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Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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  • Thread Starter #21
    PS 2 : And i wonder for the ones who have rated our performances with six and yet, believe that we had a better season, what kind of lower rate would have given to our previous season???
    When i voted for this season i didn't make any comparisons with last season. I just voted by having the expectations i had in August in mind. I see the two poll questions unrelated to eachother.

    I expected 3rd place, with at least semifinal in Coppa and at least to pass the group stages in CL. That was the average, the 5.5.

    We won the second place (sharing it with Milan, with a worse goal difference but better H2H, which luckily counts), we made it to the semi in coppa and to the second round in CL, and i see only a slight improvement from my expectations. That's why i voted 6.00.
     

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    JCK

    Biased
    JCK
    May 11, 2004
    125,381
    #22
    PS 2 : And i wonder for the ones who have rated our performances with six and yet, believe that we had a better season, what kind of lower rate would have given to our previous season???
    The real question is what each and every one of us considers the grade. For example, Andy voted for a 5, what does it take for him to give an 8? You voted an 8, what is a 10 for you?

    I voted for a 7, it would have been 8 had we won the Coppa, 9 had we won either the Scudetto or the CL and 10 had we won both.
     

    IrishZebra

    Western Imperialist
    Jun 18, 2006
    23,327
    #23
    The real question is what each and every one of us considers the grade. For example, Andy voted for a 5, what does it take for him to give an 8? You voted an 8, what is a 10 for you?

    I voted for a 7, it would have been 8 had we won the Coppa, 9 had we won either the Scudetto or the CL and 10 had we won both.
    :tup:
     

    Cronios

    Juventolog
    Jun 7, 2004
    27,519
    #24
    The main thing is a club such as Juventus should never see 2nd place as an improvement, Scudetto or GTFO.

    If we dont make some significant defensive improvements, with real investments and not just some lame cheap/free players, i predict that we are going to win nothing, again, coming next year.

    But it doesnt mean that it is going to be the faults of our players and our new manager.

    We will have to face Inter and to face them, we have to be almost as good as them.
    They have a complete team, with competitive players in all their lines and a very tactician who can take the better of them.
    Even more, they have a core that has developed some great teamwork through the years and they quality of their depth players, is almost as competitive as our starters. Not to mention the control of media and the league)
    It is unrealistic to expect us to win them with starters like Grygera, a 36yo Canna/Legro, Molinaro, Marchionni and Poulsen...
    They are far too many steps ahead...

    And it is totally unfair for the efforts our players will put, despite the handicap! To condemn their effort, only because they werent able to beat that monster. Our players did their duty in all competitions, unlike Milan's and Roma's...

    Judging by the result alone is not fair IMO, but even then, coming first after "mighty" Inter should be considered a success!!

    I agree, That theoretically, as Juve we should aim for the best.
    But it is not realistic right now! And this is a decision made by our very own board, we have different priorities now.
    I really hate that, more than every body else here, because i am the one complaining the most about that, when others tolerate it.
    But thats it!!

    It is not fair to expect wonders from our players/coach...
    They have ranked higher than better teams and we should at least give them that!!!

    What should Roma+Milan fans give to their team then??
    When i voted for this season i just voted by having the expectations i had in August in mind.

    I expected 3rd place, with at least semifinal in Coppa and at least to pass the group stages in CL. That was the average, the 5.5.

    We won the second place (sharing it with Milan, with a worse goal difference but better H2H, which luckily counts), we made it to the semi in coppa and to the second round in CL, and i see only a slight improvement from my expectations. That's why i voted 6.00.
    Man, we have exceeded your expectations, in the championship AND Coppa AND CL, and you just give it an extra 0.5?
    If we were failing any of them, it would have been just a 0.2 or 0.3??

    I had similar expectations and i would have rated us with just a 7 if were achieving a similar position in the board but worse in CL or coppa or 6 if we were failing both.
    The real question is what each and every one of us considers the grade. For example, Andy voted for a 5, what does it take for him to give an 8? You voted an 8, what is a 10 for you?

    I voted for a 7, it would have been 8 had we won the Coppa, 9 had we won either the Scudetto or the CL and 10 had we won both.
    True that!! We should make a point of reference!
    Some points are not event considered by some voters.
    It is not only our position in the league, we have done well in every competition,
    we have improved our teamwork and added two new starters in our team!
    These have to count as well!

