Possible Ranieri replacements? (21 Viewers)
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Claudio Ranieri has been vilified in the Italian Press this morning and many believe Tuesday’s Real Madrid match could end his Juventus career.
[/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]The tactician was already under fire following some poor performances and results this term, but the 2-1 defeat at Napoli – their second Serie A loss on the trot – opened the floodgates.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“Indefensible!” slammed the Tuttosport front page, while La Stampa proclaims “Ranieri gets it all wrong as Juve plunge into crisis. Real the Last Chance Saloon for the tactician.”
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]A group of fans came to the airport in Turin deep into the night to 'welcome’ back the squad with a protest march.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]The biggest mistake Tinker Man made was to substitute Alessandro Del Piero with full-back Paolo De Ceglie when the scoreline was still 1-1.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Ranieri later confessed he was playing for the draw at that stage, having taken the lead through Amauri’s volley, but it backfired as Ezequiel Lavezzi snatched victory.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“The Coach did not get the starting XI wrong, as between injuries and bans, that was practically impossible,” wrote Roberto Beccantini in La Stampa newspaper.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“It’s the old problem: the changes. Why De Ceglie and not immediately Sebastian Giovinco in place of Del Piero?
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“Edy Reja’s team took that as a sign of fear. Napoli are top of the table, maybe not for long, but certainly not as a fluke.”
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]However, Ranieri is not the only one under fire, as Juventus are thought to have made fatal mistakes in the summer transfer market.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“The remains of the Old Guard – Del Piero and Pavel Nedved – have entered the final football stages of their careers.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“Without doubt the 'Little Old Lady’ clarified in public the responsibilities, tasks and strategies. They probably need the Da Vinci Code to get out of this one. The trouble is that not even a super Amauri strike is enough.”
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]The situation is dire for Ranieri and Juventus, as over the next seven days he’ll face Real Madrid in the Champions League and the Turin derby in Serie A.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“As bad things always come in threes, here come Real and Toro,” added Beccantini. “The Spaniards won their derby with Atletico Madrid and therefore will come to Turin brimming with confidence.”
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Turin-based newspaper Tuttosport has been particularly vociferous in its attacks on Ranieri, but this weekend opted to spread the blame to the club.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“Indefensible” was the headline splashed across photographs of the Coach and Juve’s general manager Jean-Claude Blanc.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“Blanc continues to attempt working as both general manager and director general, two important tasks that cannot be performed by the same man.”
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]The fact remains that Ranieri is hanging by a thread and a former glory is ready to step in. While Antonio Conte is the candidate to take over next season, he cannot do so now because he is in charge of Serie B side Bari.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]The most likely stopgap measure would be ex-Juve defender Ciro Ferrara, who has already worked with the club’s youth team and is currently an assistant manager to Italy boss Marcello Lippi.
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[/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]The tactician was already under fire following some poor performances and results this term, but the 2-1 defeat at Napoli – their second Serie A loss on the trot – opened the floodgates.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“Indefensible!” slammed the Tuttosport front page, while La Stampa proclaims “Ranieri gets it all wrong as Juve plunge into crisis. Real the Last Chance Saloon for the tactician.”
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]A group of fans came to the airport in Turin deep into the night to 'welcome’ back the squad with a protest march.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]The biggest mistake Tinker Man made was to substitute Alessandro Del Piero with full-back Paolo De Ceglie when the scoreline was still 1-1.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Ranieri later confessed he was playing for the draw at that stage, having taken the lead through Amauri’s volley, but it backfired as Ezequiel Lavezzi snatched victory.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“The Coach did not get the starting XI wrong, as between injuries and bans, that was practically impossible,” wrote Roberto Beccantini in La Stampa newspaper.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“It’s the old problem: the changes. Why De Ceglie and not immediately Sebastian Giovinco in place of Del Piero?
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“Edy Reja’s team took that as a sign of fear. Napoli are top of the table, maybe not for long, but certainly not as a fluke.”
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]However, Ranieri is not the only one under fire, as Juventus are thought to have made fatal mistakes in the summer transfer market.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“The remains of the Old Guard – Del Piero and Pavel Nedved – have entered the final football stages of their careers.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“Without doubt the 'Little Old Lady’ clarified in public the responsibilities, tasks and strategies. They probably need the Da Vinci Code to get out of this one. The trouble is that not even a super Amauri strike is enough.”
