up drills to infiltrate a submarine south of the naval border, hidden among Chinese fishing boats, and wage a surprise attack against the South. (Reporting by Jack Kim; Editing by Jon Herskovitz and Alex Richardson)

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I wonder what the response will be, and whether this is duck and cover time for folks in Seoul.
 

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All seems unconfirmed at the moment.

Another report I read said the ship was sunk by a some sort of kamikaze submarine.
 
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    All seems unconfirmed at the moment.

    Another report I read said the ship was sunk by a some sort of kamikaze submarine.
    There have been so many theories thus far that simply don't make sense, unless the captain of the ship was a total retard. First they said it was an accidental sinking by human error, then they claimed they hit something submerged in the water, then even a NK official came out to say they torpedoed the ship.

    Chances are this was a real sinking by NK, but there have been efforts to keep it under wraps. The reason why is anybody's guess.

    Funny how the North Koreans basically get to do whatever they want with limited scrutiny, but Iran is heavily demonized. I wonder why that is.
     

    Vinman

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    There have been so many theories thus far that simply don't make sense, unless the captain of the ship was a total retard. First they said it was an accidental sinking by human error, then they claimed they hit something submerged in the water, then even a NK official came out to say they torpedoed the ship.

    Chances are this was a real sinking by NK, but there have been efforts to keep it under wraps. The reason why is anybody's guess.

    Funny how the North Koreans basically get to do whatever they want with limited scrutiny, but Iran is heavily demonized. I wonder why that is.
    no, it was an iceberg that sank the ship !!:p

    Iran is demonized ?? What are we REALLY doing about them besides useless sanctions ??

    We keep stalling, and they continue to accomplish their goal of building nuclear missiles.....and its not like they havent threatened to use them once they get them, right ??

    Off topic for this thread, but Israel will take care of theirs, ours, the Middle East, and Europe's little problem
     
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    Bjerknes

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    I'm not aware of any threat besides the one reported by Israeli press that Iran would strike back if they were attacked.

    Tell me, over the past century, how many nations has Iran instigated a legitimate attack against, and I'm not talking about taking hostages here.

    But you are probably right, Israel will attack Iran. Then you and I and the rest of the world will be utterly screwed on multiple levels.
     

    Vinman

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    I'm not aware of any threat besides the one reported by Israeli press that Iran would strike back if they were attacked.

    Tell me, over the past century, how many nations has Iran instigated a legitimate attack against, and I'm not talking about taking hostages here.

    But you are probably right, Israel will attack Iran. Then you and I and the rest of the world will be utterly screwed on multiple levels.
    I believe Iran threatened to "wipe Israel off the map",which started the war of words

    How about the Iran-Iraq war.....was Iran an innocent victim there ??

    Why doesnt the hostage crisis count ?? It was the beginning of their "revolution"

    and you think a nuclear armed Iran is good for the world ???
     
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    I believe Iran threatened to "wipe Israel off the map",which started the war of words

    How about the Iran-Iraq war.....was Iran an innocent victim there ??

    Why doesnt the hostage crisis count ?? It was the beginning of their "revolution"

    and you think a nuclear armed Iran is good for the world ???
    Iraq invaded Iran, Vinni. Not the other way around. The US and Reagan gave their unconditional support to Iraq throughout the war, urging them to take action.

    I shouldn't have to say why the hostage crisis doesn't count.

    Remember that our government funded the coups and uprisings in Iran, helping the situation on towards its present day state.

    When it comes to Iran's nuclear capability, we have heard this same story before; prior to going into Iraq. The same demonization and disinfo propaganda campaign is being used today, which is very simple to do because the scriptors only have to change one letter. The boy has already cried wolf once and there is no reason to believe he's not doing it again.

    I care much more about the American economy and our overall well-being than Israel's safety. If the latter attacks Iran we will face horrendous consequences regardless of whether we help them or not. These phony allies can go to hell.
     

    Ahmed

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    I believe Iran threatened to "wipe Israel off the map",which started the war of words

    How about the Iran-Iraq war.....was Iran an innocent victim there ??

