I'd honestly rather not think about it, its a pretty whacked out hypothetical.
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But what I'm trying to say is that both the Pope and Livni were in the same position. They have to take responsibility for the actions of others but rape...murder...same thing? The difference mind you is that while Livni didn't pull the trigger of a gun, she still ordered soldiers into Gaza for the purpose of killing innocent Palestinians. The Pope didn't go out and say.. ok today we're going to launch a program to rape as many alter boys as we can.
I'm not trying to trick you. I'm trying to show that A. raping young boys is probably not as bad as spraying them with bullets and B. an inability to take responsibility for the actions of others is not the same as ordering others to act and then denying any responsibility for it.
Pretty much, if you think the Pope and Livni's situation is even nearly similar you're kidding yourself.
Pretty much, if you think the Pope and Livni's situation is even nearly similar you're kidding yourself.
Exactly. Say what you want about the Pope, he did not order killing people including innocent women and children, throwing people out of their homes, and denying people basic rights like food, electricity and medicine.
A "person" like Livni is the one that deserves to be raped by a priest.
Probably because you watch too much Sky?
A "person" like Livni is the one that deserves to be raped by a priest.
Probably because you watch too much Sky?
As you well know i am a student living on campus, how would i have access to sky news?
I find myself too liberal to debate the conflict because to both sides i look like an appologist, which i probably am.
I have no real side on the sitauation. I dont believe israel should exist, but we cant unexist it and the way that both sides have behaved in the conflict is disgraceful. The issue i have as a student of politics is that the democratic state is difficult to criticise when it is dealing with a terrorist cell.
It essentially the same as if scottish terror cells started firing rockets on english cities. The sovereign state has to take action. Israel has just gone about it in completely the wrong way and as a result i then find it almost impossible to defend them.
I know it is probably difficult to understand where i am coming from here because you live in the Arabic world and will through naturalisation have a completely different opinion of it to me.
I find myself too liberal to debate the conflict because to both sides i look like an appologist, which i probably am.
I have no real side on the sitauation. I dont believe israel should exist, but we cant unexist it and the way that both sides have behaved in the conflict is disgraceful. The issue i have as a student of politics is that the democratic state is difficult to criticise when it is dealing with a terrorist cell.
It essentially the same as if scottish terror cells started firing rockets on english cities. The sovereign state has to take action. Israel has just gone about it in completely the wrong way and as a result i then find it almost impossible to defend them.
I know it is probably difficult to understand where i am coming from here because you live in the Arabic world and will through naturalisation have a completely different opinion of it to me.
it won't be long now.A democratic state that kills more innocent civilians than any other government? Fuck democracy, if Israel is a democratic state. Its a murdering, thieving, immoral state as far as i'm concerned.
Also the fact that most of my friends are Palestinians who have confiscated land, homes over there, or have a dead uncle, grandparent, parent, cousin, sibling etc because of Israel, and the fact that most of them have never been to their country and will never get the chance to go there. I think all those factors could have contributed to me having a different opinion too.
Also the fact that most of my friends are Palestinians who have confiscated land, homes over there, or have a dead uncle, grandparent, parent, cousin, sibling etc because of Israel, and the fact that most of them have never been to their country and will never get the chance to go there. I think all those factors could have contributed to me having a different opinion too.
Ok, this is getting posted for the last time. I know people may think me an Sam are full of shit but we spent all day learning about the pissy little details within international politics that are of some significane
Democracy is merely the appoint of rulers by the people aka Demos.
Liberal Democracy is a system thats supports the ideals of human rights and the rule of law.
It the same way that Terrorism is a tactic and a Terrorist is somebody that practices Terrorism, hence USA- Terrorists,Hamas Terrorists etc.
Appologies Fred your just being quoted but it's happened 5 or 6 times in the past month.
Democracy is merely the appoint of rulers by the people aka Demos.
Liberal Democracy is a system thats supports the ideals of human rights and the rule of law.
It the same way that Terrorism is a tactic and a Terrorist is somebody that practices Terrorism, hence USA- Terrorists,Hamas Terrorists etc.
Appologies Fred your just being quoted but it's happened 5 or 6 times in the past month.
Ok, if that is the case, then Israel is not the only democracy in the Middle East as people always say. There are countries like Algeria who have elections to choose their president*, same goes for Lebanon and a few other countries.
* Even though the integrity of the election process is up for debate.
* Even though the integrity of the election process is up for debate.