Randal Kolo Muani (3 Viewers)

[DAiDEViL]

Tuz will take away everything if they can.

They took my brain long ago and harassed it.

Sick. I know.

Pls.

How to take away what never existed in the first place.

 

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[Alin]

Conceicao being redeemed in January? Who said that? Anyone with a brain knew we would never have had the cash for that.

There’s been other rumors talking about it too, but i specifically remembered this one because i posted it.

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Anyway, there’s quite a few conflicting news regarding that €30M release clause and when it will actually become available, what is confusing is also is that if the price is just €30M i dont understand why there wasn’t an obligation or option to buy already agreed on, just as with the post i quoted regarding Kolo Muani and PSG being open to selling for about €45M, which begs again the question why didn’t we already agree on a option to buy at least, after all we’ve previously agreed an option for more than that on a nobody like Alcaraz…think there’s a few twists yet to see here, and everything points towards both Porto and even more so PSG to potentially look to raise their price if the loans are successful.

 

[Scottish]

buddy, dusan had 3 open play goals in the league before that insane goal against empoli. now he has 4 non penalty goals in 1366 minutes, while randal has 3 in 172. it's just facts. i don't find them offensive

Why are we taking away our penalties? Are they not goals? If he missed them it would be a point of criticism, no? So why are they so easily dismissed?

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Tuz will take away everything if they can.

They took my brain long ago and harassed it.

Sick. I know.

Lost it at this

 

[s4tch]

Why are we taking away our penalties? Are they not goals? If he missed them it would be a point of criticism, no? So why are they so easily dismissed?

they aren't dismissed, they are just not part of the comparison i made. kolo muani just arrived, he didn't get to score a single penalty, it makes sense to compare the two players' non penalty goal scoring frequency

let's face it, vlahovic is extremely inefficient from open play, no need to defend the indefensible. he already missed 12 big chances while scoring 4 open play goals. if randal is more effective then it makes sense to play him

 

[Scottish]

they aren't dismissed, they are just not part of the comparison i made. kolo muani just arrived, he didn't get to score a single penalty, it makes sense to compare the two players' non penalty goal scoring frequency

let's face it, vlahovic is extremely inefficient from open play, no need to defend the indefensible. he already missed 12 big chances while scoring 4 open play goals. if randal is more effective then it makes sense to play him

Yeah I'm glad he's starting! Looks like we might finally stick with a winning formula for once.

You know what I'm getting at though

 

[DanielSz]

There’s been other rumors talking about it too, but i specifically remembered this one because i posted it.

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Anyway, there’s quite a few conflicting news regarding that €30M release clause and when it will actually become available, what is confusing is also is that if the price is just €30M i dont understand why there wasn’t an obligation or option to buy already agreed on, just as with the post i quoted regarding Kolo Muani and PSG being open to selling for about €45M, which begs again the question why didn’t we already agree on a option to buy at least, after all we’ve previously agreed an option for more than that on a nobody like Alcaraz…think there’s a few twists yet to see here, and everything points towards both Porto and even more so PSG to potentially look to raise their price if the loans are successful.

His release clause is only valid in the summer for like a couple weeks or something, so the plan was always the summer. Don’t think anything has changed there.

 

[The Quazis]

There’s been other rumors talking about it too, but i specifically remembered this one because i posted it.

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Anyway, there’s quite a few conflicting news regarding that €30M release clause and when it will actually become available, what is confusing is also is that if the price is just €30M i dont understand why there wasn’t an obligation or option to buy already agreed on, just as with the post i quoted regarding Kolo Muani and PSG being open to selling for about €45M, which begs again the question why didn’t we already agree on a option to buy at least, after all we’ve previously agreed an option for more than that on a nobody like Alcaraz…think there’s a few twists yet to see here, and everything points towards both Porto and even more so PSG to potentially look to raise their price if the loans are successful.

One poster explained it reasonably on VS. Loans with options take much more time to negotiate because both clubs and the player need to have everything sorted out for a transaction that is just delayed in time. With a dry loan you basically delay the whole negotiation process for the next window. That's why a dry loan is much easier to do. Obviously it gives an advantage to the selling side in case the player does well but I guess it's their reward for giving the player for free for half a year and taking the risk of a potential serious injury while playing for another club.

 

[Alin]

One poster explained it reasonably on VS. Loans with options take much more time to negotiate because both clubs and the player need to have everything sorted out for a transaction that is just delayed in time. With a dry loan you basically delay the whole negotiation process for the next window. That's why a dry loan is much easier to do. Obviously it gives an advantage to the selling side in case the player does well but I guess it's their reward for giving the player for free for half a year and taking the risk of a potential serious injury while playing for another club.

I agree there’s obviously pro’s and con’s, but in my opinion the negatives outweights the positives by structuring it this way, key being the fact that we couldn’t agree an option or obligation because PSG was already asking more than we were ready to risk for a player that is a total outcast for them, hence why it took until mid January for him to arrive(aside from the bureaucratic issues that delayed it to late January) despite rumors starting way before, then if he does really well here and other suitors show interest the price can only go up, and in recent history we’ve been outbided by Arsenal and West Ham or similar clubs on some key ‘targets’ that seemed all but done so i generally would prefer us to not leave this type of things to ‘chance’ if you know what i mean…

I guess we’ll see how it pans out, hopefully there is indeed a ‘gentlemen’s agreement’ behind the scenes or if not at least the player’s will should play a big part too after all.

