Tommasi is a one season wonder, Zanetti hasn't impressed me since the European U-21 tournament in 2000, which we won. Our central midfielders aren't great.
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Yep it looks the official formation... it do not look to bad also to me.
Ther's just one thing I do not understand of Trapattoni. Till he have been Italy coach he was a 4-4-2 beliver, than to make happy the press or who ever he changed putting Totti behind 2 fowards, than Pirlo behind the mieldfield and now also the 4-2-3-1... to me he looks like a person who do not have a clue about what to do so just try everything.
But actually this formation can go in to the field like a 4-2-3-1 and than become a 4-4-2 exately like it happened in the match vs Portugal.
Buffon
Panucci-Nesta-Cannavaro-Zambrotta
Camoranesi-Perrotta-Zanetti-Del Vecchio
Totti-Vieri
Anycase I do not have anything s 4-4-2 (the NT did the few recent good match with this module) and I agree that you can't value the attakking fare of a team with the number of fowards in the field, is just that Trapattoni looks like to be too scare of every team and do not mind which formation go to the field, it always end with everybody in the defence and long passing hoping in Vieri goal
This time both Vieri and Totti are present, so Trapattoni will not have anymore the exuse of their absence to justify himself in case we won't win, like he did after the matches vs Yugoslavia and Galles, saying that the team played well and with them we wuold surely score and win.
Anycase I guess a team like Italy schould not be worry 4 a match vs Finland (and with no Litmanen), but with this NT everybody looks like a "nighmere".
Ther's just one thing I do not understand of Trapattoni. Till he have been Italy coach he was a 4-4-2 beliver, than to make happy the press or who ever he changed putting Totti behind 2 fowards, than Pirlo behind the mieldfield and now also the 4-2-3-1... to me he looks like a person who do not have a clue about what to do so just try everything.
But actually this formation can go in to the field like a 4-2-3-1 and than become a 4-4-2 exately like it happened in the match vs Portugal.
Buffon
Panucci-Nesta-Cannavaro-Zambrotta
Camoranesi-Perrotta-Zanetti-Del Vecchio
Totti-Vieri
Anycase I do not have anything s 4-4-2 (the NT did the few recent good match with this module) and I agree that you can't value the attakking fare of a team with the number of fowards in the field, is just that Trapattoni looks like to be too scare of every team and do not mind which formation go to the field, it always end with everybody in the defence and long passing hoping in Vieri goal
This time both Vieri and Totti are present, so Trapattoni will not have anymore the exuse of their absence to justify himself in case we won't win, like he did after the matches vs Yugoslavia and Galles, saying that the team played well and with them we wuold surely score and win.
Anycase I guess a team like Italy schould not be worry 4 a match vs Finland (and with no Litmanen), but with this NT everybody looks like a "nighmere".
Giovanni Trapattoni is again expected to employ 4-2-3-1 tactics for Italy’s crucial qualifier against Finland on Saturday.
The Azzurri adopted the system, used by Real Madrid and Juventus recently, with some success in last month’s 1-0 win over Portugal and Trap is set to stick with the ploy.
The 20-man squad today completed their last training session at Florence’s Coverciano training base before they fly out to Palermo on Friday morning.
Trap has no selection worries after Alessandro Nesta recovered from the flu, while both Fabio Cannavaro and Francesco Totti shrugged off minor problems.
Gianluigi Buffon is set to start in goal, protected by a back four consisting of Christian Panucci, Cannavaro, Nesta and Gianluca Zambrotta.
Cristiano Zanetti and Simone Perrotta should start in the midfield, with Mauro Camoranesi, Totti and Marco Delvecchio all aiding lone striker Christian Vieri.
The national side are desperate for maximum points after a sluggish start to their European Championship campaign.
So far they have collected just four points from three games after a home draw against Yugoslavia and a demoralising 2-1 defeat in Wales.
Italy probable: Buffon; Panucci, Nesta, Cannavaro, Zambrotta; Zanetti, Perrotta; Camoranesi, Totti, Delvecchio; Vieri
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Imo the lineup looks about as good as one could expect it to look with the squad that was called up, but personally I would rather see Tacchinardi and Ambrosini behind the three supportive midfielders.
The Azzurri adopted the system, used by Real Madrid and Juventus recently, with some success in last month’s 1-0 win over Portugal and Trap is set to stick with the ploy.
The 20-man squad today completed their last training session at Florence’s Coverciano training base before they fly out to Palermo on Friday morning.
