Prophet Muhammad ( may Allah exalt him and grant him peace) mentioned in the Bible (8 Viewers)
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riiiight...call the FBI and Homeland Security on me then
First of all, we have no idea whether it is or it isn't.
But let's suppose it isn't, then what? So then communism isn't the reason why Mao and Stalin caused the killing of millions of people, and Nazism shouldn't be blamed for Hitler's politics either, right? In fact the basic philosophies of Communism and Nazism should not be blamed for this. Somehow it doesn't work like that, does it.
But let's suppose it isn't, then what? So then communism isn't the reason why Mao and Stalin caused the killing of millions of people, and Nazism shouldn't be blamed for Hitler's politics either, right? In fact the basic philosophies of Communism and Nazism should not be blamed for this. Somehow it doesn't work like that, does it.
Look, im not going to get anywhere in this debate so i think im going to give up. The reason i said that being a part of a faith makes you accountable is because....Without the massive followings that religions have, none of this stuff would happen, because no one would support it, its only because people feel supported that they do it. Of course people are insane and can be attributed to a faith when they are just insane, but that would happen in a world without religion. You are welcome to disagree with me, but i cant be bothered to talk about it, getting craxy nicotine withdrawal pangs.
In the name of Allah (name of Allah)
We be blowin' up ya street (blowing up your street)
In the valley of doom (valley of doom)
The crater's so deep (crater's so deep)
We all bomb your oceans (bomb your oceans)
When we bomb we cream (bomb we cream)
We all carry Allah (carry Allah)
By the weight of our TNT (our TNT)
In the name of Allaaaaaaaaah
We be blowin' up ya street (blowing up your street)
In the valley of doom (valley of doom)
The crater's so deep (crater's so deep)
We all bomb your oceans (bomb your oceans)
When we bomb we cream (bomb we cream)
We all carry Allah (carry Allah)
By the weight of our TNT (our TNT)
In the name of Allaaaaaaaaah
Serious question...
Do you, or any other Muslim, think that you'd have been as religious (Muslim) if you were born in, say, Iceland with atheist parents, or Uruguay with Catholic parents?
The same question for the Christians. Do you think that you'd have been devoted Christians by now if you were born to Muslim parents in Yemen?
And I mean, if you were in Iceland and you somehow got to read the Quran or in Yemen and you got to read the bible.
I am not religious and i consider myself open minded, but if i ask myself the question if i'd have been an atheist if i was born in the mid ages to an ortodox Christian family in Byzantine or if i was born 30 years ago to a Muslim family in Saudi Arabia, my answer is "I don't know, probably not ".
I read both the Bible and the Quran and nothing's changed. Quite the contrary with the bible. It even made me more sure about my beliefs.
Do you guys, the religious ones, think that it's the surrounding, the culture that plays the main role in being religious or not or it's something else, much more stronger than that?
Do you, or any other Muslim, think that you'd have been as religious (Muslim) if you were born in, say, Iceland with atheist parents, or Uruguay with Catholic parents?
The same question for the Christians. Do you think that you'd have been devoted Christians by now if you were born to Muslim parents in Yemen?
And I mean, if you were in Iceland and you somehow got to read the Quran or in Yemen and you got to read the bible.
I am not religious and i consider myself open minded, but if i ask myself the question if i'd have been an atheist if i was born in the mid ages to an ortodox Christian family in Byzantine or if i was born 30 years ago to a Muslim family in Saudi Arabia, my answer is "I don't know, probably not ".
I read both the Bible and the Quran and nothing's changed. Quite the contrary with the bible. It even made me more sure about my beliefs.
Do you guys, the religious ones, think that it's the surrounding, the culture that plays the main role in being religious or not or it's something else, much more stronger than that?
I dont think thats what im saying, i don't feel that people are accountable in the same way, they dont have blood on there hands in that way, but to be a member of the faith is to an allower for that happen. Im not targeting muslims in this, i think christians are the greatest evil this plannet has ever known, and they have far more blood on their hands.
Nazism and Communism aside, I feel it is unfair to blame religion even for many religious conflicts. The differences in culture and race have created a distrust between the muslim and western worlds and I think it is largely ignorance that is responsible for these hostile feelings. If you take religion out of the equation they would simply find another reason to hate us and to justify terrorist attacks now I know that many of the guys who are carrying bombs into buildings and giving their lives for the cause may be motivated by religious devotion but the leaders of these groups have their own motivations and exploit the religious faith of others to use them as pawns. People find reasons to hate each other and start wars when there are none, if religion was non existent in this world we would still be fighting and killing each other over cultural and racial differences
Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one – Richard Dawkins
I generally view agression from the middle eastern states/non state actors as a display of fear of globalisation.
Im the treasurer for the Reason and Atheist Society at Aberystwyth. We met the Methodist Vicar in town who was interested in doing some debates with us etc. He read the God Delusion as part of a book club at his old church and hes still a vicar. I think for the deeply religious, its very easy to treat athiesm, the same way atheism treats them.
Im the treasurer for the Reason and Atheist Society at Aberystwyth. We met the Methodist Vicar in town who was interested in doing some debates with us etc. He read the God Delusion as part of a book club at his old church and hes still a vicar. I think for the deeply religious, its very easy to treat athiesm, the same way atheism treats them.
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