Ramadan Kareem!! (25 Viewers)

[Lion]

No.

 

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[Seven]

Religion doesn't change...people do.

Other way around my friend.

I'm going to have to pull a Seven on Seven here, but oh well...

Fasting may not be good for you physically in the short, myopic term... no. But if you live in a society that has had to endure the occasional history of famines, plagues, and a discipline of self-sacrifice, it becomes a lot more rational.
I think there's a bit of ethnocentrism in your rational idea logic here...

Swag, you're not into modern medicine are you? There is simply no physical advantage whatsoever, not even in said societies. The psychological advantages are subjective and therefore cannot count in a rational discussion.

 

[Lion]

Other way around my friend.

Wrong. A Book is not a living being. It stays the same. If a book says "give aid to the poor and hungry", it can't change to kill the poor and hungry. If a person believes that he can change it to that, then that's his problem.

oh and way to dismiss psychological advantages. See this is why you can't argue with an Athiest, they dismiss everything before they even understand.

 

[Yamen]

Seven: have you tried looking up the benefits of Fasting?

 

[Zé Tahir]

I have several muslim friends. It's not about attacking Islam, it's about attacking the radical rituals that are still associated with Islam. It's a normal evolution for a religion to lose the radicalness of these rituals, but as Islam is fairly young you still have them. Fasting as a means of spiritual purifying may have its benefits (even if I wouldn't fast), but doing so as a professional football player jeopardises your performance and to a smaller extent your health.

Look, when it comes to attacking retarded Muslims I can rub shoulders with the best critics. I don't believe there are any radical rituals associated with Islam, but I would agree that there are radical rituals that are associated with some Muslims.

If things like hijab, five daily prayers, avoiding alcohol and pork, fasting, etc. are radical then you're fooling yourself, but if you mean to say that things like Day of Ashura or people like Tahir-ul-Qadri are radical, then you're absolutely right.

@Ze: you see what I mean when I say it's very radical? She isn't even saying "fasting is a must for muslims". She's just saying it's a must, regardless of all other possible conditions. And after that she calls me ignorant, which is the last thing someone who bases his entire argument on faith alone should do.

This is why I tell you to study Islam is on your own and you have to look no further than the Qur'an. If you had you know that that there are several exceptions to fasting. (Same old problem, I don't know why I bother)

Btw, I don't think she meant what you think she meant. I don't think English is her strong point (no offense).

 

[Seven]

Other way around my friend.QUOTE]

Wrong. A Book is not a living being. It stays the same. If a book says "give aid to the poor and hungry", it can't change to kill the poor and hungry. If a person believes that he can change it to that, then that's his problem.

Man...

fine, people change. Doesn't change the bloody argument. If people change they will look at religion differently. 1000 years ago Islam embodied a religion that loved science, today it is the one that opposes the most to modern knowledge. 1000 years ago crusades were acceptable for almost all christians, today no one would agree with them saying they are not something christians do.

Whatever Islam was 1000 years ago, it wasn't what it is today. Failing to accept that is just another ridiculous statement of someone who can only think in dogmas and isn't strong enough to face reality.

 

[Lion]

your arguement is ridiculous.

 

[Seven]

in regard to fasting being good for you, there are some benificial factors, i speak to a lot of professional body builders, and one of whome is muslim, and he told me that when he fasts during ramadan, his body is cleansed out, he finds that although he isn't able to build muscle during that period, it is very useful for cutting up, and that he is at a very ripped stage after, and it is only one month, mentally also, it does give u insight, i mean dawn till dusk, it makes u aware of what it's like to be hungry, and we get to eat at sunset, there are people in the world who dont get do eat for days, it helps to understnad what theyre going through to some extent

when people purely base things on faith, they do it blindly, but sometimes, there are justifications for certain things, and this is backed along with facts.

muslims do not drink alcohol becuase god forbids it right? lets say science had not yet progressed enough to show alcohol has bad effects on the body, would it mean that islam is wrong in saying alcohol is not good for u? now of course science has proven that alocohol (ehtanol) is actually a poison, and fair enough if u have a few glasses here and there its not terrible for u, but the general consensus is that alcohol isnt good, and there are many problems that arise due to its consumption, i think if u go to ur local doctor, or any american or european doctor they will agree

The reason Islam forbids alcohol is that they saw what happened to people who drank a lot. It wasn't scientifically proven, but it was pretty obvious what happened.

Fasting was probably important to save food FFS.

 

[Seven]

your arguement is ridiculous.

You're the one who thinks the world hasn't changed the last 1000 years. You must be scared shitless every day. I don't understand how on earth you're using a computer. They're deamons I tell you!

 

[Lion]

The reason Islam forbids alcohol is that they saw what happened to people who drank a lot. It wasn't scientifically proven, but it was pretty obvious what happened.

Fasting was probably important to save food FFS.

