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    ßöмßäяðîëя;1619203 said:
    No, serious, support the troops.

    They can't hire rapists, maybe those convicted of statutory rape. But the army cannot hire or employ soldiers convicted of felonies. I did hear about their employment of several criminals, but they got write-offs for their blue-collar crimes.


    Don't give me this DON'T SUPPORT THE TROOPS shit, I have 5 very close friends from college that are either over there or have been over there, so you can take that shit and stuff it right up your ass.
    No, there actually are felons being hired. I just saw it on NBC news.

    I don't have any family in the military, but I understand where you're coming from.

    Still, I find this support the troops thing annoying. I don't support them being in Iraq and I certainly don't support the criminals raping women in Iraq.
     
    Apr 12, 2004
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    No, there actually are felons being hired. I just saw it on NBC news.

    I don't have any family in the military, but I understand where you're coming from.

    Still, I find this support the troops thing annoying. I don't support them being in Iraq and I certainly don't support the criminals raping women in Iraq.
    Ohh, I know there are felons being hired, but I don't think they are felons convicted of felonies. (vs misdemeanors)

    Ohh, and I don't support the Iraq War or "criminal raping of indigenous personnel."

    But I support the troops because a lot of them hate being there or even the war itself, but they are doing their jobs, they were commanded to do what they are doing and they have no choice in the matter.

    ...and if they do refuse, they get a dishonorable discharge, and I know what that can do to you the rest of your life.

    But yea, no worries....just a friendly rivalry.
     

    Osman

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    I actually saw some little docu of how criminal gangs in the US are mass signing up for the army so their members get military training, a training they can use to wreck havoc when they muck out from the military. Plus it also depicted the bizzare unit in the unit mentality that grew due to the gangs presence (that they are one of the "eager and excited" of recruits, due the set goal they have...), and of officers knowing about them but not doing shit, or higher ups more specifically, because they need more anal cannon fodder (they are WILLING to accept them despite how severe criminals they are).

    But shit like this isnt nearly as dark as mercenary corps like Blackwater, atleast the army is noble in essence despite how much its abused. But these fuckers...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_USA
     
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    I actually saw some little docu of how criminal gangs in the US are mass signing up for the army so their members get military training, a training they can use to wreck havoc when they muck out from the military. Plus it also depicted the bizzare unit in the unit mentality that grew due to the gangs presence (that they are one of the "eager and excited" of recruits, due the set goal they have...), and of officers knowing about them but not doing shit, or higher ups more specifically, because they need more anal cannon fodder (they are WILLING to accept them despite how severe criminals they are).

    But shit like this isnt nearly as dark as mercenary corps like Blackwater, atleast the army is noble in essence despite how much its abused. But these fuckers...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwater_USA
    Most disgusting and shady firm I've ever heard about. I saw some footage on YouTube with Blackwater killing innocent hostages, and it's also known that they have hostages at their own training complex in North Carolina for them to do whatever they'd like with them. The government doesn't care either. Bunch of scumbags.
     
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    I can't believe those fuckers were patrolling the streets of New Orleans after Katrina hit. A bunch of mercenaries driving around with automatic weapons targeting poor blacks, approved by Bush. Some things are just incredible with this disgusting government.
     

    Osman

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    Ahhh didnt you know about that? Well no shit, the heinous acts of this billionnaire dollar military company (its symbiotic client being the US govt) is so hush hush for a big reason. Its doing the dirty job for those who run your country, and the world. They protect your frigging embassy in Iraq, your armed forces arent, but these fucking mercs. You are severely dependant on them, something between 40 to 100 thousand of them are working in Iraq.

    That would be fine and dandy, they are just doing a job....but heres the kicker...they dont have ANYONE to answer to for the heinous acts and murders they committ. Nothing close to check and balances that regular armies and such official entities have. They just do whatever they like, and cant face any shit aslong as their biggiest client who is addicted to their service, is the one who runs the world and can shush any criticism (Iraqi govt is screaming to kick them out, the Un is, the EU is, but NOTHING happens).

    In the fall of 2007, a congressional report by the House Oversight Committee found that Blackwater intentionally "delayed and impeded" investigations into the contractors' deaths.


    " Between 2005 and September 2007, Blackwater security staff was involved in 195 shooting incidents; in 163 of those cases, Blackwater personnel fired first.
     
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    I knew about those clowns fucking around down there in New Orleans. And yeah, the great thing about Blackwater is that they don't need to worry about war crimes. We just send them in to exterminate whomever we like.

    Funny that the owner of the firm is a "devote" Christian. I hope that he gets a devote bullet lodged in his chest. I mean, this is Christian terrorism at it's finest yet again.
     

