Prophet Muhammad ( may Allah exalt him and grant him peace) mentioned in the Bible (10 Viewers)

[IrishZebra]

Thats an interesting point, many poor Muslims have a way of life that has existed for hundreds of years and maybe they fear the change and threat to traditional culture that globalization brings, and they blame America since we are the posterboys of globalization

Many people don't even know what Globalisation is, they mistake Americanisation for it.

 

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[Alen]

I think only a person that has gone through that experience (conversion of faith) could answer that for you Al

So your answer to my question is "I don't know"?

If it is, then it's a very good answer.
I'm satisfied

 

[Martin]

Nazism and Communism aside, I feel it is unfair to blame religion even for many religious conflicts. The differences in culture and race have created a distrust between the muslim and western worlds and I think it is largely ignorance that is responsible for these hostile feelings. If you take religion out of the equation they would simply find another reason to hate us and to justify terrorist attacks now I know that many of the guys who are carrying bombs into buildings and giving their lives for the cause may be motivated by religious devotion but the leaders of these groups have their own motivations and exploit the religious faith of others to use them as pawns. People find reasons to hate each other and start wars when there are none, if religion was non existent in this world we would still be fighting and killing each other over cultural and racial differences

Agree, more or less.

However, you left out one crucial fact. Tell me this: who creates a divide between "us" and "them"? Do you know the answer? Religion does. Religion says "you can be a member of our group, but only if you renounce the other group you belong to". Religion creates divides where none exist. Of course this all gets mixed up and conflated with culture and heritage, but nevertheless religion DIVIDES. It creates the pretext upon which later fanatics can wage war on "the infidels".

Tell me this. If we were to introduce a dividing line, right this instant, which applies in the whole world, between people who are either taller than 1.80m or shorter than 1.80m. We would give them different clothes based on which group they belong to. We would teach them different stories, different songs, different history. Do you think this would be a good idea?

 

[Ford Prefect]

Thats an interesting point, many poor Muslims have a way of life that has existed for hundreds of years and maybe they fear the change and threat to traditional culture that globalization brings, and they blame America since we are the posterboys of globalization

You are the posterboys from Americanisation, thats different to Globalisation. Globalisation threatens the traditional way of life in Asia and unlike Europe, they have a control over how much they let in. When something threatens a deepset traditional way of live, the usual reaction is agression to defend what you know from the unknown....which handily leads back into religion.

 

[IrishZebra]

You are the posterboys from Americanisation, thats different to Globalisation. Globalisation threatens the traditional way of life in Asia and unlike Europe, they have a control over how much they let in. When something threatens a deepset traditional way of live, the usual reaction is agression to defend what you know from the unknown....which handily leads back into religion.

Beat you to it

 

[X Æ A-12]

Many people don't even know what Globalisation is, they mistake Americanisation for it.

Yes, I think the term globalization is supposed to define the economic practice while Americanization is a spread of culture and consumerism

 

[Martin]

even the most noble ideal can be corrupted when in the hands of treacherous human beings, Mart.

I know, but that's my point. If we should excuse religion on this principle of "presumed innocence" then we should damn well excuse every single other ideology or philosophy too, yes? Because there is no better evidence that Hitler was affected by Nazism than to say that Bin Laden was affected by Islam. Noone has examined their thoughts. If you claim that one's motives were not what he said they were, you might as well say that about anyone.

 

[Ahmed]

I went from Catholic to Atheist if that counts.

I'm not sure if it counts.

So your answer to my question is "I don't know"?

If it is, then it's a very good answer.
I'm satisfied

lol, there you go then. It would be really foolish of me to claim a definitive answer to that.

 

[IrishZebra]

Yes, I think the term globalization is supposed to define the economic practice while Americanization is a spread of culture and consumerism

Nah nah it applies to culture AND economics, it's the homogenisation of world people Economically Socially and Politically.

We've got ourselves a good 'un here

 

[Ford Prefect]

Globalization has many different definitions, as does Americanization.

I find it easier to view Globalization as bring the world closer together through sociological, economy and political means. That definition covers all the bases without getting too specific.