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]The situation is dire for Ranieri and Juventus, as over the next seven days he’ll face Real Madrid in the Champions League and the Turin derby in Serie A.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“As bad things always come in threes, here come Real and Toro,” added Beccantini. “The Spaniards won their derby with Atletico Madrid and therefore will come to Turin brimming with confidence.”
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Turin-based newspaper Tuttosport has been particularly vociferous in its attacks on Ranieri, but this weekend opted to spread the blame to the club.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“Indefensible” was the headline splashed across photographs of the Coach and Juve’s general manager Jean-Claude Blanc.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]“Blanc continues to attempt working as both general manager and director general, two important tasks that cannot be performed by the same man.”
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]The fact remains that Ranieri is hanging by a thread and a former glory is ready to step in. While Antonio Conte is the candidate to take over next season, he cannot do so now because he is in charge of Serie B side Bari.
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]The most likely stopgap measure would be ex-Juve defender Ciro Ferrara, who has already worked with the club’s youth team and is currently an assistant manager to Italy boss Marcello Lippi.
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I am assuming the 2 you are referring to is last year and the current season right?
1 - What did you expect from last season? That we would win the Scudetto our 1st year back from Serie B? the objective was reaching CL, which we managed comfortably
2 - this season is only 7 games old, but yes there is a definite concern with the team performances/results...take into coinsideration the massive injury crisis, playing in 2 tough competitions and a dodgy manager
1 - What did you expect from last season? That we would win the Scudetto our 1st year back from Serie B? the objective was reaching CL, which we managed comfortably
2 - this season is only 7 games old, but yes there is a definite concern with the team performances/results...take into coinsideration the massive injury crisis, playing in 2 tough competitions and a dodgy manager
Yes, it doesn't mean and we have no warranty, but we have a chance with them and don't have even a chance with Ranieri to win something, it's so obvious. So we should try right now to appoint not very experienced, but prospective coach than waiting for big coach during couple of seasons on 7th place or even worse
So you prefer coach which says that we will lose and then we are really losing???
I don't want any of them who says this or that. words are the least problem. The main problem is his decisions which are ridiculous and he's stubborn it seems he couldn't learn anything among all his career and he continues this way
So you prefer coach which says that we will lose and then we are really losing???
I don't want any of them who says this or that. words are the least problem. The main problem is his decisions which are ridiculous and he's stubborn it seems he couldn't learn anything among all his career and he continues this way
Not lose, but he often says that we are defending 0-0 or 1-1 and make defensive subs with Cagliari, Napoli and such rubbish teams and after the match he is always satisfied that we got a point and he saw a lot of positive things. When the game was boring and without even an attack or two. I don't thinks these are appropriate aims and words for Juventus manager
Well, I see all chances with coach which is not as coward and loser as Ranieri is
and when team is injured team should have at least an average defender as a sub and not a clown like Knezevic which was bought by the same guy, Ranieri.
It's not only tactical problems he has also a huge mental problems, which are not less dangerous.
I personally prefer to have a chance with young coach, than to lose match after match with terrible play, without any chance and any hope.
Well, I see all chances with coach which is not as coward and loser as Ranieri is
and when team is injured team should have at least an average defender as a sub and not a clown like Knezevic which was bought by the same guy, Ranieri.It's not only tactical problems he has also a huge mental problems, which are not less dangerous.
I personally prefer to have a chance with young coach, than to lose match after match with terrible play, without any chance and any hope.
I think there is a problem in Ranieri tactic and coaching method...every players he bought for Juve all failed:
1. Criscito..play well for Genoa (Serie A and B, Italy U-21) but failed under Ranieri..even Ancelotti and Maldini said Criscito is Italian def in the future
2. Tiago, he success in Lyon and Chelsea, both clubs being a league winner when he played for them, also has good goal scoring method for them (>6goals) but failed under Ranieri
3. Almiron..he played well to bring Empoli to mid table in 06/07 and we bought him..season later Empoli relegated without him (his position replace by Marchisio)
4. Grygera, he also always plays great for Czech but become average when he played for us
5. Poulsen, played well for Sevilla and bring them in to top table in La Liga and integral part for Danish national team..but not shown his full potential until now
6. Brazzo, not a bad palayer when he played for Muenchen. become first team choice for them before Sagnol came but for us he palyed worse
Actually i don;t like the player we sign either.. but i see that those players might be plays worse because Ranieri tactics..Ranieri must be replaced!!
