Rodrigo Bentancur (32 Viewers)

[Elvin]

He's doing a solid defensive job, and he's doing it quietly, but it is not appreciated because he's a terrible passer and due to his brain farts from last year.
This season (per 90 minutes stats) he is in top 10 in serie A among the midfielders in tackles (4th), interceptions (2nd) and aerials won (8th). These are excellent defensive stats for a midfielder. The other midfielders, at least in some categories, also have solid defensive stats. For example, Locatelli is 1st in the league among the midfielders in blocked shots, while McKennie is 5th in the same category. Rabiot is 5th among the midfielders in won aerials.

But once it comes to their offensive input, then our guys don't even make the top 10 in the league. This is best seen in the "key passes" category, i.e in chances created. Our best "key passer" is 30th in serie A among the mids. All our midfielders together create 3.1 chances in one match, which means they make 3.1 passes per 90 minutes which lead to a shot on target. Calhanoglu alone makes 3.4 key passes per 90 minutes, while Inter's midfield (Calhanoglu, Barella, Brozovic, Vidal) makes 7 key passes per 90 minutes. They create 4 more chances than our midfielders per 1 match.

Someone like Pogba on that left side instead of Rabiot/McKennie and, of course, a top striker, would make what Locatelli and Bentancur do defensively look much better and more appreciated.

wtf is the point of winning the ball when you will just lose it instantly to a shitty pass. Meaning, his defensive work is pretty much cancelled out.

he is the worst midfielder I have ever seen, he is even bad at back passing, let alone forward passing.

 

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[Alen]

wtf is the point of winning the ball when you will just lose it instantly to a shitty pass. Meaning, his defensive work is pretty much cancelled out. At least Gattuso was good enough to make a simple pass to a team-mate.

But it's not true, come on.
Bentancur makes 58.5 passes per 90 minutes, of which 51.2 are accurate. He makes 2 inaccurate long passes and 5.3 inaccurate short passes.
Locatelli makes 60.8 passes per 90 minutes, of which 52.5 are accurate. He makes 2.7 inaccurate long passes and 5.6 inaccurate short passes.

 

[Elvin]

But it's not true, come on.
Bentancur makes 58.5 passes per 90 minutes, of which 51.2 are accurate. He makes 2 inaccurate long passes and 5.3 inaccurate short passes.
Locatelli makes 60.8 passes per 90 minutes, of which 52.5 are accurate. He makes 2.7 inaccurate long passes and 5.6 inaccurate short passes.

you of all people know that statistics don't show the real picture.

 

[il brutto]

you of all people know that statistics don't show the real picture.

I would argue that those numbers are pretty significant.

 

[s4tch]

I would argue that those numbers are pretty significant.

even noteworthy

bentancur's brainfarts are infuriating. without them, he's a solid defensive player, and that includes his passing.

 

[U Picciriddu]

But it's not true, come on.
Bentancur makes 58.5 passes per 90 minutes, of which 51.2 are accurate. He makes 2 inaccurate long passes and 5.3 inaccurate short passes.
Locatelli makes 60.8 passes per 90 minutes, of which 52.5 are accurate. He makes 2.7 inaccurate long passes and 5.6 inaccurate short passes.

It doesn’t show the full picture.

He isn’t able to be of use in attack meanwhile he isn’t a Makelele defensively either, this isn’t the standard we should settle for

 

[Elvin]

I would argue that those numbers are pretty significant.

This is not a poll tho.

Open a poll in this thread whether Bentancur is more useful or harmful.

 

[DAiDEViL]

His passing forward sucks. He is of no use in attack. Comparing his numbers to Locatelli who plays all kinds of risky balls is a bit off.

 

[Sadomin]

But it's not true, come on.
Bentancur makes 58.5 passes per 90 minutes, of which 51.2 are accurate. He makes 2 inaccurate long passes and 5.3 inaccurate short passes.
Locatelli makes 60.8 passes per 90 minutes, of which 52.5 are accurate. He makes 2.7 inaccurate long passes and 5.6 inaccurate short passes.

How does he compare to the all time king of stats, D'Agostino? The one that got away ...

 

[Alen]

His passing forward sucks. He is of no use in attack. Comparing his numbers to Locatelli who plays all kinds of risky balls is a bit off.

It was only in reply to a claim that he's immediately's losing every ball he wins. He's not losing more balls compared to our other midfielders. Less as a matter of fact. Of course we can't compare his passing to Locatelli's. Bentancur is a bad passer. Far from a harmful player, though, when he's not being used like last year in front of the defense.

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bentancur's brainfarts are infuriating

But didn't a huge majority of those happen last year when he played in front of the defense and had to be the playmaker? He was terrible, indeed, but is it his fault that he was played there? I wonder how would Pogba, Vidal, Rabiot, McKennie do there. Actually, I don't even want to imagine the last two playing there.

 

[Elvin]

It was only in reply to a claim that he's immediately's losing every ball he wins. He's not losing more balls compared to our other midfielders. Less as a matter of fact. Of course we can't compare his passing to Locatelli's. Bentancur is a bad passer. Far from a harmful player, though, when he's not being used like last year in front of the defense.

I dunno man, all I know is that whenever he is with the ball I expect a mistake/bad pass/missed opportunity, and don't expect a goal/assist. What you expect from a player is the true indicator of quality IMO.

 

[GiocataGrande]

feels kinda weird to potentially let him go after yesterdays game, where he did really well. Thing is he is such a limited player and we havent seen these performances nearly enough in several years.

I think its safe to move on and cash in.

 

[il brutto]

I dunno man, all I know is that whenever he is with the ball I expect a mistake/bad pass/missed opportunity, and don't expect a goal/assist. What you expect from a player is the true indicator of quality IMO.

And that is exactly the problem. You are rating players based on some imaginary scenarios that happen in your head rather than the actual output. That is no way to rate a player, or it is but just a terrible one.

 

[Elvin]

And that is exactly the problem. You are rating players based on some imaginary scenarios that happen in your head rather than the actual output. That is no way to rate a player, or it is but just a terrible one.

everyone does it, it's intuitive and natural. Not everything can be broken down into stats and pretentious insights.

Bentancur sucks ass, no ifs or buts about it.

 

[il brutto]

everyone does it, it's intuitive and natural. Not everything can be broken down into stats and pretentious insights.

No wonder that the average footie fan has no clue about football then. Just inventing stuff and using that as a basis for player evaluation is bound to lead to weird and inaccurate conclusions.

 

[Elvin]

No wonder that the average footie fan has no clue about football then. Just inventing stuff and using that as a basis for player evaluation is bound to lead to weird and inaccurate conclusions.

Bentancur being a shitty player is well-established, come on bro.

 

[U Picciriddu]

It aren’t Real Madrid and City who are after him, 20m isn’t a lot. It says a lot that Villa is interested

 

[il brutto]

Bentancur being a shitty player is well-established, come on bro.

Yes, he had a really bad last year or so, I don't think anyone disagrees with that. However he has also had good spells at Juve and has now played two very good games in a row that give some hope that there's still a useful player in there. I don't expect him to ever become much of a threat in the attacking third, but if he can maintain this form defensively I'd be happy.

 

[Bjerknes]

This dude is trending on Twitter today. I've seen it all now.

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[Quetzalcoatl]

Yeah, he has to go for no less than 60M