 

[Ford Prefect]

Nah nah it applies to culture AND economics, it's the homogenisation of world people Economically Socially and Politically.

We've got ourselves a good 'un here

Dude you are breaking my balls

 

[IrishZebra]

Globalization has many different definitions, as does Americanization.

I find it easier to view Globalization as bring the world closer together through sociological, economy and political means. That definition covers all the bases without getting too specific.

Beat you to it yet again

This disciplin aint big enough for the two of us

 

[bianconero]

First of all, we have no idea whether it is or it isn't.

But let's suppose it isn't, then what? So then communism isn't the reason why Mao and Stalin caused the killing of millions of people, and Nazism shouldn't be blamed for Hitler's politics either, right? In fact the basic philosophies of Communism and Nazism should not be blamed for this. Somehow it doesn't work like that, does it.

Nazism is a creed of supremercy and hatred against races. Communism not so, therefore not on that basis equatable.

Religeons, on the other hand, often call for hatred and supremercy of their own particular deity, and, ipso facto, chosen people.

 

[IrishZebra]

National Socialism is a political theory...

 

[Ford Prefect]

National Socialism is a political theory...

i think i may just give up.

 

[Martin]

Nazism is a creed of supremercy and hatred against races. Communism not so, therefore not on that basis equatable.

Religeons, on the other hand, often call for hatred and supremercy of their own particular deity, and, ipso facto, chosen people.

This is completely irrelevant. Religion is not a matter of a clear definition where someone has to pass an exam to say they believe in the very specific creeds and nothing else. It's completely a matter of interpretation.

It's pointless to claim that Nazism is a creed of supremacy and religion isn't. Only in the eyes of the actual beholder does this distinction materialize or not. About which we know nothing.

 

[IrishZebra]

i think i may just give up.

Soulmate

 

[Snoop]

Serious question...

Do you, or any other Muslim, think that you'd have been as religious (Muslim) if you were born in, say, Iceland with atheist parents, or Uruguay with Catholic parents?
The same question for the Christians. Do you think that you'd have been devoted Christians by now if you were born to Muslim parents in Yemen?

And I mean, if you were in Iceland and you somehow got to read the Quran or in Yemen and you got to read the bible.

I am not religious and i consider myself open minded, but if i ask myself the question if i'd have been an atheist if i was born in the mid ages to an ortodox Christian family in Byzantine or if i was born 30 years ago to a Muslim family in Saudi Arabia, my answer is "I don't know, probably not ".
I read both the Bible and the Quran and nothing's changed. Quite the contrary with the bible. It even made me more sure about my beliefs.

Do you guys, the religious ones, think that it's the surrounding, the culture that plays the main role in being religious or not or it's something else, much more stronger than that?

Very good question, and just like Burke said, we know what they will answer..

Religious people are so funny, Christians believe the bible is the right book, Muslims believe the same about Quraan, Jews about theirs etc.. Seriously, this is a nice comedy, and the funny thing is that that imaginary Allah is sitting there, and watching everyone (billions) to believe the wrong book, since there should be only one right book.

 

[Ford Prefect]

This is completely irrelevant. Religion is not a matter of a clear definition where someone has to pass an exam to say they believe in the very specific creeds and nothing else. It's completely a matter of interpretation.

It's pointless to claim that Nazism is a creed of supremacy and religion isn't. Only in the eyes of the actual beholder does this distinction materialize or not. About which we know nothing.

Thats where the problems comes in, religion is its purest sense, is something completely inocent, its the feeling of protection when you die. But the problem is, all the religions (other than budism) ARE THE ONLY RIGHT ONES AND EVERYONE ELSE MUST CONVERT OR THEY WILL GO TO HELL. And from there you get it insane come in...Saladin, Richard the Lionheart etc.etc.etc.People who will fight and die for their interpretation of something that should be so pure.

Soulmate

I think i beat you too it on this one.

 

[IrishZebra]

Saladin was not an extremist, he was a genuinely good ruler who apllied his faith in a fair way.