Trap has no selection worries after Alessandro Nesta recovered from the flu, while both Fabio Cannavaro and Francesco Totti shrugged off minor problems.
Gianluigi Buffon is set to start in goal, protected by a back four consisting of Christian Panucci, Cannavaro, Nesta and Gianluca Zambrotta.
Cristiano Zanetti and Simone Perrotta should start in the midfield, with Mauro Camoranesi, Totti and Marco Delvecchio all aiding lone striker Christian Vieri.
The national side are desperate for maximum points after a sluggish start to their European Championship campaign.
So far they have collected just four points from three games after a home draw against Yugoslavia and a demoralising 2-1 defeat in Wales.
Italy probable: Buffon; Panucci, Nesta, Cannavaro, Zambrotta; Zanetti, Perrotta; Camoranesi, Totti, Delvecchio; Vieri
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Imo the lineup looks about as good as one could expect it to look with the squad that was called up, but personally I would rather see Tacchinardi and Ambrosini behind the three supportive midfielders.
Best Formation :strong::thumb:
---------------------- Buffon--------------------------
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Panucci------Cannavaro------Nesta----Zambo--
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----------Pirlo-------------------Tacchi---------------
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Camoranesi-------Del Piero---------Totti---------
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------------------------Vieri----------------------------
---------------------- Buffon--------------------------
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Panucci------Cannavaro------Nesta----Zambo--
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----------Pirlo-------------------Tacchi---------------
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Camoranesi-------Del Piero---------Totti---------
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------------------------Vieri----------------------------
That's true...
If we loose this match, Crap is saked, a new coach arrive and he make it to quilify it will be a perfect solution... but it's so riscky! Loosing (or even drawing) tomorrow ouers situation will not depend anymore just on us but also in the hope of others team doing bad.
So we probably have to cear 4 a coach we hate :fero: but when I think at Euro 2004 with Trapattoni I get crazy! What is the meanig of having your Nation in the Euro if than you will be aschame of it like in the last WC?
If we loose this match, Crap is saked, a new coach arrive and he make it to quilify it will be a perfect solution... but it's so riscky! Loosing (or even drawing) tomorrow ouers situation will not depend anymore just on us but also in the hope of others team doing bad.
So we probably have to cear 4 a coach we hate :fero: but when I think at Euro 2004 with Trapattoni I get crazy! What is the meanig of having your Nation in the Euro if than you will be aschame of it like in the last WC?
I know we are all unhappy with Trap and with good reason but lets be honest which Italian manager will go there and not do the same thing
I am not talking about qualifiers, I am talking about when they get to the tournament itself, look at Lippi, whenever a big game comes along he changes formation to counter the opposition in short he becomes defensive
The same with Capello , anyway he is defensive no matter the opposition, Ranieri will put wingers in his team and tell them to defend, Del Neri has a chievo team which is high on pace but low on technique and he is excalty the same as Sacchi where fitness is everything and ability counts for little
Cosmi, who knows if he gets a big job if he too will not become more cautious
No the problem is not just Trapatoni, its the fear factor of losing which I am not sure, Italy can overcome
Before he got the job everyone was saying he was born to do it, his qualifying was alright up until he was reaching the finishing line and then it all goes pear shaped, he became overly cautious bringing on Gatusso after an hour to replace a striker, and in the wc itself he was so scared of Cruz of Ecuador , he changed tactics and that was it
Mate you are wrong, Trap has always favoured a 4-3-1-2 from all the time I can remember, at Juve it was Baggio behind Ravanelli and Vialli or Moeller behind Baggio and Vialli, at Fiorentina , it was Costa behing Bati and Edmundo
His first game for Italy he played Totti behing Dp and Inzaghi and in all the qualifiers he played mostly Totti behing Inzaghi and Dp or Inzaghi and Delvecchio
He probably got scared in the wc or he changed it becos it does not work with Vieri in the side
I am not talking about qualifiers, I am talking about when they get to the tournament itself, look at Lippi, whenever a big game comes along he changes formation to counter the opposition in short he becomes defensive
The same with Capello , anyway he is defensive no matter the opposition, Ranieri will put wingers in his team and tell them to defend, Del Neri has a chievo team which is high on pace but low on technique and he is excalty the same as Sacchi where fitness is everything and ability counts for little
Cosmi, who knows if he gets a big job if he too will not become more cautious
No the problem is not just Trapatoni, its the fear factor of losing which I am not sure, Italy can overcome
Before he got the job everyone was saying he was born to do it, his qualifying was alright up until he was reaching the finishing line and then it all goes pear shaped, he became overly cautious bringing on Gatusso after an hour to replace a striker, and in the wc itself he was so scared of Cruz of Ecuador , he changed tactics and that was it
Mate you are wrong, Trap has always favoured a 4-3-1-2 from all the time I can remember, at Juve it was Baggio behind Ravanelli and Vialli or Moeller behind Baggio and Vialli, at Fiorentina , it was Costa behing Bati and Edmundo
His first game for Italy he played Totti behing Dp and Inzaghi and in all the qualifiers he played mostly Totti behing Inzaghi and Dp or Inzaghi and Delvecchio
He probably got scared in the wc or he changed it becos it does not work with Vieri in the side
When I'm speaking of Trapattoni I'm doing it as the azzurri coach, cause I think we are all agree that he was succesful as a club coach (he even managed to win a scudetto with Inter 
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And in the NT he changed always moduls...