Fasting is done for many reasons:

A) to get a fell of what the poor go through
B) teach you dicipline. When you fast you can't do many things (besides eating and drinking)

It's not like they fasted the whole day. You eat at sun set.

 

[Seven]

Fasting is done for many reasons:

A) to get a fell of what the poor go through
B) teach you dicipline. When you fast you can't do many things (besides eating and drinking)

It's not like they fasted the whole day. You eat at sun set.

If you would accept the ways of the wicked scientist, you would know that that still means they eat less.

 

[Lion]

You're the one who thinks the world hasn't changed the last 1000 years. You must be scared shitless every day. I don't understand how on earth you're using a computer. They're deamons I tell you!

Sticks, and stones will break my bones, but your words shall never hurt me.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I never said the world hasn't changed. I'm not scared every day. But you must be, considering your feelings of insecurtiy about yourself that you feel the need to come out of your way to point a finger at me and people like me. But hey if it makes you feel better then go ahead, mock me

 

[Zé Tahir]

lol the funny thing is that more people lost their lives in this century largely due to two wars that had nothing to do with religion than all the previous wars in history.

More than one caller into NPR's TOTN on Thursday August 5th broadcast on "the afterlife? spoke of the danger of religion and then made the statement: "more people have died in the name of religion than all the wars."

Last year several of you made the same comment so I did some investigating.

In the Twentieth Century over 110 million people died in over 165 wars. None of the wars were a "holy war" or "crusade". Though the name of God was involked by all sides during the great wars. An estimated 10,000 were murdered during the century in the name of religion. An additional 135 million people died in acts of genocide, none in the name of any God. 55 million were acts of "ethnic" cleansing and over 80 million were simple acts of brutal dictators who were indifferent to the plight of their people.

This was only one century out of 55 of recorded centuries. Such statements that religion causes more deaths either proclaims a severe ignorance of history, a willful ignorance of the human nature of greed, or severe bigotry toward religion.

A more difficult question should be how many wars and deaths have been avoided due to religion?

 

[Lion]

If you would accept the ways of the wicked scientist, you would know that that still means they eat less.

Did I displease you, oh all knowing master?

 

[Il Re]

The reason Islam forbids alcohol is that they saw what happened to people who drank a lot. It wasn't scientifically proven, but it was pretty obvious what happened.

Fasting was probably important to save food FFS.

the thing is seven, i really suggest you look into it further, there is so much in islam that is there, and scientifically it really makes sense, to say fasting was only important to save food, well that's pretty fallable, i mean i still eat as much as i would in a normal day yet it's just spread out differently, if they wanted it to save food, there would have been a much better way to go about it, honestly though, anyway, that's jsut my opinion, i used to be the shittest muslim, would drink, not pray, not fast much, sleep with women for fun, but when i researched more, and really looked into islam properly, i found some really amazing things, both spiritually and scientific

 

[ReBeL]

Beh, it's not even a good religion.

I think it's a poor religion because it is a religion that is very easy for people who like to be intolerant towards others. And personally I think the story it tells isn't that great.

Seven, sorry, but your hatred for Islam just can't do you any good. It just shows that you want to oppose anything that has anything to do with Islam regardless how logical or illogical it is.

I can advise you to read more without having an initial judgement on the religion.

 

[Seven]

lol the funny thing is that more people lost their lives in this century largely due to two wars that had nothing to do with religion than all the previous wars in history.

Yes, the Holocaust had nothing to do with religion.

That's a smart statement, Ze.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Man...

fine, people change. Doesn't change the bloody argument. If people change they will look at religion differently. 1000 years ago Islam embodied a religion that loved science, today it is the one that opposes the most to modern knowledge. 1000 years ago crusades were acceptable for almost all christians, today no one would agree with them saying they are not something christians do.

Whatever Islam was 1000 years ago, it wasn't what it is today. Failing to accept that is just another ridiculous statement of someone who can only think in dogmas and isn't strong enough to face reality.

How the hell does Islam oppose modern science?

The reason Islam forbids alcohol is that they saw what happened to people who drank a lot. It wasn't scientifically proven, but it was pretty obvious what happened.

Fasting was probably important to save food FFS.

To save food? How the hell would this be a food-saving scheme if one of the things we do during this month is to give food to the needy! And not just on Eid, but every single night! This is how freaking clueless you are.

Let's stop everyone. There's no point in discussing something with people that refuse to educate themselves.

 

[Yamen]

Word!

 

[Ahmed]

btw the more you talk about this the more you show how ignorant you are about this subject matter and islam as a religion, but then again going on a soccer forum to hate on islam tells the whole story

BOOM! We have another winner...

Here's a question, why is it when Athiests want to make a point againt religion they scream and demand attention, and try to sway and twist anything and everything to get their points across, and if people who beleive in religion don't give them attention they are called ignorant nuts. But when a person who follows a religion tries to make a point to an Athiest, he's dismissed, and ridiculed before he even has a chance to make his point across?

because they're "rebels"