Primavera & Allievi 2014-15 (3 Viewers)
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So what about this guy? He's 17.
So what about this guy? He's 17.
All the 1997 and 1998 players who are still around, plus any new ones who come in before the window closes.
Recent team who played Chieri (3-3):
(4-2-3-1): Vitali; Lirola, Romagna, Severin, Zappa; Pellini, Muratore; Cassata, Kastanos, Udoh; Favilli
VS say this:
GK) Emil Audero (1997)
GK) Mattia Del Favero (1998)
GK) Leonardo Vitali (1998)
DC) Giulio Parodi (1997)
DC) Stefano Pellizzari (1997)
DC) Filippo Romagna (1997)
DC) Yoan Severin (1997)
DC) Alessandro Vogliacco (1998)
DR) Pol Lirola (1997)
DR) Claudio Zappa (1997)
DL) Pietro Beruatto (1998)
DL) Luca Coccolo (1998)
DM) Stefano Pellini (1997)
CM) Gabriele Bove (1998)
CM) Simone Muratore (1998)
CM) Mattia Vitale (1997)
RM) Roman Macek (1997)
AM) Alessandro Eleuteri (1998)
AM) Grigoris Kastanos (1998)
RW) Francesco Cassata (1997)
TQ) Luca Clemenza (1997)
TQ) Fabio Morselli (1998)
RF) King Udoh (1997)
RF) Guido Vadalá (1997)
CF) Davide Arras (1998)
CF) Andrea Favilli (1997)
CF) Nicolò Pozzebon (1997)
Too old/out of favour who are yet to be loaned/sold:
Carlos Moreno Blanco
Niccolò Guiducci
Ahmed Rassoul Gueye
Lorenzo Granatiero
Alberto Ruossos
Vykintas Slivka
Vajebah Sakor
Hector Otin Lafuente
Younes Bnou Marzouk
Sergio Buenacasa
Filipe and Andrija Filipović were on loan and sent back.
There are also a few other kids on our books who spent last season on loan to youth teams elsewhere.
I'll do a new thread for next season once it arrives on the official site.
Recent team who played Chieri (3-3):
(4-2-3-1): Vitali; Lirola, Romagna, Severin, Zappa; Pellini, Muratore; Cassata, Kastanos, Udoh; Favilli
VS say this:
GK) Emil Audero (1997)
GK) Mattia Del Favero (1998)
GK) Leonardo Vitali (1998)
DC) Giulio Parodi (1997)
DC) Stefano Pellizzari (1997)
DC) Filippo Romagna (1997)
DC) Yoan Severin (1997)
DC) Alessandro Vogliacco (1998)
DR) Pol Lirola (1997)
DR) Claudio Zappa (1997)
DL) Pietro Beruatto (1998)
DL) Luca Coccolo (1998)
DM) Stefano Pellini (1997)
CM) Gabriele Bove (1998)
CM) Simone Muratore (1998)
CM) Mattia Vitale (1997)
RM) Roman Macek (1997)
AM) Alessandro Eleuteri (1998)
AM) Grigoris Kastanos (1998)
RW) Francesco Cassata (1997)
TQ) Luca Clemenza (1997)
TQ) Fabio Morselli (1998)
RF) King Udoh (1997)
RF) Guido Vadalá (1997)
CF) Davide Arras (1998)
CF) Andrea Favilli (1997)
CF) Nicolò Pozzebon (1997)
Too old/out of favour who are yet to be loaned/sold:
Carlos Moreno Blanco
Niccolò Guiducci
Ahmed Rassoul Gueye
Lorenzo Granatiero
Alberto Ruossos
Vykintas Slivka
Vajebah Sakor
Hector Otin Lafuente
Younes Bnou Marzouk
Sergio Buenacasa
Filipe and Andrija Filipović were on loan and sent back.
There are also a few other kids on our books who spent last season on loan to youth teams elsewhere.
I'll do a new thread for next season once it arrives on the official site.
So Vadala will officially play with primavera I see. Btw any reason why Romagna isnt in our pre-season selection so far? Thats alot of new inclusions, but who of them from Berretti level are the more promising names?This season they are not signing piles of young foreigners to the allievi and primavera, since results have been mediocre since the start of this policy with Paratici (from 2011 on). Foreigners weren't that good or didn't adapt, but the fact is they didn't develop at all.
Now apparently they will focus on the Italians, moving up the best of the allievi and keeping some who were already with primavera.
Good move IMO. It lacked stability. They changed the team a lot every season and made crowded squads with 30/35 players. No one could develop on that mess.
That's why they decided to keep Grosso. But that looks like a mistake, since he's a rookie manager who failed to provide tactic stability to the team last year.
Also Juve's policy is to use very young kids on the primavera - mostly 17 yr old kids, while the majority of other clubs use 18/19 yr old kids. This makes a huge difference. Torino won the national primavera league last year in big part because of this - using 19 yr old guys.
At Juve, when they are 19 it's time to loan them out.
It will be interesting to see what will they do with the likes of Buenacasa, Marzouk, Donis (was loaned out to Sassuolo last year, hard to see him getting minutes this year), Sarkor. All talented foreigners who didn't develop on the mess that was the primavera team and now will be loaned.
