Records are meant to be broken! (2 Viewers)

[Elvin]

Hola mates!

Last weekend Raúl scored his 307th goal in Real Madrid jersey, thus equaling Alfredo Di Stefano's All Time Top Scorer record.

Isn't it fascinating how many top scorer and appearance records that have been around for so many years are being beaten literally in the last 4-5 seasons by modern legends.

Alessandro Del Piero has destroyed Boniperti's goal, and Gai Scirea's caps records.

Thierry Henry, surpassed Ian Wright as Arsenal's and Michel Platini as France NT top scorer.

Francesco Totti has both records for Roma.

Giggs has beaten MU's caps record recently.
C. Ronaldo literally killed George Best's title for most goals as a winger, which no one would imagine could ever happen.

Cafu and Zanetti snatched NT cap records for Brazil and Argentina respectively.

Pauleta beat Eusebio as a Portuguese bomber (Eusebio FFS).

Maldini has Milan's.
Cannavoro is about to break his Azzurri record, which no one thought could be broken after Zoff left with 112 anyway.

Gerd Muller's European goal and FIFA World Cup scoring records have become history thanx to Inzaghi/Raul and Ronaldo.

And there is like 5 players competing with Raul for Di Stefano's once unbeatable CL scoring record.

Those are just the ones I can remember right now.

All this talk that "oh the era of loyal players and club legends is long gone", kinda sounds like bullshit, doesn't it?

What do you guys think? Does the game keep evolving or does the game keep evolving, huh?

 

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[ßöмßäяðîëя]

In 1972/73 Gerd Mueller scored 40 goals in 34 Bundesliga games, and no one in the world has come close to breaking this, and neither has Sepp Maier's 473 appearances for the club.

 

[Elvin]

473 is not a lot dude, I'm surprised. Toni was close to Muller last season, wasn't he?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Luca Toni had 24 in 31 apps.

Not that close.

And it's 473 league apps., so that is about 14 years of playing, if you play every match over those 14 years.

 

[Elvin]

Muller, that crazy mofo. Wawaweewa, very nice

 

[.zero]

records are meant to be broken and i'm just glad to live to see certain milestones being reached

 

[Osman]

All this talk that "oh the era of loyal players and club legends is long gone", kinda sounds like bullshit, doesn't it?

Some of them are impressive, but most of them arent, simply because of a VERY vital factor. They play like 4 times more games nowadays then they did back then. CL back then used to be 5-6 games, now its like 17. NT games and breaking cap records is meaningless, because they play 10 times more games they did back then. ALL of the caps record are modern ones due to this. And this is the reason why Pauleta gets Eusebio's record, play 8-9 qualifying games for every tourno, big difference, NT games was more rare back then.

League records are more impressive, because the amount of games havent really changed, except perhaps the factor of that player careers are more sustainable now, so players can be around longer. But in overall, league club records are mile stones atleast (Del Piero, Henry, Raul and the likes are big time club legends, in Totti's and Henry's case, both easily best ever for their clubs). But the rest, you have to factor in of ridicolously more games modern day players play. Not really that big deal due to that IMO.

 

[Martin]

Some of them are impressive, but most of them arent, simply because of a VERY vital factor. They play like 4 times more games nowadays then they did back then. CL back then used to be 5-6 games, now its like 17. NT games and breaking cap records is meaningless, because they play 10 times more games they did back then. ALL of the caps record are modern ones due to this. And this is the reason why Pauleta gets Eusebio's record, play 8-9 qualifying games for every tourno, big difference, NT games was more rare back then.

League records are more impressive, because the amount of games havent really changed, except perhaps the factor of that player careers are more sustainable now, so players can be around longer. But in overall, league club records are mile stones atleast (Del Piero, Henry, Raul and the likes are big time club legends, in Totti's and Henry's case, both easily best ever for their clubs). But the rest, you have to factor in of ridicolously more games modern day players play. Not really that big deal due to that IMO.

I think you're jumping to conclusions. It's true there are a lot more games and tournaments nowadays, but on the other hand some players are haunted by injuries for it and the rest readily admit exhaustion upon them in certain periods.