1. Criscito..play well for Genoa (Serie A and B, Italy U-21) but failed under Ranieri..even Ancelotti and Maldini said Criscito is Italian def in the future
2. Tiago, he success in Lyon and Chelsea, both clubs being a league winner when he played for them, also has good goal scoring method for them (>6goals) but failed under Ranieri
3. Almiron..he played well to bring Empoli to mid table in 06/07 and we bought him..season later Empoli relegated without him (his position replace by Marchisio)
4. Grygera, he also always plays great for Czech but become average when he played for us
5. Poulsen, played well for Sevilla and bring them in to top table in La Liga and integral part for Danish national team..but not shown his full potential until now
6. Brazzo, not a bad palayer when he played for Muenchen. become first team choice for them before Sagnol came but for us he palyed worse
Actually i don;t like the player we sign either.. but i see that those players might be plays worse because Ranieri tactics..Ranieri must be replaced!!
Agreed Mate , apart from our Back line department , we have pretty strong players in every position , even our Attacking department once has been labeled as one of the best attacking in Europe based on their reputation . Sack this clown is a must , next step we have to find another tactician who has a general coaching abilities , charisma , man to man approach , and can optimize every single player who have almost labeled with "floop" under Ranieri . that moron definitely our worst coach ever with his clueless tactic and comment in media . don't say he was succeed in his first year with us , took us to 3rd last year , with last year squad and our born to be a winner DNA, even Gasperini or Eduardo Reza could bring us to that position , FFS , we are JUVENTUS .
@ Cimenk
that is bullshit what you are saying.
I think that our BOD's, no matter we liked them or not, know well what they have to do at the end of the season..I dont think we should change CR now, unless we get Mancini or someone at same or better caliber.. DD is fucking shit, and it would be worse than with CR.
CR has to be replaced, but with proven winner, not with someone who is just lauder than others. We can not afford to make mistake with another coach. I think nothing going to save him now, as miracles not happening nowadays..
However it is not only his fault. Our "zemo" Knezevic was pretty poor when we needed him most and goals we conceded were defensive faults..Not tacticians. We had 14 fit players, and that is pretty bad..
CR made big mistake by being happy to play for the draw..That is not fucking wining mentality, but just opposite.
I would rather loose game, but push forward and try to win..Maybe if we played in CL, but this was Napoli..
This way, if anyone, he fucked himself and he might never get job for top club again. ..
that is bullshit what you are saying.
I think that our BOD's, no matter we liked them or not, know well what they have to do at the end of the season..I dont think we should change CR now, unless we get Mancini or someone at same or better caliber.. DD is fucking shit, and it would be worse than with CR.
CR has to be replaced, but with proven winner, not with someone who is just lauder than others. We can not afford to make mistake with another coach. I think nothing going to save him now, as miracles not happening nowadays..
However it is not only his fault. Our "zemo" Knezevic was pretty poor when we needed him most and goals we conceded were defensive faults..Not tacticians. We had 14 fit players, and that is pretty bad..
CR made big mistake by being happy to play for the draw..That is not fucking wining mentality, but just opposite.
I would rather loose game, but push forward and try to win..Maybe if we played in CL, but this was Napoli..
This way, if anyone, he fucked himself and he might never get job for top club again. ..
You are right on that one also
Problem is much deeper than the way you think. We have 2 days to prepare for even bigger match and with all players injured, no one would know how to prepare available payers and not to loose with 3 or 4 goals difference.
As i said earlier it is not only his fault, but we can sack CR and not players who don't do well or who are injured.
Alex is far from performance where he was last year, Nedved is showing his age, we played with half injured Poulsen, and Marchisio who is doing his really best but nowhere near status of mighty Juve, and I will not even mention our swiss cheese defense and numerous silly mistakes by them..
CR has to go, and will , but our players has to step up big time..
Someone mentioned that it could be CR;s fault that players are more injured in trainings and putting maybe blame on CR. That is bit silly to say, as same players haven't been injured last season so how come..
Problem is much deeper than the way you think. We have 2 days to prepare for even bigger match and with all players injured, no one would know how to prepare available payers and not to loose with 3 or 4 goals difference.
As i said earlier it is not only his fault, but we can sack CR and not players who don't do well or who are injured.
Alex is far from performance where he was last year, Nedved is showing his age, we played with half injured Poulsen, and Marchisio who is doing his really best but nowhere near status of mighty Juve, and I will not even mention our swiss cheese defense and numerous silly mistakes by them..
CR has to go, and will , but our players has to step up big time..
Someone mentioned that it could be CR;s fault that players are more injured in trainings and putting maybe blame on CR. That is bit silly to say, as same players haven't been injured last season so how come..
