Riccardo Montolivo - CM - Fiorentina (6 Viewers)

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I think that Montolivo is very overestimated. He hasn´t reached the potenial many thought he had but I still think that he would be an good addition to the squad. We need a backup to Pirlo, what happens if he gets injured? Montolivo for 3-5 € is a catch!
 

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Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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I think that Montolivo is very overestimated. He hasn´t reached the potenial many thought he had but I still think that he would be an good addition to the squad. We need a backup to Pirlo, what happens if he gets injured? Montolivo for 3-5 € is a catch!
he is rated to his value by tacticians, and seriously underrated by kids who like flairfull players that add few to the team

montolivo is a good asset for any team, we should get him for that price so we are set for CM's for a while
 

Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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I think that Montolivo is very overestimated. He hasn´t reached the potenial many thought he had but I still think that he would be an good addition to the squad. We need a backup to Pirlo, what happens if he gets injured? Montolivo for 3-5 € is a catch!
we heard the same things about Dagostino. but we all saw how he ended up.
At any case, the last thing we need is yet another mediocre Italian CM sub.

If we get a LM starter and stop fielding the versatile Marchisio on the left, then one of Marchisio Vidal will have to stay on the bench along with Pazienza and Marrone.
Enough with this BS, no one can replace Pirlo, not even Marchisio, let alone Montolivo or Piazenza.
Thats why Conte said, try not to be Pirlo and be Piazenza.

The real issue is that we trust no one of Giacch, Elia and EstiG to be our starters and therefore we opt for a CM.
The mistake was made back in the summer, when we opted to priorize the acquisitions of subs instead of a starter.
Now we have an opportunity to fix it and we are opting to buy even more subs to irrelevant and stacked up positions yet again??

How stupid can we be?
For six years now, we know we need a LM and a LB, if we stop buying more SS and CB, we wont have to play a CM and a CB on the left.
Anyone who supports this move is either a stupid fellow, unable to comprehend this simple thing that haunts us for six year or an utranationalist, who only cares about having as many IT NT players as possible.
 

j0ker

Capo di tutti capi
Jan 5, 2006
22,846
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we heard the same things about Dagostino. but we all saw how he ended up.
At any case, the last thing we need is yet another mediocre Italian CM sub.

If we get a LM starter and stop fielding the versatile Marchisio on the left, then one of Marchisio Vidal will have to stay on the bench along with Pazienza and Marrone.
Enough with this BS, no one can replace Pirlo, not even Marchisio, let alone Montolivo or Piazenza.
Thats why Conte said, try not to be Pirlo and be Piazenza.

The real issue is that we trust no one of Giacch, Elia and EstiG to be our starters and therefore we opt for a CM.
The mistake was made back in the summer, when we opted to priorize the acquisitions of subs instead of a starter.
Now we have an opportunity to fix it and we are opting to buy even more subs to irrelevant and stacked up positions yet again??

How stupid can we be?
For six years now, we know we need a LM and a LB, if we stop buying more SS and CB, we wont have to play a CM and a CB on the left.
Anyone who supports this move is either a stupid fellow, unable to comprehend this simple thing that haunts us for six year or an utranationalist, who only cares about having as many IT NT players as possible.
We are playing 4-3-3 we don't need a fucking LM !!
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
41,646
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we heard the same things about Dagostino. but we all saw how he ended up.
At any case, the last thing we need is yet another mediocre Italian CM sub.

If we get a LM starter and stop fielding the versatile Marchisio on the left, then one of Marchisio Vidal will have to stay on the bench along with Pazienza and Marrone.
Enough with this BS, no one can replace Pirlo, not even Marchisio, let alone Montolivo or Piazenza.
Thats why Conte said, try not to be Pirlo and be Piazenza.

The real issue is that we trust no one of Giacch, Elia and EstiG to be our starters and therefore we opt for a CM.
The mistake was made back in the summer, when we opted to priorize the acquisitions of subs instead of a starter.
Now we have an opportunity to fix it and we are opting to buy even more subs to irrelevant and stacked up positions yet again??

How stupid can we be?
For six years now, we know we need a LM and a LB, if we stop buying more SS and CB, we wont have to play a CM and a CB on the left.
Anyone who supports this move is either a stupid fellow, unable to comprehend this simple thing that haunts us for six year or an utranationalist, who only cares about having as many IT NT players as possible.
Why do you keep thinking this? Why would we bench Marchisio? Our 3 MAN MIDFIELD OF CENTRE MIDFIELDERS is our strength. Marchisio is not a LM, I don't if you play too much FIFA or FM or what but he's not a LM unless you're living 8 months behind everyone else with Del Neri's Juve. Actually, come to think of it, you probably are, since greece is a shithole and the tv stations have been so broke that they are months behind.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
^thank God!!!


we heard the same things about Dagostino. but we all saw how he ended up.
At any case, the last thing we need is yet another mediocre Italian CM sub.

If we get a LM starter and stop fielding the versatile Marchisio on the left, then one of Marchisio Vidal will have to stay on the bench along with Pazienza and Marrone.
Enough with this BS, no one can replace Pirlo, not even Marchisio, let alone Montolivo or Piazenza.
Thats why Conte said, try not to be Pirlo and be Piazenza.

The real issue is that we trust no one of Giacch, Elia and EstiG to be our starters and therefore we opt for a CM.
The mistake was made back in the summer, when we opted to priorize the acquisitions of subs instead of a starter.
Now we have an opportunity to fix it and we are opting to buy even more subs to irrelevant and stacked up positions yet again??