    10 for me, considering that our season was already wasted by the end of August would have been a title, yes even Coppa, the decent appearance in the CL we have shown and at least the 2# in the league. That would be worthy of the sacrifices we made in our transfer policy, with the quantity>quality concept.
    Momentary gains vs our future prosperity wouldnt be my pick, but i could accept/respect that!
    And of course taking the maximum of our team's potential, even DC and Giovinco! (two more starters from those two, even after a bad transfer period, woulnt undermine our five year plan, that is our strategical priority)

    9 Would have been the same positions, maybe without the negative record and with a better use of our youngsters that would have upgraded our team for the future!
    I just wanted us to minimize the damage done in the last summer transfers!

    8.Would have been a decent overperforming in all the competitions we have participated, ranking higher than more competitive teams. And we have just did that IMO

    7. Same as last year, but without the extra added depth we had, or with the extra handicap of hostile refs to undermine our final result.

    6. Same as last year, 3# is our natural position/duty and we would rank there with average performance.

    5.Repeat that average performance but lose 3# just because of external intervention. Refs or an unreal performance of one of our competitors.

    4.Decent appearance in CL+cup but losing CL position in the league, or the other way around

    3. Bad performance in all competitions and UEFA rank in the league

    2. Same and even worse...

    1. No UEFA, bellow 10#

    -1,-2,-3 unconcievable relegation zone
     

    .zero

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    Aug 8, 2006
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    #25
    So, you were expecting for a championship and the CL final??
    i wasn't necessarily expecting the scudetto but we had many chances to contend for it legitimately. this season we were our own worst enemy. giving up easy points like we did against viola in the 1st game of the season.

    i know our club is not that strong but winning the league was doable. but i never expected to even advance past group stage in teh CL
     
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    Alen

    Alen

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    Man, we have exceeded your expectations, in the championship AND Coppa AND CL, and you just give it an extra 0.5?
    If we were failing any of them, it would have been just a 0.2 or 0.3??

    I had similar expectations and i would have rated us with just a 7 if were achieving a similar position in the board but worse in CL or coppa or 6 if we were failing both.
    Read again, we didn't. Apart from the 2nd place in serie A (i expected 3rd) we didn't do better than expected at all. The minimum i expected in Coppa was the semi, and we made it to the semi but not beyond the semi. The minimum i expected in CL was to pass the CL groups and that's what we did, but we didn't do better than that.

    My expectations were matched, apart from the 2nd place in serie A. If we were third in serie A (and if goal difference counted instead of h2h we'd have been third) then everything was going to be as i expected in August and which was the minimum.
     

    Cronios

    Juventolog
    Jun 7, 2004
    27,519
    #27
    i wasn't necessarily expecting the scudetto but we had many chances to contend for it legitimately. this season we were our own worst enemy. giving up easy points like we did against viola in the 1st game of the season.

    i know our club is not that strong but winning the league was doable. but i never expected to even advance past group stage in teh CL
    Yes we had and we should take our chances but..
    I disagree, i dont think it was doable, we never really threatened Inter at any stage and thats why they werent forced to do any better, collect more points (or use the media and ref pressure) Therefore, it might look doable now, from our current perspective.
    They are playing in a totally different league, they are almost in par with what the old Juve+Milan used to be... and we are def not even remotely close to that!!
    Read again, we didn't. Apart from the 2nd place in serie A (i expected 3rd) we didn't do better than expected at all. The minimum i expected in Coppa was the semi, and we made it to the semi but not beyond the semi. The minimum i expected in CL was to pass the CL groups and that's what we did, but we didn't do better than that.

    My expectations were matched, apart from the 2nd place in serie A. If we were third in serie A (and if goal difference counted instead of h2h we'd have been third) then everything was going to be as i expected in August and which was the minimum.
    I meant that, as achieving them ALL together and do even better at some of them. Achieving them singularly was "doable", with an average performance,
    BUT all of them together, without even a small mistake, is far too unrealistic.
    Esp when you consider cup tied competitions, where a single defensive or ref mistake (red card) could be fatal and of course an unlucky draw with a strong team. (cup and after after group CL stage both apply)
    Even so, if that means that we have achieved the minimum at most and did even better at one and the most important one, that it is affected more than our weakly efforts and less by luck and external intervention.
    IMO, that makes the difference of a successful year and an average year.
    I agree that our team had the potential to do any of that, but all of them and even better at the weekly effort in the league should be rated, IMO, as an above of average overall performance.

