Ramadan Kareem!! (13 Viewers)

[Seven]

You're arguing alcoholism against a daylight fast. The two aren't even close. Pick another analogy.

Or wait. If you're Ranieri and you know Momo is an alchy, do you play him?

I don't know if you mean to but you come off like you're just mad at religion.

Think of it from Momo's point of view. If Sissoko doesn't fast, in his public position, he'll be a "bad muslim" and looked down upon by the muslim community. But at the same time he can still be about 75-80% on the pitch and probably better during night games. No contest. He's going to play.

Professional or unprofessional is a dumb accusation. Just cause someone practices a religion doesn't make him unprofessional. This was never a problem when he was at Pool, we had depth. You guys have plenty of depth to handle the mid table down in Serie A, Ranieri should know better and on "big match" days have him take a travel break.

The point is that the outcome is the same: his body is being damaged. If his contract determines that he should take proper care of himself, he shouldn't fast. I understand his motives and it's a fine line, but if he really wants to do this for his religion I'm sure there are other ways.

 

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[Yamen]

You're arguing alcoholism against a daylight fast. The two aren't even close. Pick another analogy.

Or wait. If you're Ranieri and you know Momo is an alchy, do you play him?

I don't know if you mean to but you come off like you're just mad at religion.

Think of it from Momo's point of view. If Sissoko doesn't fast, in his public position, he'll be a "bad muslim" and looked down upon by the muslim community. But at the same time he can still be about 75-80% on the pitch and probably better during night games. No contest. He's going to play.

Professional or unprofessional is a dumb accusation. Just cause someone practices a religion doesn't make him unprofessional. This was never a problem when he was at Pool, we had depth. You guys have plenty of depth to handle the mid table down in Serie A, Ranieri should know better and on "big match" days have him take a travel break.

...'nough Said..

 

[Lion]

and as regards to fasting affecting his performance..duh! one of the points of fasting is to feel the fatigue and hunger of poor people. Of course it's going to affect him, as for you saying he should stop, then no he shouldn't. Companies allow you to practice your religion. That's what freedom is called. It's not like he doing to every day of the year. He is doing it for one month, and during night matches he should be okay. So to all those who say he should stop, how about you stop and respect another person's religion intead of trying to find fault at every corner?

 

[Seven]

No need to be a prick. Many cultures fast before battle. As a historian you know that.

Yes they do, but christians aren't using it as an argument to say that fasting is a-okay for a professional athlete.

 

[Yamen]

The point is that the outcome is the same: his body is being damaged. If his contract determines that he should take proper care of himself, he shouldn't fast. I understand his motives and it's a fine line, but if he really wants to do this for his religion I'm sure there are other ways.

There sure are. And he sure can make-up for it. It is only a matter of choice and only him can judge about his performance when on a state of fast.

 

[Seven]

I dont know Seven, maybe because they needed to survive?

and as regards to fasting affecting his performance..duh! one of the points of fasting is to feel the fatigue and hunger of poor people. Of course it's going to affect him, as for you saying he should stop, then no he shouldn't. Companies allow you to practice your religion. That's what freedom is called. It's not like he doing to every day of the year. He is doing it for one month, and during night matches he should be okay. So to all those who say he should stop, how about you stop and respect another person's religion intead of trying to find fault at every corner?

Back in the day they understood Islam better and were fighting for a just cause is what was said. Think it through please.

 

[bianconero]

The Christians were just defending their Borders and it was their sacred right to defend the holy land.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I think it is unprofessional to fast while not explaining to the manager that you're not 100% due to your religion. If Sissoko is indeed fasting and has not told Ranieri that he's not 100%, that is wrong in my opinion. As Andries has said already, one could relate this to a player who is taking some drug that is hindering his performance. Players that are indulging in cocaine or some other illegal substance will feel the effects out on the pitch, just like somebody who isn't eating in a healthy fashion over time. Some of the implications of both situations are the same; the player isn't 100% due to decisions in his control.