    Why doesnt the hostage crisis count ?? It was the beginning of their "revolution"

    and you think a nuclear armed Iran is good for the world ???

    are you Israel?

    a nuclear armed United States of America is certainly not good for the world.
     

    Zlatan

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    Vinnie :D

    As Andy said, the US is involved in a lot of the world's shit, supporting coups in Iran, supported Saddam, the Taliban against the Russians, in Nicaragua, most likely in Yugoslavia as well, etc, etc.


    So TBH it's America's foreign policy of the past that has hurt you and that has led to the current state.
     

    Fred

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    I believe Iran threatened to "wipe Israel off the map",which started the war of words

    How about the Iran-Iraq war.....was Iran an innocent victim there ??

    Why doesnt the hostage crisis count ?? It was the beginning of their "revolution"

    and you think a nuclear armed Iran is good for the world ???
    Do you think a nuclear armed Israeli government is good for the world?
     

    X Æ A-12

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    Nuclear arms in general are not good for the world. Seriously, I'm sure they fuck up the environment. Living in age were numerous countries posses the ability to ruin the planet or commit mass murder is frightening.
     

    Fred

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    Of course.

    But lets be realistic here, nobody is going to give them up. So since Israel has nuclear weapons, its only fair that Iran has them too.
     

    X Æ A-12

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    Of course.

    But lets be realistic here, nobody is going to give them up. So since Israel has nuclear weapons, its only fair that Iran has them too.
    You've got to be kidding me, you support Iran getting nuclear weapons?! If it wasn't for the all of the negative effects that would ensue for countries around the world I would be in full support of Israel doing whatever they had to before allowing nuclear weapons in the hands of such.

    I don't like Israel at all but they are far less radical and have every right to feel threatened by Iran's nuclear program. Iran getting nuclear weapons is the last thing that needs to happen to resolve this without bloodshed

    No offense but I think that world is much safer with a majority of nuclear weapons in the hand of western nations and I support doing everything possible to keep them out of the hands of any middle eastern country. I don't care if its fair or not but nuclear weapons and unstable political environments is a bad combination.
     

    Ahmed

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    No offense but I think that world is much safer with a majority of nuclear weapons in the hand of western nations and I support doing everything possible to keep them out of the hands of any middle eastern country. I don't care if its fair or not but nuclear weapons and unstable political environments is a bad combination.
    :rofl:
     

    Fred

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    You've got to be kidding me, you support Iran getting nuclear weapons?! If it wasn't for the all of the negative effects that would ensue for countries around the world I would be in full support of Israel doing whatever they had to before allowing nuclear weapons in the hands of such.

    I don't like Israel at all but they are far less radical and have every right to feel threatened by Iran's nuclear program. Iran getting nuclear weapons is the last thing that needs to happen to resolve this without bloodshed

    No offense but I think that world is much safer with a majority of nuclear weapons in the hand of western nations and I support doing everything possible to keep them out of the hands of any middle eastern country. I don't care if its fair or not but nuclear weapons and unstable political environments is a bad combination.
    What you fail to understand and what you people always leave out is that while western countries have stable internal political environments, they have always been the most governments that have instigated international conflicts.

    Portuguese, British, French and Italian imperialism in Africa and the Middle East is a prime example.

    Something else you are forgetting is, the two governments that are responsible for the innocent lives of most people in this new century have not been Iraq, Iran or North Korea. No sir, they have been the US(Afghanistan and Iraq) and Israel.

    So when you look past the bullshit your media has been feeding you, you'd know that the two most inhumane, cold blooded, murdering governments are governments who already have nuclear weapons.
     

    Fred

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    I tried very hard not to laugh at what he said or be patronizing about it. Believe me, the post i just wrote took a lot of restraint from me.


    Western governments have killed more people than us poor middle easterners can ever dream of, yet he believes it to be perfectly ok for them and that murdering thieving Israeli occupation to have nuclear weapons but its not ok for Iran.

    Double standards at its very best.
     

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