    For ex, what would your rating be, if were achieving some # in the league and CL
    and the cup final, going past the cup winners? 7/10???
    Or 2# AND the cup final AND going thought the multimillionaire Chelsea??

    I dare to say that you have overestimated our potential then and it also seem to me that your expectations were somewhat buffed lately...
    However i reckon than you have remained realistic, comparing to the majority of our members here...
     
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    Guys this season was not all that bad. Before christmas we were playing very good and winning most of our games including RM and Milan and i know that after christmas it all went downhill but lets not forget that a lot of our players got injured this season and imo Ranieri did the best he could with the team, thats not to say he shouldnt have been fired becouse he just isnt good enough for a team like juve. Overall i rate this season 7,5. Would have given it a 8 if we'd won the coppa and a 10 if we had won CL or serie A. Still now, 3 years after the scandal we are not quite as good as inter but we are slowly, but surely getting there. Now year by year expectations start to get higher for me, and probably you guys as well and thats only natural for a team like Juve. Our hunger for a throphy is starting to increase but going thru 2008-2009 season without a throphy is acceptable. But i think its safe to say that if in the next 2 years we have not won Serie A (or CL :xfinger:), its Mission Failed!
     

    swag

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    Sep 23, 2003
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    #29
    I voted for pretty much on par with last season. Some positives in our CL performance. But a lot of negatives in how we choked with a Scudetto race still not out of reach.
     

    Buck Fuddy

    Lara Chedraoui fanboy
    May 22, 2009
    10,877
    #30
    Based on the entire season with all the injuries I'd have to say we improved, albeit only marginally.
    Reaching the knock out stages of the CL was a good achievement, I wasn't sure we were going to pull it off.

    As for Serie A, we pretty much did what most expected. However, a lot of people's expectations changed over the course of the season because, for a while, it looked like we were really going to threaten Inter for the top honours. Logically, our dreadful run of late disappointed a lot of people.
     

    sateeh

    Day Walker
    Jul 28, 2003
    8,020
    #31
    Well i agree with the statements made that we are almost equal as last season. The team did very well considering the individuals we had playing in large periods of the season. Just like last season it was the motivation of the team that spurred it on to achieve those results. We are on par with last because we failed to deliver when it counts, that is where the gap in quality has shown ( both in terms of players and the coach).

    Its a real shame because i think we could've legitimately challenged Inter. Its not only that horrid run towards the end of the season, even in patches like the first Lazio game where we could've been a point away or equal with them. The last month or so just magnified our weaknesses and nobody had an answer. We could have reached them without even needing to beat them in that game in the San Siro fucking Gigli couldn't stop talking about it and that is the real disappointing aspect of it.

    Just about CR, he takes the blame not only because of his tactics in the last period or his failings to lift the squad when it matters or etc. The major mistake he did is that he burnt a lot of our players and couldn't integrate others earlier so they can have a better impact towards the end of the season.

    I think the only improvement from last season is the experience gained by some of the players we have. Amauri never played in the big stage before and now he got at taste. Marchisio, DC and Gio will be much better than they were last season because of the game time they had in several competitions. They now understands what are the expectation levels and will act better on it if they are better utilised by the now coach. IMO this is the biggest point here, even though players like DC and Gio didn't get the amount of games as many of think they should but still they played some important matches and did well.
     

    Martin

    Senior Member
    Dec 31, 2000
    56,913
    #32
    Meh, over the course of a season everything evens out and averages hide the facts. The end result is more or less as expected, but our Coppa exit was criminal and the nonchalance expressed by Ranieri ever since the CL exit was shocking. "Everything is on track, nothing to worry about." That was the start of our undoing, Trez protested and morale went to hell.

    Still, there were some wonderful moments. Beating Real twice was sweet, as was 4-2 against Milan. :party:

    And Manninger is superb, I'm thrilled we finally replaced Rampulla.
     

    JBF

    اختك يا زمن
    Aug 5, 2006
    18,451
    #34
    I'd be a laier if i said that there werent any improvments as the facts speaks for itself:
    Serie A
    Last year 72 pts---- 20-12-6 (72:37)
    This year 74 pts----21-11-6 (69:37)

    Coppa Italia
    Last year – ¼ finals
    This year – ½ finals

    Champions League
    Last year - /
    This year: Second round


    However i still beleives we could have done better both in Serie A and in the cup...but the best is about to start with Ranieri sacked and Ferrara filling the space and many unique players coming in...beleive me guys,,,the best is still to come :D:D:D
     

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