How stupid can we be?
For six years now, we know we need a LM and a LB, if we stop buying more SS and CB, we wont have to play a CM and a CB on the left.
Anyone who supports this move is either a stupid fellow, unable to comprehend this simple thing that haunts us for six year or an utranationalist, who only cares about having as many IT NT players as possible.
we play 4-3-3

marchsio pirlo vidal are starter cm

our subs are pazienza and marone ?

if pirlo is subbed, we move pepe to CM

we dont need a LM, we got vucinic, and if we get borriello we got plenty of LW cover

we need a pirlo sub,so we arent foced to move pepe around to cover the midfield

monty, borry, and for the right price a LB
but since our defence is good enough for scudetto

disagree ? we took al the big teams away and still got second best defence in league, AND bonucci is improving form lately.

for europe we need a LB, so it can be a summer objective
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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That might be the most pointless Cronios post of all time, he says we are stacked in CMs, when we are VERY exposed in that department (only have 3 really, dont put much stock to Pazienza's filler role in our squad), while he suggests we should get a winger, when have two dozens of them in the squad :p Then ignores basic reality apparently and claims Marchisio plays left midfielder, like we time warped back to 2009 :p Seriously defenitely complaining for the heck of it in parodic way. Because I'm pretty sure he was nonstop complaining about us signing wingers in the summer.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
That might be the most pointless Cronios post of all time, he says we are stacked in CMs, when we are VERY exposed in that department (only have 3 really, dont put much stock to Pazienza's filler role in our squad), while he suggests we should get a winger, when have two dozens of them in the squad :p Then ignores basic reality apparently and claims Marchisio plays left midfielder, like we time warped back to 2009 :p Seriously defenitely complaining for the heck of it in parodic way. Because I'm pretty sure he was nonstop complaining about us signing wingers in the summer.
correct

another thing was when recently we had to shift pepe to the midfield because of 1 injury.

1 injury


sorry cron, we field 3 CM and we need more then 1 backup
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
52,573
^thank God!!!


we heard the same things about Dagostino. but we all saw how he ended up.
At any case, the last thing we need is yet another mediocre Italian CM sub.

If we get a LM starter and stop fielding the versatile Marchisio on the left, then one of Marchisio Vidal will have to stay on the bench along with Pazienza and Marrone.
Enough with this BS, no one can replace Pirlo, not even Marchisio, let alone Montolivo or Piazenza.
Thats why Conte said, try not to be Pirlo and be Piazenza.

The real issue is that we trust no one of Giacch, Elia and EstiG to be our starters and therefore we opt for a CM.
The mistake was made back in the summer, when we opted to priorize the acquisitions of subs instead of a starter.
Now we have an opportunity to fix it and we are opting to buy even more subs to irrelevant and stacked up positions yet again??

How stupid can we be?
For six years now, we know we need a LM and a LB, if we stop buying more SS and CB, we wont have to play a CM and a CB on the left.
Anyone who supports this move is either a stupid fellow, unable to comprehend this simple thing that haunts us for six year or an utranationalist, who only cares about having as many IT NT players as possible.
I don't want to repeat what has been said lots of times, Cron, but you're repeating yourself a lot and some of your thoughts show lack of understanding what is happening, despite some of your thesis being spot on.

After long time we're finally topping serie A at winter, which says that something is done correctly. According to you and many others, it's Conte who did this "miracle". Conte found that the 4-3-3 formation is the best for this set of players and, obviously, the three men midfield is the biggest strength of the team since all three men there are quality.
Since you don't change what's bringing you wins and Conte obviously won't change the 3 men midfield, we'll need to create our team having the 4-3-3 formation and the 3 men midfield in mind.

This means that for a 25 men squad, of which 11 players will start the match in a 4-3-3 formation, we will need:
- 2 goalkeepers
- 2 right backs
- 4 center backs
- 2 left backs
- 6 CMs
- 6 attacking players
+
3 additional players (the third goalkeeper and two others, preferably versatile players who can cover 2 or more positions)

Do you agree with this, at least?

If you do, lets continue: Our main strength, the 3 CMs, don't have replacements, except Pazienza. If one of Vidal, Pirlo and Marchisio is out for a month or more, would you like Pazienza to be the first option? I believe you don't. That's why it would be great to have 2 other CMs, one of which at least will have to be quality. You say that Felipe Melo can be that player and I won't mind at all if he is, but Melo won't come back to be a reserve. He was problematic even as a starter. That's where buying a solid player like Montolivo could help this team. Shortly: We do need two new CMs of which at least one needs to be quality. Montolivo definitely isn't a world beater, but he's a very good player and probably better than anything else we could do there right now.

We continue with the attackers. We need 6 attacking players for the 4-3-3 and I'll make it 7, just in case. Right now we have 12 such players! Toni, Del Piero, Vucinic, Quag, Krasic, Pepe, Giaccherini, Amauri, Iaquinta, Estigarribia, Matri and Elia. We need to get rid of 5 of them. Toni, Amauri and Iaquinta are three. If it's Del Piero's last season, that makes it 4. We need to get rid of one of the wingers too. Since only Quag, Matri and Mirko will be the strikers left, we will need to add one more attacker and get rid of one other winger.

Do you finally understand what we're all saying and why we are disagreeing with you? You say we don't need attackers and CMs, but we obviously do.

As for the defense, you're spot on there. We surely need a new LB and we also need some other options for the bench.
 
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