 

[The Quazis]

I agree there’s obviously pro’s and con’s, but in my opinion the negatives outweights the positives by structuring it this way, key being the fact that we couldn’t agree an option or obligation because PSG was already asking more than we were ready to risk for a player that is a total outcast for them, hence why it took until mid January for him to arrive(aside from the bureaucratic issues that delayed it to late January) despite rumors starting way before, then if he does really well here and other suitors show interest the price can only go up, and in recent history we’ve been outbided by Arsenal and West Ham or similar clubs on some key ‘targets’ that seemed all but done so i generally would prefer us to not leave this type of things to ‘chance’ if you know what i mean…

I guess we’ll see how it pans out, hopefully there is indeed a ‘gentlemen’s agreement’ behind the scenes or if not at least the player’s will should play a big part too after all.

Probably PSG would agree to insert an option of 60mln. Even if he does really well I don't see it going up much higher. Who knows, maybe it was Kolo who didn't want to commit to Juve? We'll see in the summer. Anyway, I think that a player who managed to reestablish himself during a loan spell is unlikely to be willing to change the environment again in such a short period of time. Unless some crazy offer comes in which cannot be excluded.

 

[Lion]

Lmao everyone arguing about clause this and dry that or how much better he is than dusan in 3 matches.

I just enjoy how dumb you guys are. In a few more matches his attacking spark will be gone just like it left dusan too after a few months. He will just be another body running around back passing and everyone will want him gone

 

[Robee]

There’s been other rumors talking about it too, but i specifically remembered this one because i posted it.

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Anyway, there’s quite a few conflicting news regarding that €30M release clause and when it will actually become available, what is confusing is also is that if the price is just €30M i dont understand why there wasn’t an obligation or option to buy already agreed on, just as with the post i quoted regarding Kolo Muani and PSG being open to selling for about €45M, which begs again the question why didn’t we already agree on a option to buy at least, after all we’ve previously agreed an option for more than that on a nobody like Alcaraz…think there’s a few twists yet to see here, and everything points towards both Porto and even more so PSG to potentially look to raise their price if the loans are successful.

Why would anyone include a buy-option when there effectively already is one at play?
I don't know why but this is either a bad translation; 'year' or 'season' or a very dumb journalistic post...

Kolo Muani is a different matter. We're talking about a 90m striker in January... We're simply lucky to have him now and the rest we'll see imo. PSG probably hasn't made up their mind on him themselves as his book value is still pretty high right now and a capital loss is very probable without another loan this summer. Unless you'd want a 67,5m option?

 

[Alin]

Why would anyone include a buy-option when there effectively already is one at play?
I don't know why but this is either a bad translation; 'year' or 'season' or a very dumb journalistic post...

Kolo Muani is a different matter. We're talking about a 90m striker in January... We're simply lucky to have him now and the rest we'll see imo. PSG probably hasn't made up their mind on him themselves as his book value is still pretty high right now and a capital loss is very probable without another loan this summer. Unless you'd want a 67,5m option?

There’s simply nothing that you can’t find a way around it to somehow justify why it supposedly makes sense is it.

for the consistency though.

 

[Robee]

There’s simply nothing that you can’t find a way around it to somehow justify why it supposedly makes sense is it.

for the consistency though.

I'm only explaining what the rest is ignoring (on purpose) because they need some stuff to shit on. The normal reasoning always ends in here when talking things through decently or when using actual numbers.

Why isn't PSG handing us a 45 mil option on a 90 mil player is kind of what you're asking... The question is; why would they?

And the Conceicao option thing has been explained a million times... If some journo thinks we have 30 mil to burn mid season for a player who's certain to stay 'till at least the end of the season, that's his brain malfunctioning.

 

[Alin]

I'm only explaining what you the rest is obviously ignoring.

And i’ve done much of the same but from a different perspective, the difference is that only you and a very select few others tend to see and sort of paint almost everything we do with bright colors or as some smart choice from our side.

 

[DAiDEViL]

I mean, he's not a €90m player. Not even close. They'll never get back even close to that amount. €45 would be more realistic, but not sure I even wanted us to pay that much...

 

[Alin]

Which is fine don’t get me wrong, we obviously need some positivity and optimism around here too, even if to some it might seem as unwarranted blind trust in the decisions of the club.

 

[U Picciriddu]

I mean, he's not a €90m player. Not even close. They'll never get back even close to that amount. €45 would be more realistic, but not sure I even wanted us to pay that much...

Calculate his book value, thats probably his value for PSG. Same type of reasoning as every other club

 

[Robee]

And i’ve done much of the same but from a different perspective, the difference is that only you and a very select few others tend to see see and paint almost everything we do with bright colors or as some sort of smart choice from our side.

Nope. There's no perspective whatsoever in there. It's basic logic. Again; why would PSG insert an option to sell a 90m player with a loss? And again; why would a peferrential clause be less good than a buy-option?

 

[Alin]

No, that's what you read. There's no perspective whatsoever in there. It's basic logic. Again; why would PSG insert an option to sell a 90m player with a loss?

Why are we looking after players we can’t really afford then! And you keep talking as if in the summer we will have funds but are not taking into account all the options/obligations to buy that we already have schedulled for this next summer, ultimately i guess why don’t we just dry loan everyone from now on seeing as it’s such smart business.

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Just ask yourself this, how much our option/obligation is on Kalulu currently and how much would Milan’s asking price have been next summer after the great season he’s had with us, and apply it to every dry loan too and maybe you’ll see the most relevant point of view here.

 

[Robee]

Calculate his book value, thats probably his value for PSG. Same type of reasoning as every other club

It's 54 million this summer.