So to claim that if you make a worker work twice the hours his output will be twice as high is fairly optimistic, don't you think?

It's a different world today, and Di Stefano's roughly 300 goals in 400 matches is not going to happen again. But on the other hand it's rather hard to sustain the same quality if you're playing way more matches.

 

[Martin]

Elvin, I was *just* thinking of doing a thread like this

Years ago people used to mention Raul and Del Piero in the same sentence a lot. Today they've both achieved what only the most optimistic of fans could have believed. Strangely enough, today Del Piero is the best player on his team while Raul is the most cursed on his.

Raul - 683 caps - 307 goals - 0.45
Del Piero - 586 caps - 254 goals - 0.43

If you wanna throw in the joker as well..

Totti - 519 caps - 209 goals - 0.40

 

[Elvin]

Elvin, I was *just* thinking of doing a thread like this

Years ago people used to mention Raul and Del Piero in the same sentence a lot. Today they've both achieved what only the most optimistic of fans could have believed. Strangely enough, today Del Piero is the best player on his team while Raul is the most cursed on his.

Raul - 683 caps - 307 goals - 0.45
Del Piero - 586 caps - 254 goals - 0.43

If you wanna throw in the joker as well..

Totti - 519 caps - 209 goals - 0.40

Why strangely tho? Del has always been one of the main men at Juventus (the main man most of the time actually),
wheres Raul was mostly in the shadow of Real's other superstars and played a role of a just goalpoacher at times.

I respect Raul, but most of his goals are rather disgusting to look at

 

[Martin]

Why strangely tho? Del has always been one of the main men at Juventus (the main man most of the time actually),
wheres Raul was mostly in the shadow of Real's other superstars and played a role of a just goalpoacher at times.

I respect Raul, but most of his goals are rather disgusting to look at

It's strange because how often does a Raul appear? If I were a fan I would much rather enjoy him right now, despite his flaws, than complain about how he's not pulling his weight. Then when he'd retired I'd know that I've seen one of the best players in the history of the club, the one that broke all the records. And to hell with it if he wasn't actually as good as Di Stefano, at least he played in my time.

As, let's be honest, we've done with DP at times.

 

[Elvin]

Ho capito Another reason we should never even consider selling Buffon. So we can say we've had the pleasure of seeing the whole career of world's greatest keeper at Juventus.

Though, even objectively speaking Del Piero is probably our greatest ever.

PS and he's never gone 8 months without scoring despite of starting match-in-match-out *cough cough*

 

[Martin]

Let's not go there, DP had his failures too. Why dwell on them.

It turns out Raul has two records left. 20 or so appearances to catch Manuel Sanchis (the emeritus that captained RM against us in '98) and about 40 to reach Zarra on league goals. And that's after beating friggin Di Stefano.

Of course, he, like DP, never won the Golden Ball, which is total bullshit.

 

[Elvin]

And the likes of Owen and Shevchoko have

 

[Alen]

Nothing wrong with Shevchenko winning the ballon d'or. He was also a Great both in Italy and Europe (serie A, world's strongest domestic league at the time, and CL). Shevchenko made the mistake at 30, when he went to Chelsea, but from the time when he was still a teenager up until he was 30, he was always brilliant.

Owen on the other hand.....

 

[Fred]

Feel free to fresh my memory, but wasn't Owen out of this world in 2001? I distinctly remember him being one of the worlds deadliest strikers at the time.

 

[Alen]

Feel free to fresh my memory, but wasn't Owen out of this world in 2001? I distinctly remember him being one of the worlds deadliest strikers at the time.

I thought we're talking about football greats. Michael Owen's prime was when he was 22 and after that he was nothing.

 

[Bjerknes]

I thought we're talking about football greats. Michael Owen's prime was when he was 22 and after that he was nothing.

Seriously. Sure, Owen was a talented player, but he should not have won the Golden Ball.

 

[Fred]

I thought we're talking about football greats. Michael Owen's prime was when he was 22 and after that he was nothing.

No, you misunderstood me, i wasn't implying he was a great footballer, what i meant to say, was that at 2001, his Ballon D'Or was perfectly deserved.

 

[Bjerknes]

Was it really deserved, Fred? What about Raul and Totti?