Anycase looking at the last matches the only not bad one was the one vs Portugal weare the formation looked to me more a 4-4-2 cause Del Vecchio and Camo played in the wings, I think will be the same today. Also looking at the WC, the only good match Italy did was the first one (Equador) when the played 4-4-2 also. Seeing this I think that this is the formation he prefer and so the best 4 Italy cause when he try others think he (and the players as a conseguence) get scared and play too defensily, is about the same of what is happening with Cuper in Inter.
Overall I do not think that Trap is Devil or the worst coach of the world, everybody can make mistakes, what is really worring me about him is that he never reconice his mistakes so ther's no way to improuve.
4 his opinion we wuold rock in the WC if was not 4 the refs, we wuold win easiely all the QE match if Vieri and Totti were always present and is just the press and Italy fans who are sick of him and be critics with no reasons. That's what I really could not stand of him :fero: ! To realize he did mistakes must be the first step to correct them and to change!
An other thing we may consider is that most of the "group" can not see him anymore... and Italy cannot sell the Italian players and buy some others from an other country, actually...
Also he's already an "enemy" 4 all the fans and the press.
Negative athmosphiere never helps, and Trapattoni created it inside and outside the team, indipendently of the ridicolous results they had.
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The match will be on rai1 I guess around 20-45 Italian time.
4 who is interest after the match (I think around 23-30) there will be on rai3 a special on the azzurri history. It may be a good way to improuve the evening in case the match will be boring :groan:
).And in the NT he changed always moduls...
Anycase looking at the last matches the only not bad one was the one vs Portugal weare the formation looked to me more a 4-4-2 cause Del Vecchio and Camo played in the wings, I think will be the same today. Also looking at the WC, the only good match Italy did was the first one (Equador) when the played 4-4-2 also. Seeing this I think that this is the formation he prefer and so the best 4 Italy cause when he try others think he (and the players as a conseguence) get scared and play too defensily, is about the same of what is happening with Cuper in Inter.
Overall I do not think that Trap is Devil or the worst coach of the world, everybody can make mistakes, what is really worring me about him is that he never reconice his mistakes so ther's no way to improuve.
4 his opinion we wuold rock in the WC if was not 4 the refs, we wuold win easiely all the QE match if Vieri and Totti were always present and is just the press and Italy fans who are sick of him and be critics with no reasons. That's what I really could not stand of him :fero: ! To realize he did mistakes must be the first step to correct them and to change!
An other thing we may consider is that most of the "group" can not see him anymore... and Italy cannot sell the Italian players and buy some others from an other country, actually...
Also he's already an "enemy" 4 all the fans and the press.
Negative athmosphiere never helps, and Trapattoni created it inside and outside the team, indipendently of the ridicolous results they had.
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The match will be on rai1 I guess around 20-45 Italian time.
4 who is interest after the match (I think around 23-30) there will be on rai3 a special on the azzurri history. It may be a good way to improuve the evening in case the match will be boring :groan:
mate, the 4-4-2 has been successful on a few occasions, but imo Totti is more effective behind the strikers than he is when playing as one, and having Del Piero on the bench (in a 4-4-2 Trap will play Vieri and Totti upfront) just doesn't make any sense to me.
Right now Trap is experimenting with the 4-2-3-1 formation in which he can play Totti, DP and Vieri all at the same time, and I think this Azzurri team should be built around these three players as their nucleous .. Possibly Trap is thinking the same way.
Right now Trap is experimenting with the 4-2-3-1 formation in which he can play Totti, DP and Vieri all at the same time, and I think this Azzurri team should be built around these three players as their nucleous .. Possibly Trap is thinking the same way.