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    http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080421/NEWS07/80421061/0/NEWS05

    Strangely enough, they let in people convicted of manslaughter as well.

    And I also want the troops where they should be... home and alive.
    The article doesn't really elaborate on the sex crime and manslaughter cases other than to say that one was a marine that had sex with an underage girl. As for the robbers and other light offenders, the military can be a great place for those guys to turn their lives around. The military offers discipline, family, support, health care, etc for a lot of people who wouldn't otherwise receive those things. It's not at all like the military is pulling pedophiles murderers out of jails and putting rifles in their hands.
     

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    Ahhh didnt you know about that? Well no shit, the heinous acts of this billionnaire dollar military company (its symbiotic client being the US govt) is so hush hush for a big reason. Its doing the dirty job for those who run your country, and the world. They protect your frigging embassy in Iraq, your armed forces arent, but these fucking mercs. You are severely dependant on them, something between 40 to 100 thousand of them are working in Iraq.

    That would be fine and dandy, they are just doing a job....but heres the kicker...they dont have ANYONE to answer to for the heinous acts and murders they committ. Nothing close to check and balances that regular armies and such official entities have. They just do whatever they like, and cant face any shit aslong as their biggiest client who is addicted to their service, is the one who runs the world and can shush any criticism (Iraqi govt is screaming to kick them out, the Un is, the EU is, but NOTHING happens).

    In the fall of 2007, a congressional report by the House Oversight Committee found that Blackwater intentionally "delayed and impeded" investigations into the contractors' deaths.


    " Between 2005 and September 2007, Blackwater security staff was involved in 195 shooting incidents; in 163 of those cases, Blackwater personnel fired first.
    Blackwater is a disgrace. It's probably hard to believe that there are other private military firms in Iraq not doing the kind of stuff that Blackwater does.
     
    Sep 26, 2007
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    Actually not all the private military firms in Iraq and Afghanistan are dirty like Blackwater so don't be so quick to judge something you guys don't know much about.
     
    Apr 12, 2004
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    Actually not all the private military firms in Iraq and Afghanistan are dirty like Blackwater so don't be so quick to judge something you guys don't know much about.
    You're right Sarah, I should leave this area up to you and your battle-hardened Spec-Ops training, LT. I forgot you were in 'Nam.


    Sarah I bet you couldn't even spell petroleum if it wasn't in the title of the thread.

    :D
     
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    But the thing is, Sarah, most of these private [American] firms working in war torn regions are shady businesses. Not only Scumywater, but other firms in other sorts of business such as Halliburton. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the latter had it's own crew of mercenaries as well that goes around towns eliminating naysayers to their goddamn pipelines.

    The article doesn't really elaborate on the sex crime and manslaughter cases other than to say that one was a marine that had sex with an underage girl. As for the robbers and other light offenders, the military can be a great place for those guys to turn their lives around. The military offers discipline, family, support, health care, etc for a lot of people who wouldn't otherwise receive those things. It's not at all like the military is pulling pedophiles murderers out of jails and putting rifles in their hands.
    But we also know of gang members joining the military just so they can get the training to come back to the Hood and kill some niggaz. Some even join up just to kill. But you're right, some join to get their life working again which is sort of weird within itself.
     
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    ßöмßäяðîëя;1619297 said:
    You're right Sarah, I should leave this area up to you and your battle-hardened Spec-Ops training, LT. I forgot you were in 'Nam.


    Sarah I bet you couldn't even spell petroleum if it wasn't in the title of the thread.

    :D
    Yeah I'm that dumb :rolleyes:.

    I might not know from personal experience but I'm sure I know much more about it than wikipedia articles and any articles you read online. I have a very good friend who I see and talk to on a very regular basis who works over there.
     

    Osman

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    I knew about those clowns fucking around down there in New Orleans. And yeah, the great thing about Blackwater is that they don't need to worry about war crimes. We just send them in to exterminate whomever we like.

    Funny that the owner of the firm is a "devote" Christian. I hope that he gets a devote bullet lodged in his chest. I mean, this is Christian terrorism at it's finest yet again.
    The owner of the firm isnt just the posterboy for deluded christian extreme right wing, but he is frigging former KKK.

    I doubt it, but hopefully the FBI investigations and the constant congressional hearings these fuckers get interrogated on gets them caught for getting away with murder every day. But as I said, I doubt it. Aslong as you are rich and have powerful friends (You got the right connection when one was an intern for Bush sr when he was president), you can get away with murder and terrorism legally. No matter how obvious and blatant it is.


    P.S You should watch the 60minutes piece that has been done on this piece of work and his lovely abomination of a firm.
     

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