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JuveJay

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His English is actually quite good. He just hasn't practiced speaking it much.

Unless he's just reading a text someone translated for him. :D
That's all it is, like some actor reading a constructed alien language in a movie :D

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@zizinho @Zacheryah

On topic, this is Mourinho's first Chelsea team:

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zizinho

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That's all it is, like some actor reading a constructed alien language in a movie :D

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On topic, this is Mourinho's first Chelsea team:

new_chelsea_drogba_lampard_terry_cole.jpg
thats exactly how i remember it, but i saw him play with 2 strikers in CL sometimes too

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When you play Robben and Duff together with a CF it will be seen as a 4-3-3, but who cares about starting positions on the field. Lampard was very advanced but also Makelele sat back, the other CM between the pair.
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Lampard played more advanced, it was still seen as a 433. Pogba plays more advanced for us than Marchisio or Khedira, Dybala sometimes very deep too, and no one calls our formation 3412 or 3421.



i never heard anyone call that formation a 451, its always a 433. our formation vs Bayern can be called a 451 because we played AS and Cuads who are essentially wingbacks for us on the wings, so it was a more defensive formation than the usual 433
 

Zacheryah

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That's all it is, like some actor reading a constructed alien language in a movie :D

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@zizinho @Zacheryah

On topic, this is Mourinho's first Chelsea team:

new_chelsea_drogba_lampard_terry_cole.jpg
Yes, thats a classic 4-2-3-1 because Both wingers play too deep for it to be a 4-3-3 but play higher then wide mids in a pure 4-5-1.

Cuadrado, Alves,..., fancy wingbacks : 4-5-1
Robben, Ribery, Duff, actually eto'o and duff, fancy creative mids that arent scorers :4-2-3-1 (ma fav)
neymar, ronaldo, bale... support strikers that start wider and cut inside, but are playing as actual forwards : 4-3-3

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thats exactly how i remember it, but i saw him play with 2 strikers in CL sometimes too

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Lampard played more advanced, it was still seen as a 433. Pogba plays more advanced for us than Marchisio or Khedira, Dybala sometimes very deep too, and no one calls our formation 3412 or 3421.



i never heard anyone call that formation a 451, its always a 433. our formation vs Bayern can be called a 451 because we played AS and Cuads who are essentially wingbacks for us on the wings, so it was a more defensive formation than the usual 433
Lampard played out and out CAM. Pogba moves in that position when we are containing the opponent, but in any other part of the game is a CM.
 

zizinho

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Yes, thats a classic 4-2-3-1 because Both wingers play too deep for it to be a 4-3-3 but play higher then wide mids in a pure 4-5-1.

Cuadrado, Alves,..., fancy wingbacks : 4-5-1
Robben, Ribery, Duff, actually eto'o and duff, fancy creative mids that arent scorers :4-2-3-1 (ma fav)
neymar, ronaldo, bale... support strikers that start wider and cut inside, but are playing as actual forwards : 4-3-3
that all is unimportant, you can play different formation with all these players. Mourinho played 4231 with Ronaldo and Ancelotti continued the 4231 (at 1st) with Ronaldo AND Bale
Brazil played 4231 with Neymar, Fiorentina played 433 with Cuadrado etc



Lampard played out and out CAM. Pogba moves in that position when we are containing the opponent, but in any other part of the game is a CM.
when they played 4231 (very rarely) and 4312 (also very rarely), yes
 

Zacheryah

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that all is unimportant, you can play different formation with all these players. Mourinho played 4231 with Ronaldo and Ancelotti continued the 4231 (at 1st) with Ronaldo AND Bale
Brazil played 4231 with Neymar, Fiorentina played 433 with Cuadrado etc





when they played 4231 (very rarely) and 4312 (also very rarely), yes
With several players you can, tho they got their ideal position


Playing Neymar deeper caused it easyer for the opponent to shut him down cause he doesnt have that freightening passing ability cam's like Totti, Zidane or even Sneijder had.

Ronaldo's ideal position for me remains left winger in a 4231. But he'll move around ALOT and move into striker position cause of his timing and speed. unqiue player.
Bale can play all the way from RWB to RW, or central roles, or the other side. THo i prefer him to also play in a 4231.

Madrid currently uses 433 and their balance is shitty.

Cuadrado in a 4-3-3, and why didnt we keep doing that ? Cause he doesnt have the output of a forward and is far, FAR more beneficial to the team as RWB/RWM


We can play 4-3-3 with Dybala-mandzukic-cuadrado. And it will be shit cause players not played like they should


If anything, France pointed out how playing worldclass players in the wrong position with the instructions for that position that arent bringing out their best skills, only gives tears and regrets
 

Pablo

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Right, may aswel start to get excited about the new season....even though we have not actually signed anyone yet!!

Witsel, Mata, koulibaly, Ziyach and Begovic all coming in...hopefully!!!
Just Stones out, we may do better than 11th!!!!
 

Pablo

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Juve should buy Ziyech, he is an AM and was top 5 Eredivise players last year. Twente is near to bankrupt so his price is only around 7m. On loan to Sass and he will be suprisely good :D

This kid could be something very very special in the close future.

I think I would rather get him than Mata, but Mata would be nice also.:lol:

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But you ain't got the stones to do it :p
£53 million to Man City!!!!!!!!!!:lol:
 

napoleonic

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I have a bad feeling with pep, if he succeed in implementing his tiki taka at city, it will likely revive the epl in europe by forcing epl teams to get better at tactics and defending, the only counter to pep tiki taka.
 
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