Pope in some trouble......... (5 Viewers)

Elnur_E65

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Pope's Condition in Hospital Is Called Stable After Health Scare
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/03/international/europe/03pope.html?th

ROME, Feb. 2 - Pope John Paul II was stable and working from his hospital bed on Wednesday, the Vatican said, after a scare that again raised questions about his failing health and the succession of leadership in the Roman Catholic Church.

The pope entered an Italian hospital on Tuesday night suffering from what is presumed to be influenza, which can pose a serious threat to people with Parkinson's disease. That progressive brain disorder has plagued him for more than a decade. While the Vatican said his breathing problems had stabilized with treatment during the night, he remained in the hospital

Some respiratory experts predicted that it would be difficult for John Paul, who is 84, to ever fully regain his already frail health.

"If the bulletins today are honest and not diplomatic, he will recover, and this diagnosis is not harmful to his life," said Dr. Luigi Allegra, head of the cardiopulmonary department at Polyclinic Hospital in Milan. "But this is a further insult to a body that is already ill, and I am afraid that the outcome will not be perfect, and he will not recover to his previous condition."

The Vatican said Wednesday that the pope's breathing difficulties had been diagnosed as stemming from "acute laryngeal tracheitis," an inflammation of the breathing tubes that lead from the mouth to the lungs.

This common condition normally produces coughing spasms, hoarseness and fever, and it can also lead to shortness of breath in more severe cases, especially if the patient is weak. It can be caused by a number of viruses, including influenza.

But breathing difficulties of this sort can be extremely serious - even life threatening - in people with advanced Parkinson's disease, in part because their chest muscles that control breathing and coughing function poorly.

The pope was taken by ambulance from the Vatican to the Gemelli Polyclinic here late Tuesday night, in what his spokesman characterized as a "mainly precautionary" admission for "breathing difficulty." From Tuesday night into the early hours of Wednesday morning, he received "respiratory assistance therapies," which stabilized his condition, the Vatican said, and he was afterward able to sleep for "some hours."

He had "just a little fever," said his spokesman, Joaquín Navarro-Valls. The pope has been sick for several days.

Although the Vatican did not mention what treatments he had received, common treatments would include low doses of supplemental oxygen, and medicines or respiratory therapy to loosen the mucus in the airways. Therapy would probably include nebulizers.

People with Parkinson's disease may have slow reflexes and difficulty walking that limits their mobility. They may also have difficulty exhaling, in part because of weakness of their breathing muscles in the chest and because of an inability to "put their muscle movements together like other people," said Dr. Robert J. Joynt, a neurologist and former vice provost for health affairs at the University of Rochester.

On Wednesday afternoon, the Vatican reported that the pope had appointed two bishops from his hospital bed, suggesting a steady improvement in his condition.

"The pope is the pope," Dr. Allegra said. "He has been through a lot. We are used to miracles from him."
 

Dragon

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So am I a punk because Im catholic and believe in the Pope?

by believing I mean recognizing him and his authority, not that Ive seen him in videos and photos


I want to switch to the orthodox religion
 
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    ++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++
    So am I a punk because Im catholic and believe in the Pope?

    by believing I mean recognizing him and his authority, not that Ive seen him in videos and photos


    I want to switch to the orthodox religion
    Ummmm, yep. Andy and I went to a Catholic school, and I hate Catholics.
     

    Dragon

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    ++ [ originally posted by Bürke ] ++


    Ummmm, yep. Andy and I went to a Catholic school, and I hate Catholics.
    I went to a catholic school as well and Ive dealt with aprox. more than 100 nuns in my whole life.

    I feel offended for being called a punk - if you hate catholicism and catholics then thats your opinion and your feelings but dont go around insulting us!!!!
     

    The Pado

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    After eating 14 pounds of Taco Bell burritos, Reverend Thomas, head of the Chuch of the Higher Calling, felt a little stomach discomfort, retired to his bathroom and took an hour-long Burke.
     
    OP
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    ++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++


    I went to a catholic school as well and Ive dealt with aprox. more than 100 nuns in my whole life.

    I feel offended for being called a punk - if you hate catholicism and catholics then thats your opinion and your feelings but dont go around insulting us!!!!

    OHH LIGHTEN UP! Punk, you are offended at the word punk?

    What if I called you a cock face whore? I'm not, but what would you do if I did?
     
    OP
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    ++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
    After eating 14 pounds of Taco Bell burritos, Reverend Thomas, head of the Chuch of the Higher Calling, felt a little stomach discomfort, retired to his bathroom and took an hour-long Burke.

    :LOL:

    You need to look up the word Burke in the dictionary and see what it says, seriously, it is a word.
     

    gray

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    ++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++
    by believing I mean recognizing him and his authority, not that Ive seen him in videos and photos
    I knew what the question was asking, but I was just having a go at the ambiguity of the question. What authority exactly does the Pope have? Are you talking about authority over the Catholic church, or some kind of "power", so to speak?

    btw Protestants don't recognise the Pope's authority in any way
     

    Dragon

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    ++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

    I knew what the question was asking, but I was just having a go at the ambiguity of the question. What authority exactly does the Pope have? Are you talking about authority over the Catholic church, or some kind of "power", so to speak?

    btw Protestants don't recognise the Pope's authority in any way
    Oh give me a break Graham. You know I was talking about authority over the catholic church. Ill try to express myself better next time
     

    Dragon

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    ++ [ originally posted by Bürke ] ++



    OHH LIGHTEN UP! Punk, you are offended at the word punk?

    What if I called you a cock face whore? I'm not, but what would you do if I did?
    Im not offended of you calling me the word punk, Im offended of the generalisation you made by calling all catholics punks

    If you called me a cock face whore Id be offended but theres nothing I can do, its your opinion
     
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    ++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++


    Im not offended of you calling me the word punk, Im offended of the generalisation you made by calling all catholics punks

    If you called me a cock face whore Id be offended but theres nothing I can do, its your opinion
    Look, I don't like the Catholics because of their views on sex, abortion, the Pope, and the Catholic church also has a lot to answer for during WWII.

    Also, did you know that over the last 10 years, the Catholic church has spent over 600 Million USD on settleing sexual assault cases outside of court?

    (That statistic is from Business American Magazine)
     

    peckface

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    You don't like anything because of their view of everything.

    Its hard reading your serious posts. When I was reading I was looking for that one sarcastic joke that everyone get so upset about. :undecide: Didn't find it so... good job.
     
    OP
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    ++ [ originally posted by pecker ] ++
    You don't like anything because of their view of everything.

    Its hard reading your serious posts. When I was reading I was looking for that one sarcastic joke that everyone get so upset about. :undecide: Didn't find it so... good job.
    You contradict youself, if I do not like anything, then how does nothing have any views at all?

    Thankyou I guess for the latter part of the post.
     

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