Isn't this what you call breaching a contract? Either way, I find it unprofessional behavior if he isn't being forthright with what is possibly impeding his performances.

The club would have or at least should have (you can't make too much assumptions with our lot ) known Momo is a Muslim when he signed. Who says he didn't inform them that he would be fasting during Ramadan, and that there isn't a clause in his contract respecting that. Remember, Ranieri was his manager at Valencia too.

 

[Lion]

Back in the day they understood Islam better and were fighting for a just cause is what was said. Think it through please.

your the one who needs to think it through, as your the one who is mocking the religion being called a religion of peace.

 

[Enron]

The point is that the outcome is the same: his body is being damaged. If his contract determines that he should take proper care of himself, he shouldn't fast. I understand his motives and it's a fine line, but if he really wants to do this for his religion I'm sure there are other ways.

As much as I know about Islam there really isn't "another way" to go about Ramadan. It's either you fast or you don't. In many cultures religion and family take precedence over profession. That may seem odd to you or me but that's hardly a reason to bash someone. Just be glad Juve doesn't have an entire team of players that practice Islam.

 

[Enron]

Yes they do, but christians aren't using it as an argument to say that fasting is a-okay for a professional athlete.

What Christian holiday asks it's followers to fast? Don't most Christian holidays encourage the opposite?

 

[Enron]

The Christians were just defending their Borders and it was their sacred right to defend the holy land.

Yeah the Papal states were really in danger of being over run but the Saracens.

 

[Ahmed]

What Christian holiday asks it's followers to fast? Don't most Christian holidays encourage the opposite?

don't they fast during Lent?

 

[Lion]

According to Seven, workers need to be treated like slaves, work work work 24/7 don't get any breaks. If you're a woman, no maternity leave if you get pregnant, if you're a Muslim, don't practice your faith! if you're Christian, no Christmas holiday for you!!! evil Religions!!!!!!

 

[Enron]

I think it is unprofessional to fast while not explaining to the manager that you're not 100% due to your religion. If Sissoko is indeed fasting and has not told Ranieri that he's not 100%, that is wrong in my opinion. As Andries has said already, one could relate this to a player who is taking some drug that is hindering his performance. Players that are indulging in cocaine or some other illegal substance will feel the effects out on the pitch, just like somebody who isn't eating in a healthy fashion over time. Some of the implications of both situations are the same; the player isn't 100% due to decisions in his control.

Isn't this what you call breaching a contract? Either way, I find it unprofessional behavior if he isn't being forthright with what is possibly impeding his performances.

Wait a minute. No one is even 100% Momo is actually fasting? The same way no one knows whether fasting or body maintenance is stipulated in his contract?

Oh hush up you guys.

 

[Enron]

don't they fast during Lent?

No they give up something.

 

[Ahmed]

exactly, nobody knows for a fact if Momo was in fact fasting or not

 

[Lion]

after all expressing one's a religion should not be allowed. That's what Seven is hinting at.


To all you people who want him to stop fasting (if he actually is). Think about this for a while. He is fasting as part of practicing his faith. His faith being a spiritual bond between him and God. If you tell him to stop that bond with God, don't you idiots know that would affect him mentally worse than any fasting would?

 

[Zé Tahir]

As much as I know about Islam there really isn't "another way" to go about Ramadan. It's either you fast or you don't. In many cultures religion and family take precedence over profession. That may seem odd to you or me but that's hardly a reason to bash someone. Just be glad Juve doesn't have an entire team of players that practice Islam.

What does that mean, "either you fast or you don't"?

Sissoko's career requires extreme (or more than usual) physical fitness and so he doesn't have to fast because it could cause him harm (the possibility is always there). He can make up for missing fasting during this month in June or July when he's off or by giving food to the needy.

 

[Ahmed]

you don't have to fast when you're traveling or ill either