About the primavera team, midfield and attack are clearly talented. But defense was beyond horrible last year, a lot of problems with CBs and fullbacks. They were pretty damn bad. If there is to be some improvement on the team, it will have to start from defense.
Main prospects still are:
Audero - GK
Del Favero - GK - came from allievi and is a starter at Italy U17 or U16
Romagna - CB - despite his horrible 14-15 season;
Lirola - RB - came from Espanyol, part of Spain U19 setup, was one of the best players of the national team;
Vitale - CM
Macek -CM/RM
Kastanos - AM
Clemenza
Vadala
Now apparently they will focus on the Italians, moving up the best of the allievi and keeping some who were already with primavera.
Good move IMO. It lacked stability. They changed the team a lot every season and made crowded squads with 30/35 players. No one could develop on that mess.
That's why they decided to keep Grosso. But that looks like a mistake, since he's a rookie manager who failed to provide tactic stability to the team last year.
Also Juve's policy is to use very young kids on the primavera - mostly 17 yr old kids, while the majority of other clubs use 18/19 yr old kids. This makes a huge difference. Torino won the national primavera league last year in big part because of this - using 19 yr old guys.
At Juve, when they are 19 it's time to loan them out.
It will be interesting to see what will they do with the likes of Buenacasa, Marzouk, Donis (was loaned out to Sassuolo last year, hard to see him getting minutes this year), Sarkor. All talented foreigners who didn't develop on the mess that was the primavera team and now will be loaned.
About the primavera team, midfield and attack are clearly talented. But defense was beyond horrible last year, a lot of problems with CBs and fullbacks. They were pretty damn bad. If there is to be some improvement on the team, it will have to start from defense.
Main prospects still are:
Audero - GK
Del Favero - GK - came from allievi and is a starter at Italy U17 or U16
Romagna - CB - despite his horrible 14-15 season;
Lirola - RB - came from Espanyol, part of Spain U19 setup, was one of the best players of the national team;
Vitale - CM
Macek -CM/RM
Kastanos - AM
Clemenza
Vadala
Both Del Favero and Vitali are very good prospects, but then Audero also is and is older, so if Audero doesn't go on loan (Lega Pro?) he will rotate with the others. Of course this sort of thing affects results somewhat, the constant rotation of players, but for now there is a fairly clear XI, along the lines of:
@PedroFlu - I'd take Kastanos out of your most promising list for this season and add Zappa, the Cypriot is a little inconsistent and quiet. I'd also add Cassata.
Arras is also promising but he's 90% going to Cagliari on loan with their Primavera.
Audero
Lirola - Romagna - Severin - Zappa
-------------(Parodi)
Muratore - Vitale
Vadalà - Clemenza - Cassata
(Macek)------------------------
Favilli
Lirola - Romagna - Severin - Zappa
-------------(Parodi)
Muratore - Vitale
Vadalà - Clemenza - Cassata
(Macek)------------------------
Favilli
@PedroFlu - I'd take Kastanos out of your most promising list for this season and add Zappa, the Cypriot is a little inconsistent and quiet. I'd also add Cassata.
Arras is also promising but he's 90% going to Cagliari on loan with their Primavera.
Agreed. Udoh should have the starting spot over Cassata though, and Macek will rotate as a CM. along with Pellini.
Zappa is highly regarded, never seen him play, he arrived midseason along with Cassata and Favilli. Favilli, by the way, is seen as a very ordinary player.
I'm not sure about that defense though.
Word is that Milan's allievi/primavera is really great. Inter has the best foreigners in Italy, Roma the best Italians, Lazio and Fiorentina are very good too.
We seem to be in worse fashion if compared to these clubs, when it comes to Primavera. But should do better than last year, that was kind of disastrous. Let's see.
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Actually I think Coccolo started most games as a LB.
Zappa is highly regarded, never seen him play, he arrived midseason along with Cassata and Favilli. Favilli, by the way, is seen as a very ordinary player.
I'm not sure about that defense though.
Word is that Milan's allievi/primavera is really great. Inter has the best foreigners in Italy, Roma the best Italians, Lazio and Fiorentina are very good too.
We seem to be in worse fashion if compared to these clubs, when it comes to Primavera. But should do better than last year, that was kind of disastrous. Let's see.
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Actually I think Coccolo started most games as a LB.
Zappa was definitely the go-to left back for last season, he came in the later window, we have basically transformed him like Zambrotta. He and Lirola look very good overlapping.
I just think that Cassata is more talented and useful to come inside from the left. Both are RW players but Udoh is more of an athlete and likes running the channel. Vadalà will be first choice for sure in that right wing forward position.
Macek really is better in a midfield 3 or 4, more of a Beckham than a Pirlo, but he's versatile.
I just think that Cassata is more talented and useful to come inside from the left. Both are RW players but Udoh is more of an athlete and likes running the channel. Vadalà will be first choice for sure in that right wing forward position.
Macek really is better in a midfield 3 or 4, more of a Beckham than a Pirlo, but he's versatile.
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